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Airbus O&D The End Of March  
User currently offlineJPRM1 From France, joined Aug 2007, 78 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

Airbus announced a total of 54 orders for the month of march and 48 deliveries.
Gross total at the end of Q1/
302 aircraft of the A320 family
115 of the A330/340 family
3 x A380.

In the same time, 25 cancellations
Total deliveries at the end of march: 123.

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User currently offlineHawkerCamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Airbus now have 395 net orders for the year after Q1. Amazing. This is without Farnborough and the usual end of year rush! Could they do 1000+ again?

51 A330s so far. Another year with 100+ A330 is feasible/likely. Tankers excluded.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4151 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Here we go:

Private Customer* 2 x A319
Private Customer 2x A318, 1x A319
CIT 7x A319, 8x A320, 5x A330-200
Private Customer* 1x A319
Private Customer 1x A350-900
Virgin America 2x A320
AirAsia X 10x A330-300
China Southern 10x A330-200
Finnair 1x A330-300
Aer Lingus 4x A320

Total:
2x A318
11x A319
14x A320
15x A330-200
11x A330-300
1x A350-900



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9841 posts, RR: 96
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4659 times:
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Quoting HawkerCamm (Reply 1):
Airbus now have 395 net orders for the year after Q1.

Nearly a year's worth already.........

And we still know there's loads of pending orders floating about (Grupo Marsans still notable by its absence..)

Quoting HawkerCamm (Reply 1):
51 A330s so far. Another year with 100+ A330 is feasible/likely

And how many sporting RR rotating hardware?  Smile

Regards


User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4589 times:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 2):
Aer Lingus 4x A320

Interesting that the 6 330s and the 6 350s are still not firm, but the 320 which were announced later are.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4560 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):

And we still know there's loads of pending orders floating about (Grupo Marsans still notable by its absence..)

But if the economic outlook heads further south those floating orders might just float away....



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9841 posts, RR: 96
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4512 times:
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Quoting SEPilot (Reply 5):
But if the economic outlook heads further south those floating orders might just float away....

Some will, but a lot of them won't.
And many of those that will are likely to be resuscitated once the next upturn comes. Over the next 20 years, air travel is only going one way.
As it happens, both OEMS would probably appreciate a little bit of slack just now..
Their supply chains might appreciate it even more..  scratchchin   Smile

Rgds


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4492 times:



Quoting JPRM1 (Thread starter):
In the same time, 25 cancellations

Can add 65 skubus aircraft to that list now



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4442 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 6):
As it happens, both OEMS would probably appreciate a little bit of slack just now..
Their supply chains might appreciate it even more..

Probably true. Also, the airlines would appreciate being able to order a plane today and get it a year and a half from now, instead of five or six years. Reminds me of an interview with the Boeing CEO back in the late 80's (I think it was) when they had an immense backlog, and he was asked if it was a good thing. His answer: "Well, yes, considering the alternative."



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User currently offlineHawkerCamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4434 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Can add 65 skubus aircraft to that list now

I would expect those slots to get snapped up very quickly. Airbus can sell the slots as new openings instead of pushing orders forwards.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4419 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Can add 65 skubus aircraft to that list now

That won't appear for at least 6 - 8 months, easily. Cancellations don't happen overnight, and Skybus is to go into Chapter 11 first. Airbus is still a creditor however, but freeing up 65 A320 family slots probably isn't causing huge consternation in Toulouse right now....


User currently offlineVirgin747LGW From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

ok, i see the orders for March but where are the delivery details?

User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4377 times:



Quoting JPRM1 (Thread starter):
3 x A380



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 2):

Total:
2x A318
11x A319
14x A320
15x A330-200
11x A330-300
1x A350-900

What happened to the A380s?



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4366 times:



Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 12):
What happened to the A380s?

They were booked last month, the totals JPRM1 gives are for the first quarter of 2008 -

Quoting JPRM1 (Thread starter):
Gross total at the end of Q1/
302 aircraft of the A320 family
115 of the A330/340 family
3 x A380.



User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4357 times:



Quoting Moo (Reply 13):
Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 12):
What happened to the A380s?

They were booked last month, the totals JPRM1 gives are for the first quarter of 2008 -

Ok, that makes sense. I should have read the post more carefully.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21420 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

277. That's a good quarter. Looks like Airbus and Boeing are going to have another solid year even if a global slowdown curtails sales as the year progresses. Both should at least book 600-800 orders.


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User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4295 times:



Quoting JPRM1 (Thread starter):
Airbus now have 395 net orders for the year after Q1.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
277. That's a good quarter.

 Confused



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9841 posts, RR: 96
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4116 times:
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Quoting JPRM1 (Thread starter):
Total deliveries at the end of march: 123.

I've just noticed from the Airbus website that it delivered 39 A320 Family aircraft ths month....
That's awesome!
Surely that's a record....

Also A330 orders now stand at 921 frames, with 533 delivered. The backlog approaches 400......

Rgds

[Edited 2008-04-07 18:01:58]

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4097 posts, RR: 90
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4060 times:
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Quoting Moo (Reply 10):
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Can add 65 skubus aircraft to that list now

That won't appear for at least 6 - 8 months, easily. Cancellations don't happen overnight, and Skybus is to go into Chapter 11 first. Airbus is still a creditor however, but freeing up 65 A320 family slots probably isn't causing huge consternation in Toulouse right now....

This may come as a surprise to some but there are no pending cancellations from Skybus at this stage.

All 2008 and 2009 A319 delivery slots have been placed already. They are for an Asian leasing company but the carrier which is receiving them is not yet public.

It is not until 2010 that any Skybus slots are freed up for direct delivery to other carriers or the possibility on cancellation. Production of the A32X series is expected to be 40 per month in 2010 and Airbus are comfortable that the Skybus frames for 2010 will be placed too.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3186 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4043 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 18):
This may come as a surprise to some but there are no pending cancellations from Skybus at this stage.

Why would Skybus cancel them when they could make a few bux selling the slot rights to other carriers  Wink



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9841 posts, RR: 96
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4028 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 18):
Production of the A32X series is expected to be 40 per month in 2010

They managed 39 last month - without the Chinese FAL  biggrin 
4 of those were on one day  Wow!

Rgds


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3950 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 18):
This may come as a surprise to some but there are no pending cancellations from Skybus at this stage.

Sorry, that was meant to be my point  Smile

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 18):
Production of the A32X series is expected to be 40 per month in 2010



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 20):
They managed 39 last month - without the Chinese FAL biggrin
4 of those were on one day Wow!

Ahh, different metrics strike again - production and delivery are two different things, 39 *delivered* in a month doesn't mean 39 were *produced* that month, just that they had 39 to deliver  Smile


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9841 posts, RR: 96
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3946 times:
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Quoting Moo (Reply 21):
Ahh, different metrics strike again - production and delivery are two different things, 39 *delivered* in a month doesn't mean 39 were *produced* that month, just that they had 39 to deliver

Understand that. But to be delivered, they had to be produced.  Smile

If we keep seeing 39 type numbers, they must be producing at that rate. Here's to this month's figures  champagne 

Rgds


User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3943 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):
And how many sporting RR rotating hardware?

I would say 50 of them ... Since I know that AY made the mistake and took the GE engine.. Just because their current MD11 fleet has the same engine model. But older variant.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4097 posts, RR: 90
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3845 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 22):
If we keep seeing 39 type numbers, they must be producing at that rate.

I can confirm the A32X Series production rate for 2008 is 36 per month. 40 Per month in 2010 will include China*. On other models 11 x A330 per month for 2008 going to 12 per month in 2009 and 10 more A380s are confirmed for delivery in 2008 leading into 26 in 2009.

* Don't forget Airbus and Boeing run to different production schedules over the year

I do not have a link to all of that information but I offer it as my informed opinion.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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25 JerseyFlyer : No A 318s for BA yet for its LCY - NYC service - or will these be converted from existing 320 series orders?
26 Columba : With possible orders from AF-KLM, BA, QF and LH for the A350 and other airlines for the A330 as well as some additional A32x this really could happen
27 Astuteman : Although they seem to be stuggling to get past 7 per month so far this year (only 19 A330/A340 delivered in 3 months). Can't wait to see the delivery
28 Moo : Existing customer - its the Korean order booked last month.
29 PanAm_DC10 : Not yet but it is expected that the A319-100 will be certified this year for services into LCY. Regards, PanAm_DC10
30 Columba : Thanks, I did not know that Korean has placed an additional order last month. Must have missed that somehow.
31 Osiris30 : Yes, and what's wrong with trying to look after your creditors as best you can?
32 Columba : Because I don´t think Skybus has anything to say right now what is done with their delivery slots, aircraft etc,since it is all part of liquidation
33 Osiris30 : They filed chapter 11, not chapter 7, which gives them a much larger say in what happens to their assets. They are still an ongoing concern (i.e. the
34 PM : 32 1 x GE (Finnair) 4 x PW (TAM) 14 x ?? (CIT x5, BOC x5, Libyan x 4) 32 x RR (Matlin Patterson x6, Hawaiian x6, Air Asia X x10, China Southern x10)
35 Zvezda : It looks to me like both Airbus and Boeing are likely to have 1000+ orders each this year. This seems to confirm that the six A330s financed for SQ we
36 Ikramerica : I misread the first post. I saw "gross" in front of A320s, and read it as gross orders total. 277 seemed low, since I thought they had more orders th
37 SEPilot : It depends a lot on what happens in the economy, and on oil prices. Personally, I think the economy will recover and oil prices will go down, as the
38 Moo : The issue with the oil price is that its actually only artificially high because of the depreciation of the dollar - out here in non dollar zones, it
39 SEPilot : And if it wasn't for all the speculators buying up the futures the price would be lower yet; from what I've read the supply and demand would put the
40 Ikramerica : It's still expensive. It's just not as high as it is in dollar terms. Oil is still much higher to everyone. It's just a matter of: "is is 60% more ex
41 Post contains links Zeke : JL is only expect 750 this year, what do you know that he does not ? Are you going to buy 250 aircraft ? "Airbus COO, John Leahy, has upgraded the ma
42 LH506 : which means that they will hardly sell anymore aircraft until the end of this year. 395 booked 100 missing Dubai order 40 missing A330s from last yea
43 Astuteman : JL is being decidedly coservative, these days.... On the other hand, if he expects a slew of cancelled orders due to economic downturn, he might inde
44 Ikramerica : This may be the crux of it. there are a lot of orders that might be wiped off the books. Boeing has the same problem, which is why I think 700-800 is
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