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F9 To Start Charging For Snacks  
User currently offline777DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15802720/detail.html

DENVER -- Beginning May 1, Frontier Airlines plans to start charging customers on most of its flights for snacks that were once free.

Frontier plans to offer five or six snacks on most flights for $3 each. Passengers will still be able to get a beverage free, and Denver-Costa Rica flights will still include a complimentary breakfast sandwich.

Frontier spokesman Joe Hodas said all airlines are looking for ways to save money as fuel costs soar. He said Frontier needs to offset catering costs to keep ticket prices lower.

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User currently offlineShannoninAMA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8952 times:



Quoting 777DEN (Thread starter):


Frontier plans to offer five or six snacks on most flights for $3 each. Passengers will still be able to get a beverage free, and Denver-Costa Rica flights will still include a complimentary breakfast sandwich.

Looks like they are adjusting to the industry standard (Free drink, charge for snacks) on the majority of flights now. I doubt this will impact many people's airline choice when they book. Either way..Que the "F9 is Doomed" crowd.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8934 times:

$3.00 sounds very resonable though no mention of what is being offered for sale.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineNZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

Before everyone starts flaming this latest action, let me say that Frontier was looking into this LONG before oil is where it is now, and LONG before this week's recent airline foldings.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8860 times:

Well, I have heard these will be high quality, non perishable items.

Honestly, I'd rather fork over a few bucks for something decent than a small bag of pretzels or peanuts that some airlines offer. I know some will criticize F9 for this, but hey, they are doing what they have to to keep the revenue flowing. Also, it looks like Sean Menke is indeed bringing more of the "Air Canada" way of doing things to F9 in terms of charging passengers for extras.


User currently offlineAFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Wow, this is a blow. Frontier was my favorite airline in the US because I thought their catering was so innovative and interesting. They offered Lamar's donuts and pizza sticks and cookies. I have always wanted to fly them. I just checked their website and they got rid of the donuts and everything. So, I guess now when I see Frontier as an option, I really won't care about flying them that much, even though I still love their interiors and exteriors. Maybe when they start charing they'll bring back some of those options. I have been looking for pictures of the donuts and pizza sticks but I haven't found any on airlinemeals.net or off of anywhere else. Does anybody have them?

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8836 times:



Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 5):
They offered Lamar's donuts and pizza sticks and cookies.

Those have been gone for a little while now.


User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8811 times:



Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 5):
Wow, this is a blow. Frontier was my favorite airline in the US because I thought their catering was so innovative and interesting.

Does Greyhound give out Free Snacks? No, and neither should airlines. Airlines are in the transportation business, transporting passengers from point A to point B.

I see this as a very positive move that should benefit FRNT's shareholders and hopefully generate some ancillary revenue. At $3 a snack, they aren't exactly raking in cash hand over fist, but these days with $110/barrel oil, a little bit goes a long way.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25687 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8795 times:
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There's a long article in the Denver Post - with DP testers trying the product, and giving (generally) very good reviews:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/travel/2...will-soon-start-charging-for-food/

It is called "Griswald's Gourmet Cafe" and each pack has a guarantee from Griswald:

"If not completely satisfied, return the unused portion - and I'll eat it."  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineAFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8760 times:



Quoting National757 (Reply 7):
Does Greyhound give out Free Snacks? No, and neither should airlines. Airlines are in the transportation business, transporting passengers from point A to point B.

It's funny because somebody just asked me today why I still like flying when airlines don't even give any food. I don't care if they give me food or if they don't, but I especially like Frontier's catering. I thought it was really unique. And, that isn't the view people should have of airlines. Flights are much more about getting from point A to B. One of my favorite flights was on UA 3 where i got no meal and basically nothing and yet I stilled loved it. Every flight is different. I would much prefer a unique meal than just a bland one or no meal at all. I am not one of these people who complains like an old man about how they don't give ya' anything anymore, but the more service an airline has, the better. That's what makes the airlines such an interesting hobby and industry. There is no fascination with the bus industry and yet, there are people who will fly all the way to NRT just to spot planes. There is obviously something about it that is more than point A to Point B.


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1753 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8760 times:
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$3 is also less than what other airlines charge for their snacks. It's very impulse buy at that point.


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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8700 times:



Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 9):
There is no fascination with the bus industry

A few A.net members in Non-Av would disagree with you.

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 9):
There is obviously something about it that is more than point A to Point B.

For some, yes Aviation is more than point A to point B. Heck I wouldn't be a member of this website if I didn't think there was more to civil aviation than transporting passengers or cargo from point A to point B. However I realize after watching a few airlines collapse this past week, airlines need to be aggressive in pricing and maximizing revenue if they want to survive, let along be profitable.

Frontier's catering still looks to be unique, but is it worth paying for? Ultimately the flying public will decide. Would you pay for a meal on Frontier?



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User currently offlineJetMARC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8606 times:

This is stupid. We offer "free snacks" on our flights, but do you honestly think they are still "free"... no, they are included in the ticket price!! All airlines should just add $1 - $3 to the ticket price, give out "free snacks" and all the passengers continue to think "ooh, wow! FREE snacks - what service, what a great airline!" This way, the airline will still make additional revenue regardless of whether passengers purchase an onboard snack or not.

Even if the ticket price is a few dollars more than Southwest or United, passengers can view this as 'premium service'.... I was under the impression people will pay a few bucks more to fly jetBlue or VA for the better onboard service and ammenities - this would be the same for Frontier. People these days are willing to spend a few extra bucks for better service, not always just the cheapest ticket.



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User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8605 times:
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Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 9):
There is no fascination with the bus industry

I agree, I LOVE aviation, and airplanes are #1 in my world  cloudnine ; but I am fascinated with transportation as a whole. I think there are a lot of A-nutters who love not just planes, but trains, cars, buses, boats, ect. ect. I for one am a fan on all in the transpo-industry.

-HSII



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25687 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8571 times:
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Quoting JetMARC (Reply 12):
This is stupid.

Actually, Frontier has been doing test flights with these snacks, and it's been very successful. The passengers seem to love it.

mariner



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8507 times:

Okay, I've always been a Frontier supporter. But, a few months ago when people started talking about Frontier going ala carte, I said the day they start nickle and diming me is the day I stop flying them. I guess that day is today. On the routes I fly, they're rarely the cheapest, and they're rarely the most convenient, but I fly them because their product is the best. This puts them on par with the other carriers that I can choose from, but they're still a step down in convenience and price. So, I guess in the future, I'll be going back to NW.

[Edited 2008-04-05 20:15:59]


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User currently offlineAFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8411 times:



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 13):
who love not just planes, but trains, cars, buses, boats, ect. ect. I for one am a fan on all in the transpo-industry.

Well, I am obsessed with trains. I love urban transport. I am less interested in classic rail. I like learning about subway systems and NJ transit and LIRR and RER type systems. I really like cars as well, and that is something which is a common interest of many and I love boats too. You're right, I probably should not have said that about buses but out of all transport, I really see buses as being the smallest interest as I don't know what there is to know about buses besides I guess if you want to own an RV or something. I know it is just my opinion, but planes, trains, cars, and boats are much more hobbies, interests and real industries where as buses are very narrow in range on a hobby/industry level.


User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8383 times:



Quoting JetMARC (Reply 12):
This is stupid. We offer "free snacks" on our flights, but do you honestly think they are still "free"... no, they are included in the ticket price!! All airlines should just add $1 - $3 to the ticket price, give out "free snacks" and all the passengers continue to think "ooh, wow! FREE snacks - what service, what a great airline!" This way, the airline will still make additional revenue regardless of whether passengers purchase an onboard snack or not.

Even if the ticket price is a few dollars more than Southwest or United, passengers can view this as 'premium service'.... I was under the impression people will pay a few bucks more to fly jetBlue or VA for the better onboard service and ammenities - this would be the same for Frontier. People these days are willing to spend a few extra bucks for better service, not always just the cheapest ticket.

This is all part of the un-bundling of services that is going on in the industry now. Those who just want the cheapest fare (probably a majority of passengers at this point) don't care if they get free snacks or not - to them the seat is merely a commodity. Sure they will bitch and moan and complain about how airlines are nickel and diming them, but rest assured, if that airline is offering the cheapest fare the next week, you'll see them in the seat.

Airlines have called the passenger's bluff. The unbundling of services actually makes a lot of sense and has worked wonders for AC. If you're a frequent flier who shows loyalty to the airline, the airline will shower you with various goodies (Economy + on UA, free food on other airlines, multiple bag check in, occasional first class upgrades etc). If you're loyal to the airline, the airline will be loyal to you. If you're just looking to get yourself the cheapest fare, well the airline doesn't really need your business that badly nor can they afford it at $110 barrel oil. Besides, there are millions more of Joe Cheapskate, and if he wants to fly another airline because their fare was cheaper that day, Tom Cheapskate will be more than happy to have the seat instead.

As an aside, I know there will some that will flame me and say "But I PAY for First!" That's wonderful. None of these policies will affect you. And you're a very distinct minority anyways.

Just my  twocents 


User currently offlineAFKLMLHLX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8302 times:



Quoting JetMARC (Reply 12):
This is stupid. We offer "free snacks" on our flights, but do you honestly think they are still "free"... no, they are included in the ticket price!! All airlines should just add $1 - $3 to the ticket price, give out "free snacks" and all the passengers continue to think "ooh, wow! FREE snacks - what service, what a great airline!" This way, the airline will still make additional revenue regardless of whether passengers purchase an onboard snack or not.

It's so funny as I do think about that sometimes. And yet for some reason, it is still complementary. When people pay like 500 more dollars to fly domestic first instead of economy, they are really only paying 20-40 extra bucks as the meal service costs no more than that and drinks aren't that much more either. Yet, people still buy them. I know that when I upgraded to F on CO, it cost me 450 bucks instead of the 8,000 one way ticket price. However, even my 450$ is probably much more than it costs for all of the services on my flight. I guess if you think strictly in monetary value, then fare prices make no sense. But, it is what it is and I will always take the cheaper fare, but if I have a couple of choices, I am very educated on the service of most airlines on any particular route so that will definitely be a factor. And honestly, airlines are adding 1-3$ on the ticket price anyway regardless. The airlines are deregulated. There is no fullproof fare structure. Whatever shows up on kayak or expedia or any website, is the price. Some websites are cheaper than others. I just go strictly by what I see, and have no way of knowing what any policy is because some flights are really expensive and others going to the same place offering more service are less.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8132 times:

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 5):
Wow, this is a blow. Frontier was my favorite airline in the US because I thought their catering was so innovative and interesting. They offered Lamar's donuts and pizza sticks and cookies

Okay....

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 5):
I have always wanted to fly them.

Okay...

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 5):
So, I guess now when I see Frontier as an option, I really won't care about flying them that much, even though I still love their interiors and exteriors

I thought you said you always wanted to fly them? Now you really won't care to fly them that much? I am trying to understand your position here.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 4):
Well, I have heard these will be high quality, non perishable items.

Honestly, I'd rather fork over a few bucks for something decent than a small bag of pretzels or peanuts that some airlines offer. I know some will criticize F9 for this, but hey, they are doing what they have to to keep the revenue flowing. Also, it looks like Sean Menke is indeed bringing more of the "Air Canada" way of doing things to F9 in terms of charging passengers for extras.

Glad to see there will be a variety of snacks to choose from. I have never had a problem paying a few bucks to get something I wanted, rather than getting what was the only thing being served. Most airlines are going to this option, and I do not see it as a bad thing. Come on now, a small bag of chips or pretzels is not going to hit the spot when I have a hunger pain on a 2.5 hour flight. Charging for extras was a long time coming, and many airlines have started doing this. It amazes me that so many have cut out meals all together. If you can't afford $3.00, then you can pack yourself a sandwich.


edit: This was a long time coming by the way. It has been talked about for some time now. It has also gotten kudos during the tests.

[Edited 2008-04-05 23:10:09]


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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8104 times:



Quoting National757 (Reply 7):
Does Greyhound give out Free Snacks? No, and neither should airlines. Airlines are in the transportation business, transporting passengers from point A to point B.

While I mostly agree, the issue is brand identity. F9 is willing to "cheapen the brand" for a better bottom line. Financially smart, damn shame I don't like it  Sad But it's not my airline to run.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 8):

It is called "Griswald's Gourmet Cafe" and each pack has a guarantee from Griswald:

So now I understand why F9 was down on Larimer yest: snack testing. Free snacks on my way to class. The Chedder crackers were the best.

Quoting JetMARC (Reply 12):
Even if the ticket price is a few dollars more than Southwest or United, passengers can view this as 'premium service'.... I was under the impression people will pay a few bucks more to fly jetBlue or VA for the better onboard service and ammenities - this would be the same for Frontier. People these days are willing to spend a few extra bucks for better service, not always just the cheapest ticket.

The question is, how many people are willing to pay more versus "average Joe Savabuk"? Airline prices are rather elastic, and F9's hoping to pick up additional revenue on board. Now, if their fares are still the highest, and all you have is pay-TV and pay snacks, it will probably leave a bad taste in the consumer's mouth. "Why must I pay for everything?"

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 18):
It's so funny as I do think about that sometimes. And yet for some reason, it is still complementary. When people pay like 500 more dollars to fly domestic first instead of economy, they are really only paying 20-40 extra bucks as the meal service costs no more than that and drinks aren't that much more either.

Ummmmmmmmmm............... you do realize that $500 fares allow you do have your $20 "subsidised" fare, yes?

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 18):
I guess if you think strictly in monetary value, then fare prices make no sense. But, it is what it is and I will always take the cheaper fare, but if I have a couple of choices, I am very educated on the service of most airlines on any particular route so that will definitely be a factor.

And when everyone takes the cheapest option, no one makes a profit. Some people have more pressing matters, and thus they are willing to pay more. Besides, if you're so educated, why wouldn't you want to fly on a better product, or a better time table, as compared to be a "Joe Savabuk?"

Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 18):
I just go strictly by what I see, and have no way of knowing what any policy is because some flights are really expensive and others going to the same place offering more service are less.

OK, really expensive I can understand. Damn shame $110 a barrel is going to take you $20 subsidy away from you, as its not sustainable. Gotta pay for fuel, pilots, FAs, ground crew, CSAs, landing fees, maintenance crews, parts, etc somehow. How do you do it all at $150 rt?


User currently offlineSkyGourmet From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7939 times:



Quoting AFKLMLHLX (Reply 5):
I have been looking for pictures of the donuts and pizza sticks but I haven't found any on airlinemeals.net or off of anywhere else. Does anybody have them?




This was on a F9 flight I took in 2006 (SFO-DEN-PHL).  yummy 



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

Something else to blame on oil prices! I assume its 'snacks' are the usual pre-packed salty or sugared rubbish offered on most US domestics. The type of foodstufff with 20 year sell by dates!!

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25687 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7855 times:
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Quoting Orion737 (Reply 22):
Something else to blame on oil prices! I assume its 'snacks' are the usual pre-packed salty or sugared rubbish offered on most US domestics. The type of foodstufff with 20 year sell by dates!!

Perhaps if you read the link in post #8, you would see that your assumption is wrong. Here's a hint, from the article:

"They’re not as fun to eat as other brands of animal crackers because they lack a great deal of sugar. That’s probably a good thing in the long-run."

Note - they lack a great deal of sugar.

mariner



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User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7789 times:



Quoting Nosedive (Reply 20):
F9 is willing to "cheapen the brand" for a better bottom line.

Let's see what they are offering for your three bucks before calling it "cheapening the brand".

KingCavalier...any sneak peeks?


25 Orion737 : I agree its cheapening the brand, and it wont be 'food' they are offering. Snacks, we all know what that is, use by date 2030!
26 Xtoler : Greyhound or WN? I'm a logistician by trade, but there are differences in ground as opposed to air transportation. Actually, if you go by ground tran
27 Burnsie28 : NW charges two for the snacks and five for sandwhiches and large snack boxes that include several snacks.
28 JetMARC : I'm sure they do love it. But they would love it even more if it was "free" but still paid for in their ticket price. Its all about perception... I d
29 AFKLMLHLX : I love to search up airline fares in general, and I will compare services vs. prices when I really need to book something for a trip, but I am not goi
30 EA772LR : Well considering that the experience of flying was always considered a much better experience than an FREAKIN greyhound bus ride, I'd say YEAH airlin
31 Azstar : I don't understand why you consider it "wrong" to charge $3.00 for a snack. You have the option of buying it, or not buying it. No one is forcing you
32 TxAgKuwait : A take on it from the resident WN apologist: Frontier charging for snacks is not going to hurt them. It won't help all that much but it won't cause th
33 Mariner : Of course, they would. All of us would prefer to get fabulous five course dinners for free. Then I woke up. I would rather see Frontier healthy - and
34 FreequentFlier : Don't take this personally (as it's a pretty consistent trend among lots of passengers), but it's a bit comical that in your post to prove that you'r
35 AirframeAS : I think this is probably a good idea for F9 to start doing this, this is now becoming more of an industry standard by charging pax for snacks. Hopeful
36 TheGreatChecko : Those of you who think that a $3 fare increase "would not be noticed" are forgetting how price conscious people are these days. For the vast majority
37 Frontierflyer : In my case I do not book a ticket based on what is going to be served on board. If I'm hungry I just eat before and that is final. I can see where it
38 Mariner : I guess one could say that the pax are nickel and diming the airlines. mariner
39 Dvincent : Hm, thanks for that. I knew only of the $5 snack box on NW, if they have a less expensive option then that's great.
40 KELPkid : How can Griswald do that since he's been sold off? (N801FR is due to leave the fleet...) Will we have a new 'Gris' soon? However, being a carbohydrat
41 EA772LR : Perhaps you missed the part where I said: The airlines don't even have to post "Snack Surcharge". If they raise their price for the ticket (the costs
42 OnAClearDay : This quote from the media is inaccurate. The 'buy on board' snacks that F9 will offer have never before been available on f9 flights--except, obvious
43 National757 : It's not that simple. Joe Schmo won't notice, but I bet F9 will sure notice when pax go with other airlines. If UA charges $297 for a fare and F9 cha
44 AirNZ : Wait up, you've lost me here. In reply 22 you had no idea and clearly assumed what they would be serving, so how come three replies later you say you
45 AirNZ : Okay, tell me why in your opinion the airlines SHOULD give out free snacks if "considering that the experience of flying was always considered a much
46 PlanesNTrains : In theory, a great idea. In reality, it won't work. There is no vacuum. You can't force your competitors to raise their prices, and you can't expect
47 EA772LR : No but until recently majority of airlines gave complimentary snacks and a drink. If oil is going to continue to force airlines to keep charging for
48 FreequentFlier : Not much really. Some people will pay for them and some people won't. Some people will complain about being "nickel and dimed" until they look on orb
49 CB97 : Perhaps comparing airlines to passenger trains would be more of an oranges to oranges debate than comparing them to the bus. Does Amtrak charge for sn
50 GayStudPilot : I think airlines should charge for this junk food. STOP OBESITY in America! I realize business flyers sometimes have little time to grab something to
51 Mariner : I guess you haven't checked to see what Frontier is offering - such as nuts and fruit? mariner
52 MSYtristar : Boy, I'd be screwed then. Oh yes...you have to pay for all snacks in the Lounge Car and for all meals in the Dining Car...the only exception being if
53 Azstar : You can thank, or blame, Southwest Airlines for this phenomenon. Before they arrived on the scene, most people couldn't afford to fly.
54 USAFHummer : Please tell me you are joking...
55 GayStudPilot : About what?
56 TUiflyer : I think this is probably a good move by F9, they are realistically looking at their costs and adapting to survive. When it comes down to it the overwh
57 EA772LR : Attack me personally, now that contributes so much to the forum...We disagree on a particular issue, and you take it personally...why is that again??
58 EA772LR : You're right
59 Post contains links TheGreatChecko : I'm going to repost the link for the benefit of those who don't want to read the previous posts: http://blogs.denverpost.com/travel/2...will-soon-sta
60 EA772LR : I totally agree.
61 Post contains images KingCavalier : There's been a lot of talk about nickel and diming, but I've never expected food on any airline. I don't expect to get free popcorn at the movies. I d
62 Max999 : And thank goodness for Southwest and all the LCCs that came after it. The LCCs along with airline deregulation democratized air travel for everyone.
63 MSYtristar : Did you have to go there? Nice post, and nice picture.
64 EA772LR : This is also a good point.
65 KingCavalier : I found your recent trip report that involved planes, trains and automobiles (Greyhound) very enlightening and entertaining. I hope your bus trip (ex
66 Xtoler : You'd be surprised what some people are into. I worked for a guy who was just as nuts over John Deere tractors as I am on aircraft. We used to make f
67 Xtoler : I was just thinking (oh boy here we go). I wonder how much they'd charge if the snacks were a sleeve of crackers and your choice of either potted meat
68 DC10Widebody : This is not going to be the downfall of F9. Ten years ago AS had comp meals in Y and today you are lucky to end up with a pack of mini pretzels in Y e
69 PlanesNTrains : If I buy a ticket on an airplane, I shouldn't have to worry about the food police. And as someone who is overweight, I don't need to be educated. I k
70 Surfrider1978 : whats next: - insert quarters to use the lav - $5 waste fee - $2 potable water charge - .50 per sheet of t.p. better yet, to save fuel costs, hook a r
71 AirframeAS : I dont know if you are REALLY a pilot, but obviously, you have no idea how weight and balance is calculated..... And your idea is ridiculous! Hey, th
72 Mariner : As in the other thread, your beef appears to be with airlines in general. Frontier is a very late arrival at this party. mariner
73 EA772LR : These are good points. I was really thinking in terms of the U.S. legacy carriers. The new LCC airlines like B6 and F9 are a step up from even the Le
74 Post contains links and images KingCavalier : The good 'ole days - http://www.departedflights.com/
75 JetBlueAUS : Exactly. At least Frontier isn't asking for you to purchase a box filled with penauts and nuts for $5. At least they are giving you a sandwich at $3.
76 WNCrew : So gas is increasingly expensive for the airlines (who already weren't in the best financial shape)....AND the public STILL expects to pay $79 to fly
77 AirframeAS : Just for the record, if memory serves correct, the F.A.A. considers each person on the plane as 170lbs each....not 125lbs.
78 SKORD : WN Crew. I am from the UK, and last year i took my 1st WN flight LAS_TPA. We were delayed by 4hrs due to winds at LAS, there were massive delays to al
79 LACA773 : Thankyou for a job well done, WNCrew! You know people can compare WN to riding a skanky Greyhound but let me tell you on the LAX-CHI runs, the cabin
80 AirportGuy1971 : Yep, and god bless them. Frontier Mark I blazed the trail and established a legacy. Their day (and their airline) are long gone. If you read on their
81 WNCrew : Thank you all for your positive comments! As for IFE, I have not heard of any sort of IFE.....BUT I do know we start the testing of the ROW 44 Intern
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