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Rumor: Star Carriers Moving In With UA At LAX?  
User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

I heard a rumor that some Star Alliance carriers will be moving into UA's terminal at LAX this year. Anyone heard if this is true?

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7578 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5904 times:



Quoting Rolo987 (Thread starter):
I heard a rumor that some Star Alliance carriers will be moving into UA's terminal at LAX this year. Anyone heard if this is true?

I would say that theres no way in hell that the star carriers could fit in T7 with them. Its already packed to the brim.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25173 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5830 times:

Nice rumor, but serious doubt it,

1) TBIT Star carriers just finished spending lots of money of their new large lounge and are committed to spend more as part of the continuing TBIT remodel and upgrades.
2) UA is gate constrained as is certain parts of the days, and additionally really does not have that many widebody FIS gates available to handle multiple overlapping activity.
3) UA LAX is not in the business of 3rd party handling with barely being right staffed on the ramp and customer service for their own activity. In the past LH had been handled by UA, but in short order went back to TBIT
4) Air Canada has ownership stake in T-2 and earns strong income from this. Cant see them walkaway unless if their stake was bought out for a large sum. Even in Air Canada bankruptcy the carrier did not sell its share of LAX-2.
5) US Airways just finished a multi million renovation of its facilities in T-1 as part of combining facilities with America West. Additionally leaving T-1 would mean handing Southwest whom has been constrained at LAX carte-blanche to expand at the airport.



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User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

6) AirNZ won't want to give up their special transit space in T2


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User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5665 times:



Quoting Axio (Reply 3):
AirNZ won't want to give up their special transit space in T2

Special Transit Space?


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9612 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

I personally think NZ moving to T6/T7 would be very beneficial for them as many people make connections with UA. Yes they also codeshare with other airlines, but think that they would really benefit from collocating with UA.


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User currently offlineEta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

About as much truth in that rumor as there would be in airlines jumping in line to be handled by DL again at LAX.

LH and NZ (LAX-SYD nonstop only) both tried it with UA and let's just say they won't be running back.


User currently offlineJcavinato From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

Alliance carriers moving in at key airports around the world means that it will be very hard to divorce from the brand. It is better for the traveler, and it brings more and closer conveniences. But, if one were merged with another, or decided to go their own way or another way, it would be quite a barrier to exit.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4824 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5419 times:



Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 4):
Quoting Axio (Reply 3):
AirNZ won't want to give up their special transit space in T2

Special Transit Space?

NZ2/1 AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL pax in transit don't have to clear customs/immigration and can instead remain in the gate-lounge... I understand that there are only 3 services at LAX that are allowed to do that... it certainly makes LAX a simpler process for those pax that get to do so.



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User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5322 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
I understand that there are only 3 services at LAX that are allowed to do that

Are the other two for French pax on AF and TN continuing on to Tahiti?


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5287 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
NZ2/1 AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL pax in transit don't have to clear customs/immigration and can instead remain in the gate-lounge... I understand that there are only 3 services at LAX that are allowed to do that... it certainly makes LAX a simpler process for those pax that get to do so.

Intersting to know. Until now I was under the assumption, that no sterile transfers at any U.S.-airport were possible.

Why was this not possible for RG when they flew GRU - LAX - NRT which was their most profitable route ?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
1) TBIT Star carriers just finished spending lots of money of their new large lounge

This is a really nice facility.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
continuing TBIT remodel and upgrades.

Once the new Immigration area is completed (or is it already ?) immigration for visitors at TBIT should become less hassle compared to what it can be a present. I have experienced 0 to 60 minutes waiting times down there ...
-HT



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User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4947 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
NZ2/1 AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL pax in transit don't have to clear customs/immigration and can instead remain in the gate-lounge... I understand that there are only 3 services at LAX that are allowed to do that... it certainly makes LAX a simpler process for those pax that get to do so.

and dont forget the newly renovated koru lounge !!!



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4824 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4877 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 10):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
NZ2/1 AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL pax in transit don't have to clear customs/immigration and can instead remain in the gate-lounge... I understand that there are only 3 services at LAX that are allowed to do that... it certainly makes LAX a simpler process for those pax that get to do so.

Intersting to know. Until now I was under the assumption, that no sterile transfers at any U.S.-airport were possible.

Why was this not possible for RG when they flew GRU - LAX - NRT which was their most profitable route ?

Probably something to do with NZ pax flying from one visa-waiver country to another (New Zealand-LAX-England) vs AFAIK all South American countries require a visa to transit the US?.
There were other factors also but it does make a big difference to NZ... NZ could of course route all UK/Europe flights via Asia instead of the US which is something I'd imagine the US would prefer not to happen.

Quoting Rolo987 (Reply 9):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
I understand that there are only 3 services at LAX that are allowed to do that

Are the other two for French pax on AF and TN continuing on to Tahiti?

Yeah I think one or both are used also.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

Whilst from a practical point of view it would make lots of sense to have all the carriers under one roof, lets ne honest this is not going to happen. I have been through UA's terminal at LAX on many occasions and its packed to the gills. Even if dccarriers wanted to move there, it just cannot accomadate them.

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

There is no possible way that any combination of Terminals 6, 7, and 8 (the terminals United uses) could handle:

LH - FRA (2x)
LH - MUC (1x)
LX - ZRH (1x)
OZ - ICN (2x)
NZ - AKL (2x)
NZ - LHR (1x)
NZ - NAN (3x/wk)
NH - NRT (1x)
SQ - NRT/SIN (1x)
SQ - SIN (1x)
CA - PEK (1x)
TG - BKK (1x)
US - CLT (4x)
US - PHL (5x)
US - PHX (8x)
US - LAS (7x)
AC - YVR (4x)
AC - YYZ (4x)
AC - YUL (1x)
AC - YEG (1x)
AC - YYC (3x)

Squeezing 50+ more flights (many international wide-bodies) into UA's terminals would cause a meltdown.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3815 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 8):
NZ2/1 AKL-LAX-LHR-LAX-AKL pax in transit don't have to clear customs/immigration and can instead remain in the gate-lounge...

Yes and No. It is true that transiting passengers are held in a Transit room but there are CBP Officers there to clear Immigration formalities. The passengers are exempt lining up in the traditional Immigration lines. If CBP has a Baggage issue, they will pul it of the plane.



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