Sm92 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 131 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 908 times:
FYI!!!!!
Airlines want new 250-seat jet, engine maker says
By Chris Stetkiewicz
SEATTLE, Feb 14 (Reuters) - The world's airlines are clamoring for an all-new mid-sized commercial jet, according to engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney, though
neither of the two major airplane makers are offering one.
Sales of 250-seat aircraft have slowed in recent years, which may signal airline dissatisfaction with the options available: Boeing Co.'s (NYSE:BA - news) 767 and Airbus Industrie's [ARBU.UL] A330, each
of which is based on 20-year-old designs.
``Do I think there's a possibility that the world wants a new 200- to 250-seat airplane? I think the answer is yes, and I think it's only a question of when,'' said Robert Leduc, executive vice president at Pratt
and Whitney, a unit of United Technologies Corp. (NYSE:UTX - news).
A month ago Toulouse, France-based Airbus shelved plans to build the proposed A330-500, a derivative jet that some airline executives privately deemed too heavy and too expensive to operate.
Seattle-based Boeing has said it was studying an all-new mid-sized jet, but had yet to move beyond the drawing board.
To date Boeing has not identified new technology that would significantly improve performance or lower the cost of the 767 line, said Randy Baseler, Boeing commercial airplane marketing chief, seated
alongside Leduc at a conference hosted by investment bank SG Cowen.
``We continue to look at airplanes across the whole product line,'' Baseler said. ``Mostly what we are looking at ... is how to design, build and produce these airplanes for significantly less.''
Singapore Airlines Ltd. on Wednesday said it would buy 10 widebody Boeing 777s, noting that the 325-seat jet was bigger than what it really wanted.
Baseler agreed that interest in so-called ``middle market'' airplanes was building after two years of subpar sales.
``There are a few campaigns here and there. Airlines are starting to focus on that. We will see some campaigns this year,'' Baseler said. ``With our present (jet) models, we think we are pretty well
positioned.''
A handful of European airlines are looking at mid-sized jet orders this year, Leduc said, notably Germany flag carrier Lufthansa (quote from Yahoo! UK & Ireland: LHAG.F), which may buy both passenger and
freighter airplanes.
But airplane orders in general are scarce this year, after a surprisingly strong showing in 2000. Many analysts predict Boeing and Airbus will book about 750 orders combined in 2001, down from over 1,100
last year.
``Narrowbody-wise, clearly a potential large order from America West (NYSE:AWA - news), maybe as many as 60 airplanes needed,'' Leduc said. ``Outside of that we don't see a really big narrowbody
order in North America. There are other campaigns, but nowhere near that quantity of aircraft.''
Leduc said he was surprised by a spike in jet orders from leasing companies and a record-setting order for 94 narrowbody 737s from all-Boeing discount carrier Southwest Airlines Co. (NYSE:LUV -
news), which boosted orders to an unsustainable level in 2000.
Picarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 294 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 814 times:
Gee, since Pratt knows what airlines want, I think it shoud commite the $4+ billion (conservative) it would take to develop a completely new airframe.
What an absurd statement by P&W. There's a lot of life left in both the 767 and A330 series.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7560 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 819 times:
I have this feeling that Boeing may be studying a 767 replacement using a shortened 777 fuselage but with all-new tail surfaces and an all-new, more efficient wing. This is definitely NOT the "777-100" proposal Boeing floated around some years ago.
It could become the basis of the "787" project that will allow AA and UA to retire their older 767's and may be the type of plane LH and SQ are looking for as an A300/A310 replacement. This plane would also be very popular with charter airlines, that's to be sure.
Critter_592 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 798 times:
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13667 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 788 times:
I posted this but people ignored it! Oh never mind
Anyway, yes this is what caused SIA to get 777s as their wasn't a middle market plane. However, i won't complain and I am quite happy of the outcome.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 748 times:
People seem to be ignoring the fact that two middle market planes are available, the A330-200, and the 767-400ER/ERX.
Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1768 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 712 times:
Cba just made one of the points I was going to make about the 764 and A330 and Ray made a point I had been thinking about a shortened 777, tho I think they would not give it a 787 designation, but something different, ie:747SP. This may be a move to back to a position of slightly less frequency with higher capacity planes in many markets. To me the 764 models would be the perfect fit, but perhaps a shortened 777 would still offer more cargo capacity. It seems the airlines might have recently forgotten the tru role the DC-10/L-1011 have played for almost 30 years.
I would rather wait an extra 30 minor so and have a widebody in markets such as LAX-ORD/DFW/DEN rather than this MD-80/737/A-319 that UA and AA throw in the schedule every hour or so.
Maybe NW will wake up before it is too late and join in and add some 764's to truly replace the 10-40s on domestic segments.
King767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 667 times:
Good point Cba! But what I think airlines want is not the large 764 and A330, but the smaller 762, and 763. All Boeing has to do is redesign the wing (Which they are reviewing now).
-Tom, The King of The 767