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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9095 posts, RR: 76
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3198 times:
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Hey guys,

I am in NRT at the moment and when I landed there I saw 9 NW aircrafts parked at the terminal... Is NRT somehow a hub for NW or am I missing something here? I saw several 330s and 744s and Cargo as well...

Where are they all coming from and where are they flying to from NRT?

Thanks for the answer...

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

I'm pretty sure they have at least a small hub there, but I don't remember what routes they serve there.


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9651 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3177 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Thread starter):

yea
TPE,GUM,SPN,ICN,PUS,NGO,PEK,PVG,CAN,BKK,SIN,HKG,KIX(?),MNL,SEA,DTW,HNL,LAX,SFO,MSP i think thats all......most are 1x daily



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9095 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3156 times:
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Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
TPE,GUM,SPN,ICN,PUS,NGO,PEK,PVG,CAN,BKK,SIN,HKG,KIX(?),MNL,SEA,DTW,HNL,LAX,SFO,MSP i think thats all......most are 1x daily

That's quite a lot indeed! I didn't know that! I will be back at the airport tomorrow evening, I will check the display board where they are all heading  Wink And then count NW aircrafts again Big grin

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User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3141 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Thread starter):
Is NRT somehow a hub for NW or am I missing something here?

Yes, NRT is a mini-hub for NW. I can't recall all of the cities that NW flies to from NRT, but it's extensive. Manila, Seoul, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok, Singapore (and more) come to mind, not to mention the U.S. mainland cities (and Guam and Saipan, too).

Here's a link with NW's route structure:

http://nwa.innosked.com/(S(cyzve4455...mxtlwryh55))/Default.aspx?show=MAP



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9095 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3132 times:
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Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 4):
Here's a link with NW's route structure:

http://nwa.innosked.com/(S(cyzve4455...mxtlwryh55))/Default.aspx?show=MAP

Thanks for the link, but it just shows where they are flying and not that they are stopping in NRT. It just say: MSP to SIN, direct line, no stop in NRT... But I guess if I want to book that flight I will get the information that it won't be a nonstop flight!

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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9651 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3105 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 5):

click on NRT but they dont fly to IAH

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 2):
yea
TPE,GUM,SPN,ICN,PUS,NGO,PEK,PVG,CAN,BKK,SIN,HKG,KIX(?),MNL,SEA,DTW,HNL,LAX,SFO,MSP i think thats all......most are 1x daily

forgot PDX



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9095 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3095 times:
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Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
click on NRT but they dont fly to IAH

 idea  There you go! Thanks man! NOW I do know  bigthumbsup 

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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

It's only been operating since the end of WWII. Not too recent  Wink

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User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3032 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 5):
Thanks for the link, but it just shows where they are flying and not that they are stopping in NRT. It just say: MSP to SIN, direct line, no stop in NRT... But I guess if I want to book that flight I will get the information that it won't be a nonstop flight!

Use the mini-map displayed in the corner to scroll the map until Japan is nearer the center of the map. Then select Tokyo and you'll see the destinations served from NRT.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9095 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3028 times:
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Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 9):
Use the mini-map displayed in the corner to scroll the map until Japan is nearer the center of the map. Then select Tokyo and you'll see the destinations served from NRT.

Like I posted further up: I found it! but thanks anyways...

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User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Where have you been? NW has a hub at NRT. (They've have it for a while)

Quoting WILCO737 (Thread starter):

Where are they all coming from and where are they flying to from NRT?

From there Effective April 8th Timetable:

From/To NRT:

City/Aircraft
BKK 332
CAN 757
DTW 744
GUM 333 and 757 (Guam)
HKG 744
HNL 744 and 333
ICN 332
LAX 744
MNL 744
MSP 744
NGO 757
PDX 332
PEK 332
PUS 757
PVG 744
SEA 332 and 333
SFO 332
SIN 332
SPN 333

Quite impressive..  Smile


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9095 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2995 times:
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Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 11):
Where have you been? NW has a hub at NRT. (They've have it for a while)

I have never been to NRT before! my 1st time, and I don't know where every airline on this planet is flying to!  duck 

Thanks for the info...

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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

By the way, the NRT hub is reffered to internally over there as the "Fugu" hub after the pufferfish...


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User currently onlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

In a related question, how much feed do DL and CO give NW for it's flights from NRT to Asia?

User currently offlinePanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 384 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

I know this wasn't the original question, but thought it would also be worth mentioning that United has a quite sizeable presence in NRT, too. Just in case you were wondering about the many UA aircraft at NRT...

Cities served to/from NRT, aircraft, and frequency:

BKK 777 daily
ORD 777 2x daily
HNL 777 daily
LAX 777 daily
SFO 744 daily, 777 daily
SEA 777 daily
SEL 777 daily
SIN 777 daily
IAD 777 daily

They acquired the right to serve NRT when they took over Pan Am's Asia operation in the late 80s.
Northwest was present in Japan way before that though... They weren't called Northwest Orient for nothing  Wink

UA used to have more flights to NRT (e.g. HKG, JFK, TPE), but I guess with the added benefit of having ANA as a Star code-share partner they crossed out a few flights.

All right, enjoy the Sushi  Smile

P.S.: By the way, don't take off from the incomplete runway when you leave NRT  Silly
I always think NRT is one of the weirdest looking airfields from above with all the gaps in the runways and taxi ways, lol.

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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Tokyo has been Northwest main Asia hub since before the Narita Airport was constructed.

Back in the 70's we called it Atlanta East because you could not go anywhere in the Far East with Northwest without changing planes in Tokyo.

[Edited 2008-04-06 05:51:52]

User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

More details on NW @ NRT:

001 NRT-MNL 744
002 NRT-LAX 744
005 NRT-PUS 757
006 NRT-PDX 332
007 NRT-ICN 332
008 NRT-SEA 332
009 NRT-PEK 332
010 NRT-HNL 744
011 NRT-HKG 744
012 NRT-DTW 744
014 NRT-MSP 744
019 NRT-SIN 332
020 NRT-MSP 744
021 NRT-BKK 333
022 NRT-HNL 333
025 NRT-PVG 744
026 NRT-DTW 744
027 NRT-CAN 757
028 NRT-SFO 332
029 NRT-PUS 757
074 NRT-GUM 333
076 NRT-SPN 333
077 NRT-NGO 757
082 NRT-GUM 757
086 NRT-SEA 333
001 LAX-NRT 744
002 MNL-NRT 744
003 MSP-NRT 744
005 PDX-NRT 332
006 BUS-NRT 757
007 SEA-NRT 332
008 ICN-NRT 332
009 HNL-NRT 744
010 PEK-NRT 332
011 DTW-NRT 744
012 HKG-NRT 744
019 MSP-NRT 744
020 SIN-NRT 332
021 HNL-NRT 333
022 BKK-NRT 333
025 DTW-NRT 744
026 PVG-NRT 744
027 SFO-NRT 332
028 CAN-NRT 757
030 PUS-NRT 757
073 GUM-NRT 333
075 SPN-NRT 333
078 NGO-NRT 757
081 GUM-NRT 757
085 SEA-NRT 333


User currently offlineSlips From Japan, joined Jan 2008, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

NW is the 3rd largest operator at NRT - after JAL and ANA. Based on the press release by NAA, NW Operates 157 flights per week, plus 33 cargo flights per week. This is about 11% of total NRT passenger flights, 12% of Total NRT cargo departures.
FYI, ANA group has 215 passenger flights + 15 cargo per week, and JAL group has 403 passenger + 64 cargo weekly. For United, their frequency is 77 passenger flights per week.

NW has the maintenance base at NRT. In addition, they have own catering facility at NRT.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9095 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2474 times:
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Quoting PanAmerican (Reply 15):
P.S.: By the way, don't take off from the incomplete runway when you leave NRT Silly

I won't! It's WAY too short for the MD11!!

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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2417 times:



Quoting Slips (Reply 18):
NW is the 3rd largest operator at NRT - after JAL and ANA. Based on the press release by NAA, NW Operates 157 flights per week, plus 33 cargo flights per week. This is about 11% of total NRT passenger flights, 12% of Total NRT cargo departures.
FYI, ANA group has 215 passenger flights + 15 cargo per week, and JAL group has 403 passenger + 64 cargo weekly. For United, their frequency is 77 passenger flights per week.

NW has the maintenance base at NRT. In addition, they have own catering facility at NRT.

Quiet impressive!! I knew about the maintenance base, but I had no idea they accounted for so much traffic.

Ineeded, they were not called Northwest Orient for nothing.  Smile Fly the Red Tail.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2043 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 19):
I won't! It's WAY too short for the MD11!!

It is also one heck of a long taxi to the Cargo apron and T1 when coming in from the south. Did it in December and I swear you come in over a house with a huge fence then land and taxi on a very very curvy taxi-way. 15 minutes later we arrived at T1 after having to go all the way south around T2.

Wonder what will happen after they extend this runway. Will they add a taxiway going north around the airport to T1?

When I first flew to NRT in 1993 (NW: ORD-NRT) there were red tails everywhere. It was very very impressive. The coolest part was walking off the plane and across the tarmac. I didn't fly on NW via NRT till last December.

I wonder how the next 10 years will be with NW at NRT. If they merge with DL then there would be the current slots plus ATL, an additional JFK slot (both DL and NW do not use their JFK-NRT slot, NW currently uses the landing slot with a different flight), an additional LAX slot (again DL is not using it...who knows why) and an additional HNL slot (like NW needs one and DL isn't going to enter the market).

Also post 787 coming into the fleet, will NW reduce flights or capacity at NRT?
My theory is no! They will split the capacity or will use NRT to launch new destinations that are too big to be ignored but too small for a non-stop from North America. I would love to see NW fly to Ulan Bataar or Vladivostok!

Something else that is interesting about NRT is that alliances have all consolidated at the wing of the terminal of the local partner.
T1 South is Star (minus NZ which will not leave T2 due to a long-term relationship with JL and CA which hasn't made a decision to move yet)
T1 North is Skyteam (minus China Southern which hasn't dedicated to a move yet)
T2 is OneWorld (minus BA which hasn't made the move yet).
Non-alliance carriers spread out between T1 and T2.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9095 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1973 times:
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Quoting Centrair (Reply 21):

Looks like you know NRT airport pretty well! Thanks for all the info! I'd love to see NRT at daylight but we arriving and departing always when it is dark  Sad
Somehow I like NRT airport! The taxiways are a little bit confusing if you are here for the 1st time! But if you know where you are and where you have to go, you'll be fine Big grin

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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6511 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1878 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 21):
I wonder how the next 10 years will be with NW at NRT. If they merge with DL then there would be the current slots plus ATL, an additional JFK slot (both DL and NW do not use their JFK-NRT slot, NW currently uses the landing slot with a different flight), an additional LAX slot (again DL is not using it...who knows why) and an additional HNL slot (like NW needs one and DL isn't going to enter the market).

Are you sure that the slots are route specific? I don't think they are, but I could be wrong. I do know that slots at other airports are NOT route specific, ie: LHR.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1786 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 23):
Are you sure that the slots are route specific?

You know I think I might have my slots and routes mixed up here.

I believe one of the sticking points for US-Japan aviation bilateral is NRT access and the route/slot allocation process related to the airport. US says that if there are specific landing/take-off slots at NRT and routes to NRT, then the US has the right to allocate them to US carriers in a bidding process and if a carrier discontinues the route, it and its corresponding slots can be reallocated as a set to a different carrier in a new bid. But Japan says that NRT slots are granted to carriers not the US government and are separate to the route authority. They also state that if an airline discontinues service to NRT the route is still held until a slot is opened and abandoned slot is put into a pool for carriers to bid on. This is regardless to if it is an incumbant or non-incumbant carrier.

This led to the major disagreement concerning NAA, FedEX and DL back in the 1990s. FedEX leased a route/slot to DL to fly JFK-NRT but when they discontinued it, NAA stated that the slot could not go back to FX even though FX had never really given up the slot. Instead the slot would go into a pool for bidding. Spat Spat Spat...leads to changes and clarification of the US-Japan bilateral in the late 1990s and further leads to the US now taking a position of pushing for open-skies with Japan.

If I got any of that wrong, please let me know. It is an ever learning process.

DL has route authority from JFK, LAX, HNL and ATL to NRT. They also have authority for mainland US to FUK and NGO. I don't know what happened to the JFK slots.



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