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Allegiant Future Expansion?  
User currently offlineAirbusaddict From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 415 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

Well after all the cuts and things that have been made off of routes that cant make a profit, that means some of Allegiant's planes are going to be freeing up. I know some days they have their aircraft parked at almost all of their bases, but would Allegiant have any future route expansion or something coming up soon?

I could imagine some more expansion out of Las Vegas, not with a lot more routes, but with some more frequencies. Don't know about Tampa. And the other stations besides Ft. Lauderdale could probably see some more expansion too, but very slow going.

I've always thought why don't they add more Frequencies out of Las Vegas, or even allow some connections to California only or something. Some destinations that do very well are:

Rockford
Bellingham
Peoria
Des Moines
Sioux Falls
Cedar Rapids

Alot of these routes have frequent flights. I guess Im just curious how well Plattsburgh and Redmond are doing since they have a real small population.


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User currently offlineCorsair1107 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

Hope they don't over-extend. I had somehow missed Allegiant coming to BWI and was pleasantly surprised by one of their pretty liveries coming in over Route 100 while I was driving past yesterday afternoon.


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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2268 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

I have read somewhere that they might start a 4th focus operation in Florida. My guess would be the RSW area. I would like to see them start a southern California focus city, BUR would be a good choice. As for more frequencies they do seem to add them when they seem fit. I know at some points in the year (like around spring break) we here at CID go daily to LAS, other times like late fall into the holidays we go 5x weekly to LAS (normally we are at 4x weekly). SFB for us here also increased to 3x weekly spring spring break. I would like to see 3x weekly to SFB year round but I suppose 2x weekly is enough for us to support. IWA I think could be upped to at least 3x weekly for us in CID. (I think it did go to that during spring break as well).

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

There have also been rumors (and hopes?) of a destination city in Southern California. Maybe the opening of the "Phoenix" station has changed the probability of that happening but I would think the chances for California are better than those for another Florida city... SAN and LA have a lot of vacation/leisure travel appeal.

Of course I'm not holding my breath for much of anything to happen soon; I think we will see a lot of "treading water" by Allegiant (and the entire industry for that matter) for a while.

bb

[Edited 2008-04-06 18:43:52]

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

I would imagine that G4 will slow growth until this turbulent economy gets better. The upper levels at G4 are very smart, and it shows in their numbers. I too would not ming seeing BLI get an increase in flying. Not sure how that city is doing as far as filling the seats.


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User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1089 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4925 times:



Quoting Corsair1107 (Reply 1):
had somehow missed Allegiant coming to BWI and was pleasantly surprised by one of their pretty liveries coming in over Route 100 while I was driving past yesterday afternoon.

If G4 was in BWI, it was for a charter. BWI will most definitely not be a station for G4 anytime soon.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

I'm expecting some announcements over the next 2 weeks.

My guess is that we should look for new cities with short stage lengths to existing destinations. Allegiant is reducing its stage lengths to manage fuel costs.

Personally, I'd like to see them build on their existing relationships in RNO. They currently have arrangements with 10 hotels in Reno because of the BLI-RNO route. A case could be built for adding flights from some of the existing LAS route cities to Reno also.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
I have read somewhere that they might start a 4th focus operation in Florida. My guess would be the RSW area.

I don't know for sure if it is RSW but the rumors are the west coast of Florida. So RSW seems possible, having been to Punta Gorda I just don't see enough there for Allegiant.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
There have also been rumors (and hopes?) of a destination city in Southern California.

Those rumors seem to center on SBD or SAN.



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User currently offlineDelta767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4899 times:

Any chance they would return to GSO with the demise of Skybus?

User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

This may just sound stupid...

..but I have heard from a family member that Manhattan, KS, or MHK, has been in talks with an airline to provide service to an "international hub." Could this be LAS with service from Allegiant? Just putting in what I have heard.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16793 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

Trenton Mercer Airport in New Jersey would be a great addition IMO,for the following reasons.

1.) it's closer to NYC than Newburgh.
2.) It's situated adjacent to Mercer County NJ and Bucks County PA, two very affluent areas
3.) Princeton University nearby
4.) conveinent to Northern Philadelphia suburbs
5.) Excellent highway access to I-95
6.) It's almost exactly mid way between NYC and Philly

Flights to Ft.Lauderdale, Orlando/Sanford, and St.Petersburg would do very well for G4 from TTN.



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User currently offlineRSWA330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4839 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):
I don't know for sure if it is RSW but the rumors are the west coast of Florida. So RSW seems possible, having been to Punta Gorda I just don't see enough there for Allegiant.



Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
I have read somewhere that they might start a 4th focus operation in Florida. My guess would be the RSW area.

It would make my year if G4 came to RSW!


User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4803 times:

I wonder if they would be interested in serving Punta Gorda, I'm guessing that if any skybus routes had success it would have been that one.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

Any new cities/routes will be under 900 miles. G4 execs have said before they don't get enough revenue to offset the additional hour of flight on longer legs.

Quoting Spinkid (Reply 11):
I wonder if they would be interested in serving Punta Gorda, I'm guessing that if any skybus routes had success it would have been that one.

My guess is that Allegiant would want a little more distance from PIE if they added another Florida city.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4767 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
Any new cities/routes will be under 900 miles. G4 execs have said before they don't get enough revenue to offset the additional hour of flight on longer legs.

sm or nm?


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4761 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):
Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
There have also been rumors (and hopes?) of a destination city in Southern California.

Those rumors seem to center on SBD or SAN.

They would consider going to SBD?? That would be neat but I don't know if there is any need out of Norton AFB when ONT is not too far west on the 10 freeway. I would love to see them at ONT more often I also do love seeing them at IFP it is so cool to seen an MD-80 or an SY B738 come into that little airport.

Ryan


User currently offlineAirbusaddict From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

It would be really neat to see them start a Cancun Focus City and have destinations like CID and DSM and stuff. But that would really mean the airports they serve that are somewhat smaller would have to pay for immagration. Haha, that would be really awesome though.

Other Focus Cities For Florida could be:
Jacksonville
St. Augustine (Skybus Terminal still there)
Fort Meyers
Key West
Cocoa Beach? Probably not Cocoa Beach

I would really like to see them have a northeast US focus city, near New York and Boston, maybe Hartford?



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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

From http://www.wifr.com/home/headlines/17463989.html:

Quote:

Allegiant Air Purchases Six New Planes
Posted: 11:49 AM Apr 10, 2008
Last Updated: 11:49 AM Apr 10, 2008

( Information provided by Allegiant Airlines)

(LAS VEGAS)-- Allegiant Travel Company (ALGT: NASDAQ) announced today its wholly-owned subsidiary, Allegiant Air, LLC, has agreed to purchase six MD-80 aircraft and three spare engines currently on lease to FlyNordic, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Norwegian Air Shuttle. The seller is a subsidiary of Finnair, the original operator of the aircraf

Four of the newly purchased aircraft are expected to enter revenue service for Allegiant in the first and second quarter of 2009 and the remaining two aircraft are expected to enter revenue service in the first quarter of 2010.

Let the speculation begin. I say they announce a new Canadian origin city in the near future..just a hunch  Wink



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4387 times:



Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 15):
I would really like to see them have a northeast US focus city, near New York and Boston, maybe Hartford?

I don't know about a focus city. I'd like to see them up serve somewhere close to Boston, but for some reason neither ORH or PSM were able to work. However, I remember seeing a thread about BOS being a hub, but that was a while ago, nobody believed it would be one, and nothing has come of it. BGR and PBG are WAY too far away for me. CEF might work, but if PSM didn't then CEF probably won't either. Maybe they would return to PSM given Skybus's success there?



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User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4357 times:



Quoting Delta767 (Reply 7):
Any chance they would return to GSO with the demise of Skybus?

Yes, they just announced they will not pull out now in May as had been announced. Good news for GSO.


User currently offlineDerridd From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Allegiant will be taking over in OKC when Champion pulls out on May 31. Will operate 4X weekly to LAS and 2X weekly to Cancun and Puerto Vallarta through the summer, and then keep the Vegas routes through the Fall and Winter.

User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4322 times:



Quoting Derridd (Reply 19):
Allegiant will be taking over in OKC when Champion pulls out on May 31. Will operate 4X weekly to LAS and 2X weekly to Cancun and Puerto Vallarta through the summer, and then keep the Vegas routes through the Fall and Winter.

Excellent News! Will OKC-LAS be scheduled service or through Worry Free Vacations/MLT as it is currently?



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4258 times:



Quoting Derridd (Reply 19):
Allegiant will be taking over in OKC when Champion pulls out on May 31. Will operate 4X weekly to LAS and 2X weekly to Cancun and Puerto Vallarta

Any chance Allegiant will pick up the ex-Champion Mexico flights out of DFW ? Would make sense.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4234 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Trenton Mercer Airport in New Jersey would be a great addition IMO,for the following reasons.

TTN's runway is muh too short I think for flights to Florida, unless it hsa been lengthened since the late 1990s.


I hope they dont over extend. They need to hold off on growth until the economy improves


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4224 times:



Quoting Airbusaddict (Reply 15):


Key West

That would be great, but they'd need another 3000ft or so of runway! RSW seems like a good fit for Allegiant, especially for the Midwestern markets. If PSP wasn't so seasonal, that might be a good option for SoCal.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4213 times:



Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 21):
Any chance Allegiant will pick up the ex-Champion Mexico flights out of DFW ? Would make sense

Havent they gone to Frontier?



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25 727LOVER : Runway & NIMBY problems I believe. Explain. You mean the facilities or the population? If it's the latter, I don't agree. They is plenty of populatio
26 Derridd : Will be through MLT/WorryFree for now. They had a full summer schedule already booked on Champion with several LAS flights for June and July already
27 Cadet57 : ORH diddnt work because Worcester airport is in a crappy spot. its out in the country side rather far away from the city with no highway access. Id v
28 AirframeAS : For a good winter ski destination (places like Breckenridge, Copper Mountain, Winter Park, Vail, etc etc..) DEN & COS would be a great addition that G
29 STT757 : TTN main runway is 6,000ft long, which is about 300 ft longer than Orange County SNA from which CO flies nonstop to EWR with 737-700s. Eastwind was f
30 KcrwFlyer : Check out the takeoff distance required by a 738 vs that of an MD-80. They would take weight restrictions every day from a 6,000ft. runway and things
31 G4LASRamper : I thought G4 already flies to COS and FNL from LAS. Doing COS from any of the Florida bases is probably too long a stage length given G4's feelings a
32 FATFlyer : Its not about the population within 50 miles, it is about the tourist demand INTO an area in Florida. Remember Allegiant is not like Skybus, G4 is lo
33 FATFlyer : Personally I see Reno/Tahoe happening first for the ski destination.
34 Pilotfox : What about ATW, I think they are in talks.
35 STT757 : There are other airports that G4 flies from that have similar sized runways as TTN, such as; Santa Maria (6,300 ft) Bellingham (6,700 ft)
36 A318 : How about ISP? I know NYC isn't exactly right next door but it's close enough.
37 AirframeAS : I highly doubt that as RNO currently has very high landing fees and gate space fees at their airport. Hence as to why WN or F9 pulled out or reduced
38 Airbusaddict : What about marketing off Monterrey as San Francisco?
39 StarAlliance38 : I would love for Allegiant to expand, but they're kinda expensive. IF ameneties cost more and I've heard that their planes aren't really "top of the l
40 FATFlyer : Allegiant already operates BLI-RNO and already sells packages for most of the major hotels. The relationships are there to grow the market. It was al
41 ATCRick : You have a source of this info to share?
42 Post contains links Derridd : http://www.worryfreevacations.com/pl...tschedule/origin.do?originCode=OKC I have not seen it published anywhere else yet.
43 Post contains links FATFlyer : ATCRick, check the Worry-Free Vacations schedule here, it shows G4 doing the routes as he said. http://www.worryfreevacations.com/pl...tschedule/orig
44 COERJ145 : What about BED? I know it has a small terminal, but still, it would be nice to some air service out of there. Plus I live 10 minutes from there, woul
45 KcrwFlyer : SMX-LAS is only 269nm, a 40-50 minute flight. 6,300ft. is more than enough for such a short hop. BLI-LAS is actually a little longer than TTN-SFB, bu
46 AirframeAS : Do you have a source for that? That is not what I heard....
47 FATFlyer : About F9 leaving Reno? Here's one
48 YNGguins : I may be biased in this thought, but I truly believe it's time to increase the freqency of Youngstown to Sanford OR add a new flight from Youngstown t
49 Airbusaddict : Allegiant has one of the best low cost airline Models out of any other low cost carrier that serves Smaller Cities. Thats why they are getting really
50 NWA ARJ : There is talk that Allegiant is going to add FAR-SFB sometime coming up.
51 BOStonsox : BED has a huge NIMBY problem. They would be lucky to get into there. I would like to see OWD (Norwood Airport) get service but the runways are too sh
52 Jetmatt777 : A little off topic, but about the Cancun flights out of OKC and back, how does the Customs work? I'm pretty sure we don't have on-site facilities, exc
53 Osprey88 : G4 has actually added MRY-LAS 3x weekly beginning May 30th, and I hope to be on the first flight. As for marketing the flight as SFO, I highly doubt
54 G4resagent : An ATC tower isn't always necessary... FNL doesn't have one. They also don't have Alamo on site (which is who we partner with). They do have Hertz an
55 AAflyguy : I think PSP is so seasonal because that's what everyone continues to think/believe, including the airlines. PSP is not much different than PHX as far
56 Jeb94 : I'm thinking FAR-SFB might be a little on the long side with fuel prices the way they are. I could be wrong though.
57 FWAERJ : I'm awfully surprised that G4 hasn't started EVV-SFB and/or PIE yet... they could do a great job on that route with the lack of competition. There's o
58 NWA ARJ : If you look at the distances Allegiant already serves from Fargo: IWA-FAR: 1059 nautical miles LAS-FAR: 1045 nautical miles And to fly from SFB-FAR i
59 Joeljack : Does anyone think we could see OMA to SFB, TPA, FLL or other places not served by southwest? Allegiant went to OKC and flew to LAS until WN started se
60 FATFlyer : Allegiant has been cutting the lengths of flights due to fuel costs. That is why some longer routes to LAS were cut. Allegiant's current average stage
61 Airbusaddict : Lincoln is too close, plus Omaha is probably to big. The largest market Allegiant serves is Fresno. They have a metro of about 1 million, plus they h
62 Joeljack : Yes I know, they wouldn't go to LAS or IWA, just Florida and Maybe SAN or RNO. Like I said, really an outside of the box thought but with SFO and SAN
63 G4resagent : It could be argued that BLI (Vancouver) with a 2.25 million population and PBG (Montreal) with a 3.36 million population are the largest cities Alleg
64 SANFan : To me, the whole BLI-SAN/SFO-thing confuses the G4 "plan"; we have a "small" city being the destination while 2 big cities are the originating points.
65 TWAGuy : I believe the flights stop at DFW to clear customs on the return from Mexico.
66 G4resagent : BLI is the originating city. SAN and SFO will be like the destination cities in we don't expect much north bound traffic. We expect most traffic to b
67 Ssides : I don't think that will be a problem. Allegiant has a history of having very stringent performance standards for its routes; if they don't generate e
68 FATFlyer : Waco was a different reason. The local FBO raised the fuel handling fee that Allegiant expected to pay. At the last minute Allegiant was told the fue
69 MOBflyer : With all the hotel and casino arrangements, I can't help but believe that future expansion will not atleast include RNO, GPT, and to a lesser extent,
70 ATCGOD : I personally would like to see another BOI-LAS nonstop route. WN has the only non-stop and I just can't bring myself to fly on WN anymore.
71 G4resagent : BOI-LAS may get another nonstop, but it won't be Allegiant. BOI is served by WN. Enough said.
72 SANFan : Your response, G4resagent, pretty much supports my "confusion" about this move by Allegiant (at least in my opinion.) In this single case, we have mu
73 G4resagent : To be honest, the guys over in planning make me even wonder. They all know what they are doing, so I just go with the flow.
74 Af773atmsp : I wonder if DLH-SFB or RST-SFB will be a possibility for G4?
75 FalconBird : Maybe G4 and some of the other airlines should restructure their route structure like Delta to include international, or more international routes?
76 Post contains images G4resagent : Because Delta is the world's greatest airline...   I think Allegiant is profitable as it is... why change it?[Edited 2008-04-23 16:42:51]
77 Airbusaddict : It depends on if they are going to be able to make a profit on those routes. Plus, who knows how much the fees are at RST or DLH. Maybe there isnt en
78 Post contains links and images TransIsland : They've been doing an awful lot of flying (charters, I assume) to Nassau/Bahamas lately... I certainly wouldn't mind if they became a permanent and sc
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