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Legacies Holding On To Their Maiden Flight Routes  
User currently offlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 292 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

In times of trouble and high oil prices you hold on to what you know how to do best. When airlines decide to downsize in rough times you hold on to your most profitable routes. Some of those routes are the inaugural routes for many airlines. This made me curious on finding out if most legacies still operate their maiden flight route and if it is still profitable. I can speak for Mexicana's MEX-TAM since 1921 and AeroMexico's MEX-ACA since 1934, both are still being flown. How about your favorite legacy?


My other plane is an A380.
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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11129 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

The difficulty for some of the U.S. legacies is that it is often times difficult to determine what their "maiden" routes actually are, since most were created in the late 1920s or early 1930s from amalgamations of sometimes dozens of smaller airlines.

For AA, for example, some would say their lineage traces to Colonial Air Transport, who inaugurated service initially over air mail route 1, Boston-Hartford-New York. AA (through Eagle) does still fly Boston-New York, though not to Hartford from either. Others may argue that AA's true original predecessor was Robertson Aircraft (where Charles Lindbergh made the first flight) on the Chicago-St. Louis route. AA definitely still flies that route.

Continental's predecessor, Varney Speed Lines, flew mostly out of El Paso to the desert southwest, so I think it's doubtful that Continental still flies on what would be considered its "maiden" route - as today it only flies from El Paso to one other place: their Houston hub.

As for Delta, their initial scheduled route - I believe - was Dallas-Shreveport-Monroe-Jackson, linking Texas with Mississippi and eventually blossoming their network out throughout the Atlantic Southeast via Atlanta (obviously). That route is totally gone today. Delta still serves all four cities, but none of them via those routes.

Northwest's is one of the few U.S. carriers to have been founded as more or less the same company that it is today: Northwest Airways (1926), which became Northwest Airlines (1934). Northwest's first route was Minneapolis to Chicago, which is definitely still served, and is definitely one of the largest and most important/historic in the entire Northwest network.

United's ancestry can be traced to another Varney creation, based in Boise, Idaho, which made its first flight in 1926 on the Boise-Pasco route flying mail, not people. That route is most definitely not served by United today, and I doubt if that route will ever again be served on a regularly-scheduled basis by a major airline.

USAirways is unique among U.S. legacies in that it has had by far the most tumultuous and complex history of mergers, buyouts, acquisitions, etc. of any of them in the recent past. Most of the major consolidation of smaller, tiny regional operators into the other big carriers happened in the 1920s and 1930s, and since then, most of these airlines have grown largely organically, with only short periods of consolidation (United-Capitol, Northwest-Republic, Delta-Western, etc.) punctuating that trend. At USAirways, the amalgamation that created the company occurred only less than 30 years ago. I suppose USAirways' ancestral lineage of USAirways would be traced to All American Aviation, formed in the 1930s and flying mail from Pittsburgh to the Ohio Valley. While I'm not sure of the specific first route of All American, there is a possibility USAirways still flies it, via Express, although it may be doubtful now, with their unfortunate elimination of most service in and out of their former largest hub in Pittsburgh.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

There are many roots that led to the formation of British Airways. One of the strongest and longest leads back through BOAC and Imperial Airways to, amongst others, Handley Page Transport and Instone Air Line.

Both of these airlines were formed at the end of World War I in 1919. Hadley Page first operated from London Croydon to Paris while Instone operated its first flights from Cardiff to London and then on to Paris.

Does BA still operate LON-PAR? Yes. Does BA still operate Cardiff-London? Well its long haul aircraft maintenance facility is at Cardiff and it regularly ferries 744s and 772s LHR-CWL-LHR and 772s LGW-CWL-LGW. But it offers no commercial services to Cardiff from London or anywhere else.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2985 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
For AA, for example, some would say their lineage traces to Colonial Air Transport

I thought that was Eastern.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9969 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2980 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
As for Delta, their initial scheduled route - I believe - was Dallas-Shreveport-Monroe-Jackson, linking Texas with Mississippi and eventually blossoming their network out throughout the Atlantic Southeast via Atlanta (obviously). That route is totally gone today. Delta still serves all four cities, but none of them via those routes.

I know that route, with extensions eastbound to BHM and ATL was still operated when I worked at SHV in the early 80's.
I think some of the guys I worked with had been around that long, too!
 wink 



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11129 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 3):
I thought that was Eastern.

Nope. Colonial Air Transport, along with Colonial Western and Canadian Colonial, were merged into Colonial Airways Corp. in March 1929, and then consolidated into the Aviation Corporation (AVCO) soon thereafter. AVCO then spun off its airline holdings - then loosely consolidated as "American Airways" into "American Airlines" in April 1934.

A lot more information here:

http://www.crsmithmuseum.org/AAhistory/origin.htm

Quoting Mayor (Reply 4):
I know that route, with extensions eastbound to BHM and ATL was still operated when I worked at SHV in the early 80's.

Delta Connection was flying something similar up until just a few years ago. They were doing hops from DFW to ATL with Embraers through Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, etc. I don't remember the exact routings, but I'm pretty sure it involved those cities.

[Edited 2008-04-05 07:27:42]

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2666 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
there is a possibility USAirways still flies it, via Express, although it may be doubtful now, with their unfortunate elimination of most service in and out of their former largest hub in Pittsburgh.

Yes, PITDCA is most certainly still flown by US, and I doubt it will be cut.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

NW is still flying MSP-MDW, and even MSP-LSE and MSP-MSN, even though LSE and MSN were just stops on the first flight.
KE still flies to LAX, albeit from ICN, not GMP.



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User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

For those of us who miss Piedmont, the inaugural was from ILM to CVG with numerous intermediate stops. US still serves this route through CLT and PHL, with CLT being one of the stops on the inaugural flight.

WN began with service between DAL, HOU, and SAT - routes still served today.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2488 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 3):
Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
For AA, for example, some would say their lineage traces to Colonial Air Transport

I thought that was Eastern.

From Encyclopedia Britannica Online...

http://www.britannica.com/eb/topic-126206/Colonial-Air-Transport

It says CAT was a predecessor to AA.



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2436 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
As for Delta, their initial scheduled route - I believe - was Dallas-Shreveport-Monroe-Jackson, linking Texas with Mississippi and eventually blossoming their network out throughout the Atlantic Southeast via Atlanta (obviously). That route is totally gone today. Delta still serves all four cities, but none of them via those routes.

Don't forget Delta's "other" maiden route. That is Western's LAX-LAS-SLC route started in 1926. Delta still flies mainline SLC-LAS and DL Connection LAX-LAS. Of course, DL flies nonstop LAX-SLC as well.


User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2382 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
Quoting Mayor (Reply 4):
I know that route, with extensions eastbound to BHM and ATL was still operated when I worked at SHV in the early 80's.

Delta Connection was flying something similar up until just a few years ago. They were doing hops from DFW to ATL with Embrarers through Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, etc. I don't remember the exact routings, but I'm pretty sure it involved those cities.

The routing of the ASA 120s was ATL-GTR-AEX-DFW and ATL-MEI-LAF-DFW respectively.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2328 times:



Quoting Dsuairptman (Reply 11):
ATL-MEI-LAF-DFW

It was LFT, not LAF.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2082 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
Continental's predecessor, Varney Speed Lines, flew mostly out of El Paso to the desert southwest, so I think it's doubtful that Continental still flies on what would be considered its "maiden" route - as today it only flies from El Paso to one other place: their Houston hub.



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
USAirways is unique among U.S. legacies in that it has had by far the most tumultuous and complex history of mergers, buyouts, acquisitions, etc. of any of them in the recent past.

Just to show how complex this subject is: That Continental ceased to exisit. The Continental we see now is Texas Air who purchased Continental and kept the name. Also the original CO's first route was from DEN to ELP. US Airways didn't survive either. America West purchased them and kept the US name.

Quoting Bohica (Reply 10):
Don't forget Delta's "other" maiden route. That is Western's LAX-LAS-SLC route started in 1926. Delta still flies mainline SLC-LAS and DL Connection LAX-LAS. Of course, DL flies nonstop LAX-SLC as well.

Don't forget Chicago/New Orleans for Chiacgo and Southern and Northeast which would have been a route out of Boston.


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