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Aloha Cargo To Shut Down Monday 29 April  
User currently onlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4507 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7686 times:

Thought I'd post a separate thread to dive deeper into this question...


If Aloha Cargo and Aloha Contract Services were the two profitable divisions of Aloha, why, then, does Aloha need to sell these services? Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part, but wouldn't it be possible for Aloha to continue to operate these two divisions until better times arrive?

I know it's a long shot, but the idea just occured to me today that if Aloha Cargo could remain successful, perhaps in the future Aloha Cargo could create a pax division and therefore restart Aloha Airlines! Better still, it'd still be a division of the original company that would run it, and so in a way we'd still have the original company around.

I'm sure that this will never happen. I know it's wishful thinking. But I'd like to know from a serious standpoint why it isn't possible for Aloha to retain ownership of its two successful divisions. Or is it more a case of the corporate heads throwing in the collective towel across all divisions?

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User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7688 times:



Quoting Aloha717200 (Thread starter):
I know it's a long shot, but the idea just occured to me today that if Aloha Cargo could remain successful, perhaps in the future Aloha Cargo could create a pax division and therefore restart Aloha Airlines! Better still, it'd still be a division of the original company that would run it, and so in a way we'd still have the original company around.

It makes sense to me but I don't know if the bankruptcy court will allow this. I don't know the laws but I think they might be forced to sell both divisions so they can pay their creditors.

If that isn't true then why not? I would love to have even a little bit of hope to have the real AQ back!


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Atleast seeing a few cargo 732s in the AQ scheme around HNL would be better than seeing none at all eh? And by the sound of things, it looks like Mesa might be the next airline to kick the can, and if Mesa goes, go! goes.

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 1):
If that isn't true then why not? I would love to have even a little bit of hope to have the real AQ back!

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User currently onlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4507 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7673 times:



Quoting UA2162 (Reply 1):
It makes sense to me but I don't know if the bankruptcy court will allow this. I don't know the laws but I think they might be forced to sell both divisions so they can pay their creditors.

Cargo is pretty profitable. Perhaps it might be enough to, albiet slowly, pay off their creditors.

I dont think it will happen simply because, the way it looks to me, is that the remaining management of the company just wants to shut it all down unless someone buys it. But if management TRULY wanted to save Aloha and bring back the pax division in the future, I really do think they could make it happen, long term, by continuing to operate Aloha Cargo and Aloha Contract Services as an independent company.


Again though it's a long shot and I think least likely to happen. But isn't the logic for it there? I wish I had $100mil right now I'd buy all of it and work towards that goal. If I ever get a business degree and in my later years financial backing I would have the goal in mind of bringing back this great airline. I'm only one person though, and I doubt I'll ever make a difference, but if I'm ever in that position, with that capability, then I most certainly will. I once wanted to restart PSA when I was younger. I feel now that an airline closer to my heart deserves a second chance. I hope someone gives it that chance.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

It won't happen unless the creditors will let it happen, and in this country, that's incredibly unlikely. As much as I'd like to see the AQ name stick around. But, maybe the buyer will keep the operation and name intact?

User currently onlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4507 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7651 times:



Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 4):
But, maybe the buyer will keep the operation and name intact?

It would be nice considering that a name like Northern Air Cargo might look a little awkward flying interisland freight. The only sad thing though would be that such a company would never have an interest in ever starting a pax division of Aloha. But at least part of the name would remain if so.


User currently offlineXJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7632 times:

Because ashes are ashes and dust is dust. Bankruptcy court either sees you as a survivor or dead! Also depends on how it was filed.

User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7625 times:



Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 3):
But if management TRULY wanted to save Aloha and bring back the pax division in the future, I really do think they could make it happen

You think if Mesa/go! kicks the can it will changes anyone mind a bit?  idea 



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User currently onlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4507 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7622 times:



Quoting XJETFlyer (Reply 6):
Because ashes are ashes and dust is dust. Bankruptcy court either sees you as a survivor or dead! Also depends on how it was filed.

Aloha filed Ch 11, and unless I missed something, isn't it Ch 7 that forces the liquidation of all the airline's assets? With Ch 11 the company can reorganize under protection. I don't think they are forced to sell. Or are they?


User currently onlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4507 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7438 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 7):
You think if Mesa/go! kicks the can it will changes anyone mind a bit?

If they do, then yes I can see a stronger case for Aloha's return. But I feel that Mesa in Hawaii is not going to go anywhere now that they say that the CR9 is on its way. JO set out to take Aloha's market share, and with AQ gone, he will attempt to do exactly that by increasing capacity. I think we'll see, unfortunately, a few more years of Go at least.

But even so, given enough time, market conditions may improve for Aloha to make a comeback. But I just don't see why Aloha Cargo must be sold if that division is profitable.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9446 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7400 times:

Unfortunatly I trashed the Flying Typers article already, but IIRC Aloha Cargo is owned by Saltchuk Enterprises of Seattle who also own Northern air Cargo. Aloha Cargo is a separate corporation and (not sure about that) was separate before AQ ceased to operate last week.

The cargo operations are and have been profitable. If someone is a Flying Typers subscriber and still has the article stored, may be he can put a link here.



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7396 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
but IIRC Aloha Cargo is owned by Saltchuk Enterprises of Seattle who also own Northern air Cargo

Saltchuk has only proposed to acquire Aloha Cargo; the transaction hasn't happened yet. I have heard there are also other interested bidders and for now Aloha Cargo is still part of Aloha Airgroup.


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 7330 times:

The employees were what made Aloha Airlines special. Now that they are gone, I don't think the same spirit could be recreated unless they were all brought back.

On the bright side, one of the local families which owned Aloha Airlines for years (The Ings) is involved in a group trying to buy Aloha AirCargo, the Contract Services as well as "certain intellectual property including the Aloha name and Logo."

That might be your best hope.

One of the Ings is a client of my dad's real estate company and called him last week asking if he wanted to invest. Its times like this that I wish we had alot of $$$$ lying around.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25549 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 7318 times:

I would be very leery of accepting statements about the true P&L of company internal divisions.

Its very difficult to clearly define what the actual standalone performance would be of such division as they are so tied to the larger operation particularly in the area of properly determining the real cost base which can be near impossible to dissect.
For instance how much of overhead, everything from admin staff support (payroll, accounts payable, sales, dispatch etc), facilities being used, maintenance parts and equipment, ramp support, all manpower, crew training to dumb things such as utility bills or internet access or uniforms are the true burdens of the cargo operation?

Also just because an accountant allocated the cost to a division does not mean that cost would be sustainable if the division is lobed off from the larger entity as in most cases it would have to purchase/hire fuel time equivalents of items whether a physical facility, staff or equipment.

Bottom line is anyone running the cargo division as a standalone operation will have very different cost base, which could significantly effects the overall P&L picture. I would suspect AQ with its facility overhead, union contracts etc, probably felts that it could not operate the cargo division profitability as a stand alone entity, hence its willingness to piecemeal sell things.



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5533 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 7318 times:



Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 8):
With Ch 11 the company can reorganize under protection. I don't think they are forced to sell. Or are they?

To oversimplify dramatically, the creditors have to be on board with the reorganization plan. I expect they want their money now, not in tiny dribs and drabs from cargo hauling profits (which may be pretty thin, anyway, if the current environment stays with us for awhile).


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 7281 times:

Life after death ala Varig LOG?


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User currently offlineUA76Heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7176 times:

Legally, the best thing to do to keep Aloha Cargo going is to sell it and set it up as its own entity. Otherwise, it will be straddled with the debt from the passenger side since it's currently part of the same company.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25549 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

Looks like the future of AQ Cargo is also up in the air now as they will run out of money by Monday since lenders are unwilling to further fund operations unless the airline settles with ALPA on staffing.

Back ground on this is that AQ furloughed out of order crew members and simply kept about 30 guys (which happened to be junior) to keep cargo ops running. ALPA went to court to challenge this and insist any remaining pilots must be based on the carriers seniority list.

Quote:
Funding is extended as pilots study new deal
April 5, 2008

Aloha Airlines' main lender agreed yesterday to fund the bankrupt company's air cargo and aviation services operations through Monday to give the Air Lines Pilots Association enough time to review a settlement offer made by Aloha late Thursday night. ALPA later countered with an offer to the company, but Aloha was declining further comment as of last night.

An ALPA source familiar with the union's offer said, "As far as we're concerned, we're done. We've just saved them millions of dollars."

"A hearing has been set for 1:30 p.m. Monday at federal Bankruptcy Court.

"Without an agreement, Aloha would run out of money and be forced to close its two remaining divisions because lender General Motors Acceptance Corp. has said it will not finance future operations without a settlement with the pilots.

The union is at odds with the company over seniority rights for flying the cargo planes, furlough pay, medical coverage and job-search expenses. Senior passenger pilots who lost their jobs when Aloha shut down its passenger operations on Monday have been trying to remain employed by bumping junior cargo pilots.

http://starbulletin.com/2008/04/05/news/story04.html

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 15):
Life after death ala Varig LOG?

I would not use that as a good example as VarigLog itself shutdown recently.



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 7059 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 14):
To oversimplify dramatically, the creditors have to be on board with the reorganization plan. I expect they want their money now, not in tiny dribs and drabs from cargo hauling profits (which may be pretty thin, anyway, if the current environment stays with us for awhile).

That's correct. The assets are now owned by the creditors with court oversight. The thoughts contained in this thread that Aloha could rise again simply isn't possible. Of course, one of the assets being sold is the corporate ID which at least in theory, would allow the buyer the use of the name for whatever purpose they choose.



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User currently onlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4507 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 6983 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 12):
On the bright side, one of the local families which owned Aloha Airlines for years (The Ings) is involved in a group trying to buy Aloha AirCargo, the Contract Services as well as "certain intellectual property including the Aloha name and Logo."

That might be your best hope.

One of the Ings is a client of my dad's real estate company and called him last week asking if he wanted to invest. Its times like this that I wish we had alot of $$$$ lying around.

-Aloha!

That's the best news I've heard to date. I suspect that they may be doing this in order to bring Aloha back. I also suspect that if they succeed, many of the original employees will be called back to work. Perhaps I'm still in denial, but I cannot fathom that Aloha will forever be gone. It just can't happen. Not with so many so loyal to the airline, and not with such a heritage. Aloha will fly again. Whether the restart happens soon or later, and whether it is anything like the original, remain to be seen. But I will tell you, friend, that if any group forms for the purpose of bringing back Aloha that could include a fundraising effort I will gladly contribute. I would give my left arm to be part of any such movement. And I'm serious. I'd fight to bring Aloha back.

Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 18):
The thoughts contained in this thread that Aloha could rise again simply isn't possible.

No doubt that it's a very remote possibility, but it's not impossible at all. Only difficult.


User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 6861 times:



Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 19):
No doubt that it's a very remote possibility, but it's not impossible at all. Only difficult.

Indeed, it would be wonderful for the over 2,000 people now out of work, unfortunately you would have to bid for it at the bankruptcy auction. And, if you don't "pay off" or arrange an equitable agreement with the creditors and probably demonstrate that you have in the neighborhood of a hundred million to front as operating capital, you won't be considered as a bidder. I'm not happy about it either, but AQ simply isn't worth it and it won't happen. You could start a new operation for far less than it would take to rescue AQ.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25549 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Things going from bad to worse with AQ Cargo. The company has yet to be able to agree with its pilots leaving things in limbo.
http://starbulletin.com/2008/04/08/news/story02.html


All this seems to have had significant operational repercussions last two days as a result. On Monday night 7 of 16 cargo flights were cancelled due "pilot illness"
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...WS09/804090429/1019/LOCALNEWSFRONT

While on Tuesday night, 2 of 4 required planes were grounded due "maintenance" issues while others blame the pilots.
http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/5417/40/



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25549 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

Pilots and company are still at it -- now union is threating a strike next week.

Quote:
Aloha Pilots File Complaint, Threaten Strike
April 19, 2008

Aloha Airlines pilots said on Friday they have filed a complaint against the airline, citing management's "total disregard" for their collective bargaining agreement, and threatened to go on strike if no agreement is reached by April 26.

The complaint, filed in US Bankruptcy Court, seeks injunctive relief against the airline.

In a statement, the pilots alleged that the airline continues to repudiate the agreement by terminating pilots out of seniority order, terminating pilots' health plan, failing to provide furlough pay and benefits, among other complaints.

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1208563724.html



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5066 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Pilots and company are still at it -- now union is threating a strike next week.

Quote:
Aloha Pilots File Complaint, Threaten Strike
April 19, 2008

Aloha Airlines pilots said on Friday they have filed a complaint against the airline, citing management's "total disregard" for their collective bargaining agreement, and threatened to go on strike if no agreement is reached by April 26.

The complaint, filed in US Bankruptcy Court, seeks injunctive relief against the airline.

In a statement, the pilots alleged that the airline continues to repudiate the agreement by terminating pilots out of seniority order, terminating pilots' health plan, failing to provide furlough pay and benefits, among other complaints.

Wow, what a mess. It sounds like the pilots just want to see the plug pulled. If they go on strike, what will they prove? Do they think they might just put Aloha out of business? This just does not sound right to me. I can understand their argument. but come on now. Should the furloughed pilots be hitting the employment lines instead of the picket lines? What will they really achieve by striking on an airline that is down on both knees right now? If they do this, they darn well know that it will certainly close all hopes of getting anything AQ has even the slightest chance of surviving in some form.

[Edited 2008-04-21 23:25:01]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25549 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

The sell off begins...

Quote:
Aloha Airlines' Cargo Operation Auction Begins

Let the bidding begin. The highly-anticipated auction of Aloha Airlines' profitable cargo operations started Monday in federal bankruptcy court in Oakland, California. At stake -- aloha's cargo unit and the future of its 300 employees.

Company officials would not comment on today's auction -- and results are not expected until Thursday.

Several companies have expressed interest in Aloha's cargo operation, which handles 85 percent of the state's air freight -- and U.S. mail to two islands. One of those companies is Seattle-based Saltchuk, which made an early offer of 13 million dollars.

Kahala Capital LLC also had its eyes on the cargo operations but company officials declined to comment.

But other potential bidders have asked the court for more time. "If one of the major bidders is requesting additional time -- I think the judge will have to weigh how much time are they talking about and how would it help to raise the amount that ultimately is gotten for the cargo services," said Governor Linda Lingle.

Monday, the U.S. Attorney filed an objection to the sale of the air cargo business.

http://www.khon2.com/home/ticker/17994264.html



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25 Aloha717200 : I hope that Saltchuk gets it purely based on what I saw on the video. They seem to care about the employees in a genuine way. I think that the company
26 Post contains links LAXintl : Cargo auction on hold till next week... http://www.kitv.com/money/15962868/detail.html In the mean time Aloha's Contract Services division appears to
27 Post contains links LAXintl : Saltchuk Resources parent company of shipper Young Bros. has dropped out of bidding for the cargo division. http://starbulletin.com/2008/04/24/news/st
28 AAH732UAL : I think that Seattle Company made a bid the other week. So looks like AQ Cargo will survive. Plus they were going to kept flying till after the bankru
29 LAXintl : From the article --- Saltchuk has withdrawn its bid on the cargo division.
30 Post contains links LAXintl : Plug is pulled tonight as bidders have walked away. http://www.kitv.com/news/16044350/detail.html
31 Max Q : Good luck to those Pilot's, hope they can get some of what is owed to them.
32 Aloha717200 : Truly a sad end. I wonder what will happen now with that 85% void in cargo traffic? With such a disruption of essential service I would imagine that t
33 AAH732UAL : Well I guess any slight chance of AQ ever coming back is now gone for good
34 Pohakuloa : Loves Bakery here on Oahu has gone to one great extreme. They have put their normal interisland shipment on a DL aircraft bound for the westcoast wher
35 UA2162 : Here's an idea - I don't even know if it's feasible. UPS and FedEx should send a few of their aircraft over here and base them out of HNL exclusively
36 AAH732UAL : No the types they have are not made for that kind of work.
37 Aloha717200 : The 727s have the same engines as the 732s. I bet they could make it work, for sure. And UPS has the 721s, those would probably be the best!
38 Rjwrench85 : So who wants to bet it wasnt just the Financing but the eminent pilots strike that made everyone walk away. Would you really want to buy a company wit
39 Multimark : Let me get this straight..the US president can and has intervened when AA just threatens a strike, but no finger will be lifted by any gov't entity to
40 Pohakuloa : thats easy because unless it is a military issue, the federal government has a tendancy to look at Hawaii as a minor outlying area at best. Most peop
41 FX1816 : UPS retired the last remaining 721's over a year ago. I don't see that happening because the "DHL" DC-9's and 727's do not belong to them but to ABX
42 BlueFlyer : So does that mean that Corporate Air and Alpine Air are working overtime now ? Asia Pacific has, by looking at the schedule only, a 727 at HNL for mos
43 Tb727 : We have a 727 enroute tonight to PHNL from OAK according to flightaware. Not sure if it has anything to do with anything going on out there. I am awa
44 IRelayer : I have NEVER heard this except from a child. Where do you live? "Most people in general" is a broad brush. Just saying. -IR
45 StuckInCA : So... this thread gets renamed weeks after it's creation and after a 10 day inactive period? Strange. Why not just let new topics start. I suppose thi
46 Pohakuloa : That would be cool!!! I am from here in Hawaii. I say this based on my experiences in the midwest even as far as TX as well as along the eastern seab
47 Pohakuloa : Flight aware has two of them listed as KFS720 and KFS720A. Both 722's...hmmmm perhaps old man Kalitta or the powers that be are reading all this bant
48 United1 : The President has the authority to stop a strike, for 60 days if I remember right, if he wanted to however he can't stop a company from simply shutti
49 Ha763 : Those 727Fs are likely for Pacific Air Cargo. It looks like Pacific Air Cargo is going to be running flights interisland now. Found out that the stack
50 Egcarter : Yup. I started a new thread on the closure of Aloha Cargo right after the newsflash came out and it was deleted Monday evening saying there was alrea
51 Egcarter : Corporate Air took over from Aloha for the US Mail business.
52 Tb727 : It's only 1 plane. N720CK, has the long range tanks installed. It's the same one that was there a couple years back for AQ. If this goes on for a whi
53 Pohakuloa : Mahalo Tb727!!
54 Aloha717200 : And I linked my thread to your thread and said that this one was closed. The moderators emailed me and said that they were consolidating the discussi
55 Tb727 : He mea iki! lol
56 UPS757 : UPS already flies to some outer islands besides HNL HNL-KOA-ONT - 767 or MD11 used to be a 747 HNL:OGG-SAN - 767
57 Aloha717200 : Right, but this isn't mainly about mainland-hawaii routes, this is mainly about interisland cargo.
58 Post contains links Moderators : A week can be a long time. Please continue the duscussion at CONFIRMED: Aloha Cargo Coming Back Thank you.
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