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Mergers: US / HP Merger - Three Questions  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2182 posts, RR: 13
Posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Three questions on that merger:

1) Which airlines with which aircraft act as commuter/express partner for the merged US Airways?


2) Is there any aircraft type in the merged fleet and that of its express partners that has no single plane in the new colour scheme?

3) What happened to the gates America West and US AIrways owned at airports? Sometimes they were at different concourses. Did they sell one or the other to be left with just one set of gates? Did they keep both set of gates and thus operate from two different concourses/Terminals?

Thanks for any insider information

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User currently offlineHamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

i can answer the first question:

from what i noticed, mesa airlines took over usairways express for the west coast ... at least

and the third question.. i noticed in IAD, PHX and BWI, that USairways and america west gates are all one. at least in BWI, usairways east were handling the ground operations for an america west operated airplane



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User currently offlineRW170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

1)

Air Midwest, a subsidiary of Mesa - Beech 1900D
Air Wisconsin - CRJ-200
Chautauqua Airlines - ERJ-145
Colgan Air - Beech 1900D, Saab 340B
Mesa Airlines - DHC-8-200, CRJ-200, CRJ-900
Piedmont Airlines - DHC-8-100, DHC-8-300
PSA Airlines - CRJ-200, CRJ-700
Republic Airlines - ERJ-170, ERJ-175
Trans States Airlines - ERJ-145

2)

I believe that no ERJ-145s are painted in the new US colors, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. No Republic 170s are painted in the new colors yet either, although the 175s have all been delivered in the new colors. If there are any others not painted in the scheme yet, I think they would only be Express. I believe all types in the mainline fleet have at least some planes painted in the new scheme. An interesting side note: there is an Air Midwest Beech 1900 still flying around with the USAir Express scheme from the early-mid 1990s.


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3)

As for gates, they were all consolidated. I don't believe you will find them spread out between concourses anywhere except at their hubs.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3623 times:



Quoting RW170 (Reply 2):
Piedmont Airlines - DHC-8-100, DHC-8-300

Piedmont has several -200's as well.......



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User currently offlineRW170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
Piedmont has several -200's as well.......

I don't think so. As far as I can tell, they are all retired. I can't find an actual link to post, but airfleets.net shows that they no longer have any -200s active, the last one having been removed at the beginning of March.

[Edited 2008-04-06 08:39:50]


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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

The Trans States ones aren't painted in the new color, at least not the ones that come to BDL. (usually from PIT)


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3420 times:



Quoting RW170 (Reply 4):
I don't think so

Well dang.... you're right.



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User currently offlineBkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3349 times:



Quoting Hamad (Reply 1):
from what i noticed, mesa airlines took over usairways express for the west coast ... at least

Mesa has always been on the West Coast for America West. Now it is not any different than it was before the merger. Also in PHX and this ties into AWE/USA parking at other airports, the east coast us airways planes park anywhere in T4. it used to be that the east planes would park at B-8-B12. Now also the gates are now shared by US and AWE at all airports.

As to regarding aircraft in new paint, there currently are no E170s yet. no 145s, no b1900s, mesas dash8s, crj2, crj9 all painted in the new colors. There are a few psa crj7s in the new colors, all air whisky crj2s are in the new colors.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8903 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3277 times:



Quoting RW170 (Reply 2):
As for gates, they were all consolidated. I don't believe you will find them spread out between concourses anywhere except at their hubs.

Not necessarily. One case is ATL - they both are on the D Concourse, but you'll often see US planes parking down by D1-D6 (the common use gates; HP used these back in their day) as US only has three gates and there are times they can't get all their planes in there.

Quoting Bkircher (Reply 7):
all air whisky crj2s are in the new colors.

I just saw an Air Whisky CRJ in the old c/s a week or two ago in GSO. I believe one or two of them were painted in the old c/s before the new livery was announced.


User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2902 times:



Quoting Bkircher (Reply 7):
it used to be that the east planes would park at B-8-B12. Now also the gates are now shared by US and AWE at all airports.

Yeah, and let me tell you how humorous it was sitting on the ramp watching a gate agent try and pull up the A14 jetway to an A321 for the first time.....couldn't figure out if she was supposed to go to L1 or L2.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4281 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2847 times:



Quoting Bkircher (Reply 7):
all air whisky crj2s are in the new colors.

Not true, Ships 406, 407, and 410 are in old colors everything else is in new colors. The reason for this is that those three planes came out of paint two days before US unveiled the new paint scheme. Even though everyone new the paint scheme would be changing, they would not allow these planes to be painted and in service before the official unveiling. I blasted people for this. In fact, I questioned why we just didn't put them in Star Alliance colors, since we were also flying for United at the time.

As far as old gates in some airports I will touch on that a bit. Gates B37 and B38 in BOS were the old HP gates before the merger, and as best I can tell these gates are at the moment unused. In MCO HP was handled by CO prior to the merger, so they never had any gates for themselves. In ORD, there was a bit of a gate shuffle in terminal 2, but B6 coming in also played a role. In DFW, the move to terminal E happened right at the same time as the merger, so all the old gates are probably MQ gates by now.


User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2842 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
I believe one or two of them were painted in the old c/s before the new livery was announced.

I think it's a safe bet that ALL of them were painted in the old scheme before the new scheme was announced  Wink



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23066 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2666 times:



Quoting RW170 (Reply 2):
I believe that no ERJ-145s are painted in the new US colors, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. No Republic 170s are painted in the new colors yet either, although the 175s have all been delivered in the new colors.

That's correct. I'm not sure PSA has any aircraft painted in the new colors either; I don't believe I've ever seen a CR7 in new colors.

Quoting RW170 (Reply 2):
I believe all types in the mainline fleet have at least some planes painted in the new scheme.

Also correct, though some fleet types have many more in the old colors than others.

Quoting RW170 (Reply 2):
As for gates, they were all consolidated. I don't believe you will find them spread out between concourses anywhere except at their hubs.

They're still on both E and F at ORD.



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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2479 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
I'm not sure PSA has any aircraft painted in the new colors either; I don't believe I've ever seen a CR7 in new colors.

Umm.... The vast majority of the PSA fleet has been painted in the new scheme, both -200's and -700's. How often to you actually see PSA aircraft?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23066 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2336 times:



Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 13):

Umm.... The vast majority of the PSA fleet has been painted in the new scheme, both -200's and -700's. How often to you actually see PSA aircraft?

Pretty often, and (off the top of my head) I've not seen a -700 in new colors. Wasn't 708 going to get repainted from *A to New Colors? And has it happened?



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

An aside question inspired from another thread: are US pilots still flying US planes on US routes, with HP pilots flying HP planes on HP routes, or have they started mixing things up yet?

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23066 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2299 times:



Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 15):
An aside question inspired from another thread: are US pilots still flying US planes on US routes, with HP pilots flying HP planes on HP routes, or have they started mixing things up yet?

Not exclusively, though 90 or more percent of ex-HP routes are flown by West and 90 or more percent of ex-US routes are flown by East.



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2148 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Not exclusively, though 90 or more percent of ex-HP routes are flown by West and 90 or more percent of ex-US routes are flown by East.

To clarify, west pilots are still flying west aircraft, and east pilots are still flying east aircraft. But as Cubsrule stated, the routes are a bit mixed up, with west operating some flights out of PHL and east operating some flights out of PHX. For example, I've done SAN-PHX on east a couple of times.


User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2082 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
Pretty often, and (off the top of my head) I've not seen a -700 in new colors. Wasn't 708 going to get repainted from *A to New Colors? And has it happened?

Not trying to be mean here, but you are WAY behind on what is going on with the PSA fleet and obviously not seeing them as often as you think. I'd say at least half of their -700's are painted and an even bigger chunk of their -200's have been repainted. I am in CLT every day several times going in and out of the express gates and see them over and over

*on a side note, we have out first two Dash-300's painted in the new colors at Piedmont. I flew both of them today and yesterday. They bring the us to just about 50% repainted now. And our management just informed us that 906HA, our first Dash-8 delivered will be repainted in our own heritage scheme which is the scheme it was delivered in. And here are some numbers to throw around...

N906HA:
Delivered: April 4,1985, s/n# 009
Total hours: 59,450+
Total cycles: 67,300+
It is the highest time Dash-8 in the world
Oldest aircraft in both US Airways and US Airways Express fleet



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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1244 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2016 times:



Quoting Bkircher (Reply 7):
As to regarding aircraft in new paint, there currently are no E170s yet. no 145s.

No plans to paint the E145s as CHQ will be sending them to fly for another operation - can't recall when. The E170s also won't be in new colors - RPA is repainting them in their own livery so they may pick where to fly them based on whichever operation needs them.

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 18):
*on a side note, we have out first two Dash-300's painted in the new colors at Piedmont. I flew both of them today and yesterday. They bring the us to just about 50% repainted now. And our management just informed us that 906HA, our first Dash-8 delivered will be repainted in our own heritage scheme which is the scheme it was delivered in. And here are some numbers to throw around...

Great news! I'm sure I'll see it in PHL daily. Thanks for the heads up.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23066 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1968 times:



Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 18):
Not trying to be mean here, but you are WAY behind on what is going on with the PSA fleet and obviously not seeing them as often as you think.

While I certainly can't give you a ratio for the -200s, I don't think it's that high. Keep in mind that nearly all ZW aircraft are in the new colors, and there are probably 5-10 old colors CR2s per bank around CLT (which are nearly all JIA birds).



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User currently offlineRW170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1911 times:



Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 19):
No plans to paint the E145s as CHQ will be sending them to fly for another operation

Trans States also flies the 145 for USX, so we could still see them in the new paint eventually.



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User currently offlineScoobyd75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

No none of the E-145's are painted in the new colors yet and most of the dash 200's are painted in the new colors and at least one dash 300 is painted in new color as well. There is also still at least one air Wisconsin flying around in the old colors.

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