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Snapshot: PHX And LAS 1962  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Following are all the arriving flights shown in the May 1962 North Amer QR OAG (except the ones that op fewer than five days a week.) Phoenix first:

0030 CO 707 LAX

0410 CO 707 ELP

0710 Apache (all the Apache flights are from TUS, a/c type not shown)
0746 BL F27 PRC (all BL flights are F27)

0810 CO Visc LAX
0812 FL CV340 TUS
0840 Apache
0855 WA Elec SAN

0912 TW 880 LAX
0915 AA 707 LAX
0925 TW 880 MKC
0925 BL YUM
0940 Apache
0943 WA Elec DEN

1009 BL VLE ("Grand Canyon")
1024 TW 1649 TUS
1025 AA DC7 SAN
1025 AA DC7 SFO

1112 TW 880 ORD
1118 FL DC3 TUS
1124 CO Visc TUS
1130 WA Elec SAN
1150 AA 720B ORD

1212 BL BLH
1240 Apache
1245 BL LAS

1300 AA DC6 TUS
1333 FL DC3 PRC
1345 Apache

1405 BL YUM
1415 CO DC7B LAX
1439 AA DC6 SAN
1455 AA 707 DAL

1500 Apache
1515 BL LAS
1518 WA Elec DEN
1540 WA 720B LAX
1551 FL CV340 FMN

1600 Apache
1625 TW 1649 LAS no local traff
1631 FL DC3 TUS
1632 TW 880 LAX
1650 Apache

1732 AA DC7 LAX
1745 BL SLC
1750 Apache
1750 AA 720B ORD
1753 BL IGM

1818 AA DC7 TUS
1840 Apache
1842 FL CV340 TUS

1905 AA 720B SFO
1932 TW 880 ORD

2009 CO Visc TUS
2021 BL PRC
2026 BL BLH
2038 WA Elec LAX
2044 TW 1049G TUS
2049 AA DC6 SAN

2101 AA 720B TUS
2122 CO DC7B ELP
2127 TW 880 ABQ
2130 FL DC3 PRC
2148 WA Elec DEN

2205 BL YUM
2206 FL CV340 FMN
2232 TW 880 LAX
2240 BL LAS

2340 AA DC7 OAK
2343 AA DC7 TUS

Las Vegas--

0019 UA 720 LAX
0056 TW 707 LAX

0858 TW 1049G LAX

0940 BL LAX (all BL F27s here too)
0943 TW 1649 LAX

1027 WA Elec LAX

1110 BL RNO
1120 UA DC6 GJT
1138 BL IGM
1138 TW 1649 PHX no local traff
1158 WA DC6B LAX

1211 WA Elec SLC
1225 WA Elec SFO
1227 UA DC7 LAX

1323 TW 880 LAX
1343 BL APV
1357 PC F27 BFL

1400 PC F27 WJF
1427 WA Elec LAX
1435 BL PHX
1441 TW 1649 SFO
1455 BL LAX

1500 WA DC6B SLC

1645 TW 1649 ABQ
1648 WA DC6B LAX
1650 UA DC7 DEN
1650 BL PHX

1715 TW 1049G ORD
1751 BL ONT

1816 WA Elec SLC
1822 TW 880 ORD
1840 BL LAX

1902 TW 707 SFO
1903 WA DC6B LAX
1942 WA Elec LAX
1950 BL PHX
1955 NA Elec HOU

2002 UA DC6 LAX
2023 BL APV
2034 PC F27 BFL
2047 TW 707 ORD

2100 UA 720 ORD
2105 BL RNO
2105 WA Elec SFO
2120 BL LAX
2127 WA DC6B PSP
2135 UA DC7 DEN

2240 DL DC7 DAL
2246 BL ONT

2306 BL IGM
2357 WA Elec LAX

[Edited 2008-04-05 15:43:44]

[Edited 2008-04-05 15:58:55]

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User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

I imagine BL is Bonanza Airlines and PC is Pacific Airlines, but when I scroll over BL it shows Pacific Airlines. Any ideas on why ? What was the code for Bonanza Airlines if not BL ? Bonanza was LAS original hometown airline.

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

So maybe "BL" is now Pacific Airlines, whatever that is. Can't expect A.net's computer to know what "BL" was forty years ago.

User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Wow, the demads of the airports have really grown. Both appear to be very focused on regional flying at the time, heavy on flights just crossing the border. I think the longest route I saw was to ORD.

Just PHX has grown quite a bit with over 100 domestic destinations and nearly 20 international according to their web page.


User currently offlineTravaz From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Wow I remember those days. Vle is about 20 miles from GCN and was a destination for TWA for years. Up to 60's dont remember exactly. Now PHX has 43 million Pax and lots of flights. Great post

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Well Pacific, Bonanza, and West Coast all merged to form Air West. Maybe thats where BL as Pacific is coming from.


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3443 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Interesting that neither has non-stop service to PDX, or even SEA.


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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Hard to believe there was no Las Vegas to San Diego non-stops in those days. SAN had one flight a day between Las Vegas and San Diego on a WA DC-6B that stopped at PSP. Heck even Lancaster (WJF) had a non-stop back then!

Not to nick pick, but the AA DC-7 that arrives PHX at 1025 (not the SAN flight) may actually be non-stop from OAK and not SFO. Please ck if you can as I think the flight might have been routed SFO-OAK-PHX back in 1962. Thanks and great job!



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Two-Letter IATA codes are frequently "recycled", as the years go by. For exmple, "QQ" once belonged to one of the last passenger Constellation operators in the Caribbean, Aerovia Quisqueyana. Once they shut down, the code becomes available through IATA again. It was later picked up by Reno Air. After they shut down, it became available again..

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8776 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3226 times:

What was FL back then?

User currently offlineSe210 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Postcards of PHX and LAS (circa early 60's). Somewhat quieter than today!

WA L188 and BL F27


TW B707 and WA DC6


User currently offlineG4LASRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

I'm pretty sure FL was Frontier back then.

Always like looking at pictures of LAS from those days. My first trip LAX to LAS was as a kid in 1963 aboard a WA Electra. Moved to LAS in 1964 and became a regular summer and Christmas LAS to LAX commuter shuttling between parents on either WA L188s or B720s or later BL DC9s.



"A pig that doesn't fly is just a pig." - Porco Rosso
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2863 times:



Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 7):
Hard to believe there was no Las Vegas to San Diego non-stops in those days.

It's also surprising that there was no non-stop service from New York. While nothing at all like it is today, Las Vegas was a sizable tourist draw back then, having basically a monopoly on legalized gambling in America.



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2792 times:

PROSA..It is probably because casino gaming was not regularly "accepted", as it is today. Generally, there were no nonstops from anywhere east of Chicago to Vegas, until probaly the late 60's. Even into the 1970's, nonstops from the east, were very limited. Outside of JFK, most east coast cities did not see nonstop Vegas service until the advent of HP.
Most gamblers in the east elected to take shoter flights to Puerto Rico and the Bahamas. Some went so far as Aruba. All of those choices also offered a nice tropical Winter break that Vegas could not offer.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

I noticed TWA flew 1649s between LAS and PHX with "No Local Traffic". What was the full routing of these flights?

Thanks for putting this together, and thanks SE210 for the great postcards!



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2664 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 14):
I noticed TWA flew 1649s between LAS and PHX with "No Local Traffic". What was the full routing of these flights?

According to my Sept '62 OAG the routing was ABQ-TUS-PHX-LAS-SFO with a late afternoon return, same routing.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2590 times:



Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 7):
the AA DC-7 that arrives PHX at 1025 (not the SAN flight) may actually be non-stop from OAK and not SFO.

Turns out I did copy it correctly; in this OAG the only direct from OAK to PHX was the nonstop arriving at 2340. As it happens I have the AA timetable for 29 Apr 1962, and it also shows the 1025 PHX arrival from SFO.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2525 times:



Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 15):
ABQ-TUS-PHX-LAS-SFO

Ditto in 5/62.


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2479 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 16):
Turns out I did copy it correctly; in this OAG the only direct from OAK to PHX was the nonstop arriving at 2340. As it happens I have the AA timetable for 29 Apr 1962, and it also shows the 1025 PHX arrival from SFO.

Thanks. They must have changed it somewhere in between your OAG and my OAG as my Sept '62 OAG shows AA798 (eqip: DC-7, not DC-6B as I thought) leaving SFO at 7:30am and stopping at OAK departing OAK at 7:55am and arriving PHX at the time you have at 10:25am. This flight continued onward to TUS and DAL and terminated there.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2415 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Nice pix of old terminal one at PHX.

User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2396 times:

FL was the original Frontier and was its code until it was absorbed by CO (Texas Air) in about 1986. PC was Pacific, WC was West Coast, and BL was Bonanza before the Airwest Merger. TWA did not fly into VLE as of 1955. I believe they discontinued service there in the DC-3 days.

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