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Philippine Airlines To Launch PR Express  
User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

I have heard that Philippine Airlines is planning to launch a new brand: Philippine Airlines Express. All the future Q300's and 400's for Philippine Airlines - and some from SAS - will be painted with the Express brand. Also, the current turboprops and the 737-200's of Air Philippines (all of its aircraft) will be repainted with the Express livery. Over time, Air Philippines will no longer be a brand and all of its remaining aircraft will be repainted with the PAL Express livery but operated by Air Philippines.

Philippine Airlines is buying a total of nine Q300's and Q400's - some from SAS.

see: http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2008/03/30/BSNS20080330120616.html

-jasp


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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Thanks Jasper for the PAL update.

You know where those a/c are coming from right? Scandinavian Airlines is dumping them, after some pretty high-profile accidents in Sweden and Denmark recently. One can only hope that they will function more safely in the Philippines.  Yeah sure

I'm surprised about what seems to become the termination of the Air Philippines brand - I always thought it was a strong brand name - and the FA uniforms on Air Philippines are superior to those on PR.

PAL route planning has always appeared to me as erratic (Las Vegas, but not Europe, two back-to-back evening flights at SFO instead of a daytime and an evening departure, and such). Boracay eight times a day? That destination is so over-hyped, especially considering how many other wonderful beach areas are available across the thousands of beautiful islands that are the Philippines.

Anyways, thanks again for the link.


User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7153 times:



Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 1):
One can only hope that they will function more safely in the Philippines.

I sure hope so!

About their back-to-back evening schedule out of the mainland US, I understand that those flights usually have good load factors. Changing it to daytime and evening flights would probably not really matter to the economics of PR. It's nice to see PR growing after a decade of being under receivership. Perhaps when the B777's are in service and the FAA downgrade re-evaluated, they will improve their scheduling. I sure want to see them fly to Europe especially in London and Paris - and perhaps out of ORD and EWR.

Quoting Jasp25 (Thread starter):
Air Philippines will no longer be a brand and all of its remaining aircraft will be repainted with the PAL Express livery but operated by Air Philippines

-- is it true that the 737-200's of Air Philippines (or PAL) will be phased out by 2010??

-jasp



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User currently offlineLurveBus From Philippines, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7082 times:

Looks like they're consolidating everything under PAL's name in order to make PAL look bigger. I suppose it wouldn't hurt considering the rate that 5J has been growing.

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 1):
PAL route planning has always appeared to me as erratic (Las Vegas, but not Europe, two back-to-back evening flights at SFO instead of a daytime and an evening departure, and such). Boracay eight times a day? That destination is so over-hyped, especially considering how many other wonderful beach areas are available across the thousands of beautiful islands that are the Philippines.

PR doesn't have much competition on the Las Vegas route, whereas if they sent planes to Europe, they'd be slaughtered by the likes of EK, EY, CX, TG, SQ, MH, KL, and a few others. And the SFO/LAX flights are actually perfectly timed for onward connections on the domestic and Southeast Asia routes. If they fiddled with the timings on the second flight, there would only be domestic feed on the MNL end, and feed on the west coast of the USA is pretty difficult to attract considering that PR has no FF partners at all.


User currently offlinePRFLYER From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6972 times:



Quoting LurveBus (Reply 3):
PR doesn't have much competition on the Las Vegas route

Las Vegas is now the 3rd city in the US with large Filipino residents. So the market is there.


User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6875 times:



Quoting PRFLYER (Reply 4):
Las Vegas is now the 3rd city in the US with large Filipino residents. So the market is there.

That's true! I booked a client on this flight one time connecting from FAT and told her that she could play slots at the airport before boarding Philippine Airlines A343 and if lucky, could have a little more pocket money. I sure hope she won or she would have had angry relatives in the Philippines  biggrin 

-jasp



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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6862 times:



Quoting PRFLYER (Reply 4):
Las Vegas is now the 3rd city in the US with large Filipino residents. So the market is there.

Really? My deepest sympathy goes out to them then!  Smile

Anyways, thanks for the replies guys. I'm still not convinced about the wisdom of operating back-to-back flights; connections could still be made (as with Cathay) on both ends. And there is definitely an O/D market between San Francisco and Manila!  Smile

Anyways, will wait for the CEB-SFO/LAX flights to be deployed in 2010!

Take care.


User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6855 times:



Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 6):
Really? My deepest sympathy goes out to them then!

Do you mean sympathies to Las Vegas? I don't quite get what you meant.

-jasp



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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6703 times:



Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 7):
Do you mean sympathies to Las Vegas? I don't quite get what you meant.

-jasp

No, no, no! I mean the other way around!

The poor pinoys being trapped in gaudy, plastic Las Vegas....


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6647 times:

Per my understanding 3 Q300 and 6 Q400, with the Q400s coming from SAS. Anyone able to confirm?


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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6631 times:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 9):
Per my understanding 3 Q300 and 6 Q400, with the Q400s coming from SAS. Anyone able to confirm?

Yes, this link: http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2008/03/30/BSNS20080330120616.html second paragraph

-jasp



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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

It's official:

Quote:

MANILA – Philippine Airlines is launching a new, low-fares unit that will operate a fleet of turbo-propeller aircraft to mostly domestic island points under the brand name “PAL Express,” PAL president Jaime J. Bautista announced today.

PAL Express will meet the growing demand of the traveling public for a high-quality carrier offering low fares,” said Bautista.

“At the same time, it supports the Philippine government’s efforts to promote trade and tourism, particularly to our many small islands, thus providing a much-needed lift to the local economy of these communities.”

PAL will acquire nine turbo-props – three Bombardier Q300s and six Q400s – to comprise PAL Express’ initial fleet, which will be based mainly in Cebu. Some flights will also operate out of Manila.

PAL Express will primarily fly intra-regional routes in Visayas and Mindanao from its Cebu hub, as well as secondary routes to smaller airports in island provinces that are not able to accommodate PAL’s regular jet aircraft.

The launch of PAL Express is a ground-breaking step for the flag carrier, which is creating a sub-brand for the first time in its 67-year history.

“We will leverage on the strength of the PAL brand to make PAL Express the leader in the markets it serves. In turn, PAL benefits from the expansion of its network to areas it does not presently fly to, from where PAL Express aims to draw traffic to feed the main trunk routes,” said Bautista.

He added: “But the biggest beneficiary will be the traveler, who is now able to tap into PAL’s extensive route network and enjoy seamless connections between erstwhile inaccessible provincial points and 43 destinations – and counting – across the Philippines, Asia, Australia and North America.”

The structure for PAL Express is similar to the set-up found in several international airlines, where the “legacy” carrier establishes an operating division intended to serve a market niche distinct from the mainline operation.

source: Philippineairlines.com --> About PAL ---> news

-jasp



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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

In case you don't know about it.

Here's PAL Express' Website:

http://www.palexpressair.com/main/home.htm

--jasp



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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6098 times:



Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 12):
In case you don't know about it.

Here's PAL Express' Website:

http://www.palexpressair.com/main/home.htm

--jasp

Thanks, Jasp. And so the planned PR route between CEB and North America makes even more sense now, in the light of the new connection opportunities opened up by the new PAL Express operations out of Cebu.


User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6062 times:



Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 13):
Thanks, Jasp. And so the planned PR route between CEB and North America makes even more sense now, in the light of the new connection opportunities opened up by the new PAL Express operations out of Cebu.

Yes, totally makes more sense. That will help decongest the NAIA terminal 2 as many balikbayans who are going to Mindanao and Visayas areas would rather connect in CEB.

-jasp



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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5944 times:



Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 14):
Yes, totally makes more sense. That will help decongest the NAIA terminal 2 as many balikbayans who are going to Mindanao and Visayas areas would rather connect in CEB.

-jasp

Thanks alot for keeping a close tab on what is going on in Pinas.

I hope that that US rating of the Philippine government's safety oversight will be able to be upgraded soon, so that any service frequency improvements desired by Philippine carriers to the US market can be implemented.


User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5924 times:



Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 15):
I hope that that US rating of the Philippine government's safety oversight will be able to be upgraded soon, so that any service frequency improvements desired by Philippine carriers to the US market can be implemented.

Yup, and the pending openskies policy.

-jasp



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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5730 times:



Quote:

PAL Express, the new, low-fares brand of Philippine Airlines, completed its inaugural flight to Caticlan today (May 5, 2008).

PAL Express, the new, low-fares brand of Philippine Airlines, will serve 22 inter-island routes at the outset, including some provincial points currently without air service or underserved by other players, PAL president Jaime J. Bautista announced today.

www.philippineairlines.com

By the way, if you're traveling from the US West Coast to Boracay, you can connect from PR113 to PR37 that leaves Manila at 630AM and arrives MPH (Caticlan) an hour after. The next flight to MPH departs at 8:50AM as PR45 - a perfect cxn for pax arriving on PR103 or 105. If doing a connection, that little tiny thing can also take your two 70-lb boxes all the way to Boracay (or to whatever PAL express flight you are connecting to).

All PR express flights originating/flying to Manila arrive in and depart from NAIA Terminal 2.

-jasp



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User currently offlineLeamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5693 times:

Peanuts! Online, the low cost airline news website has just announced that PAL Express will initially serve 22 routes:

Bacolod
Busuanga
Butuan
Cagayan de Oro
Calbayog
Caticlan
Cauayan (Isabela)
Cebu
Davao
Dipolog
General Santos
Iloilo
Legazpi
Manila
Ozamiz
Puerto Princesa
San Fernando (La Union)
San Jose (Occidental Mindoro)
Surigao
Tacloban
Virac


User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

I also want to see them fly to Mambajao, Camiguin island -- I am pretty sure tourists that go there fly in to Ozamis. Mambajao has an airport that can accommodate a Q.

-jasp



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User currently offlinePRFLYER From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5535 times:

You may now redeem your Mabuhay Miles Travel Awards with PAL Express.

http://www.philippineairlines.com/ec...fs/2008/MMEC/PALExpressDAwChV2.pdf


User currently offlineHugo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Just flew PAL Express Manila-Caticlan v.v. on their new Q300s. As expected the Q300s are a big improvement over the Dash 7s of Asian Spirit. I wish they had the new PR airbus interior schemes though - these had very ordinary denim-blue seats. There are still some glitches with the the integration of Air Philippines and PAL Express...airport signage and annoucements are still very confusing. PAL EXPRESS DOES NOT GIVE MABUHAY MILES MILEAGE CREDIT .

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5340 times:



Quoting Hugo (Reply 21):
Just flew PAL Express Manila-Caticlan v.v. on their new Q300s.

Didn't know PAL Express is now flying to Caticlan. I believe 5J started MNL- Caticlan in Feb too. Great to see some competition on that route coz Asian Spirit and Seair were getting carried away with the prices last year.

On another note, any pictures of PAL's new J class on the 744's?



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User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5308 times:



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 22):
Didn't know PAL Express is now flying to Caticlan. I believe 5J started MNL- Caticlan in Feb too. Great to see some competition on that route coz Asian Spirit and Seair were getting carried away with the prices last year.

PAL Express started flying on May 5th initially from/to 22 airports. PAL Expresss operations are based in MNL and CEB

-jasp



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