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Is UAL Looking At Starting UAX In Hawaii?  
User currently offlineJonathanDavis From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7827 times:

The rumors spinning around OGG right now is that one of the main reasons why United pulled out of buying Aloha Airlines, is because UA is in Kahoots with Mesa aka GO! and might start Mesa's United Express or even United's TED to compete for the inter-island market towards Hawaiian Air! I had to start this topic and ask the question to the aviation community out there at airliners.net. Is UAL looking at starting up a inter-island service between the islands to compete with Hawaiian Air?  Wink

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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7814 times:



Quoting JonathanDavis (Thread starter):
UA is in Kahoots with Mesa aka GO!

I don't believe that for a second. UA owned a 15% stake in AQ. As much as I'd love to see it, I don't see UA starting anything with their own metal in HI, and I don't think Go! will be around long enough to matter.


User currently offlineJonathanDavis From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7730 times:

true, i heard mesa stock is down also

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7730 times:



Quoting JonathanDavis (Thread starter):
even United's TED to compete for the inter-island market towards Hawaiian Air!


The A320's would never last doing inter-island hops...



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7711 times:



Quoting United_Fan (Reply 3):
The A320's would never last doing inter-island hops...

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It will be interesting to see what UA are planning on doing in the Islands though. They are the main player from the mainland and will want consolidate that with inter island connections. How they do it is anyones guess.


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7684 times:

I could maybe see UAX starting interisland with AT7's or DH4's but definately not Mesa CRJ's.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7618 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 5):
I could maybe see UAX starting interisland with AT7's or DH4's but definately not Mesa CRJ's.

 checkmark Any jet smaller than a 190 is probably a license to lose money. It would not go well. A little birdie told me, however, that UA was looking at the DH4 recently...



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User currently offlineJonathanDavis From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
"A little birdie told me, however, that SA)">UA was looking at the DH4 recently..."


and that is exactly the rumor going around at the Kahului Airport (OGG), is that SA)">UA is shopping and is interested in doing their own interisland express and using not United employees, but either MESA ground handling the UAX or their own contract service department because now, AQ is shut down, and so is parts of their contract service i.e. ATA used to be ground handled by AQ , and now both AQ and TZ are shutdown. It created lots of space, gates and other possibilities just at the OGG facility. It is also, a huge coincedence that 3 airlines shut down the same week, due to lenders and high fuel costs and the other problems going around like maintenance issues with WN, and/or SA)">UA 777s, DL/AA MD-80s, in my eyes are gas guzzlers, something is going on, I believe the airlines are all trying to cut fuel costs at any means possible.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Think UA has been looking at the q400 because of KASE performance issues. Now that F9 has them probably even more incentive. Whether UA would want to exPlus them is another question.....

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4023 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

Why bother? All they have to do is codeshare with HA. No risk and all benefit.



AZJ


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6941 times:



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 9):
Why bother? All they have to do is codeshare with HA. No risk and all benefit.

Ding. I think we have a winner.

CRJs of any kind on interisland flights are a money losing proposition. Why deal with Mesa when HA offers your customers more flights, larger aircraft, 1st Class, Better terminal for connections, etc.

HA already codeshares with AA, DL, NW, CO, etc. Why not add UA to the list.

If UA wanted to have Mesa fly their interisland they would NOT have strengthened their alliance with AQ. They would have ended it and switched to go!

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

I wonder if UA would consider partnering with Mesa to have Go! branded as a United Express operation. A brand would probably help GO! get more passengers and the frequent flyer program would really benefit Mesa. UA could get connections within Hawaii. I would guess that it would be an at risk type of operation, but it might make sense.

As for UA sending its own planes to Hawaii, I doubt that would happen.



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6670 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11):
I wonder if UA would consider partnering with Mesa to have Go! branded as a United Express operation. A brand would probably help GO! get more passengers and the frequent flyer program would really benefit Mesa. UA could get connections within Hawaii. I would guess that it would be an at risk type of operation, but it might make sense.

As for UA sending its own planes to Hawaii, I doubt that would happen.

See this was my exact thought. I see United flight 5678 operated by GO airlines.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6639 times:



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 10):
HA already codeshares with AA, DL, NW, CO, etc. Why not add UA to the list.

UA had an exclusive agreement with AQ, and is the largest operator to the Hawaiian Islands (at least they were a couple years ago, don't see how that could have changed). That was a worth a lot to them, hence the 15% stake they bought less than a year ago. I don't see them grouping in with 4 other majors...but stranger things have happened.


User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

What about Air Mike/CO? They are already big players in and around the Pacific. Would they bring Cape Air over with the ATR's to provide interisland service with seamless connections to GUM and maybe points West?

Chris



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6603 times:



Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 13):
hence the 15% stake they bought less than a year ago.

UA did not buy anything in AQ, they were given the stake for free -- in return for an expanded commercial agreement.



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User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

UA has agreements with WP, now if they still had the Q400's... Wonder if they could get some back soon?

User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Something has to be done. There is a big space left wide open for the taking in HNL with AQ and TZ gone. Now the question is who will be the winner in getting these spots. Mesa could and I mean Could put more CRJ's in and pick up the empty slots and flights that AQ and TZ left behind. However, Mainland to Hawaii flights are going to be out of this world for a round trip ticket with these 2 carriers gone.

Chuck


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6451 times:



Quoting JonathanDavis (Thread starter):
or even United's TED to compete for the inter-island market towards Hawaiian Air

Not going to happen. Why would UA dedicate some of its important A320's which have transcon range to 20 minute inter island hops?


User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6357 times:



Quoting B757capt (Reply 12):
See this was my exact thought. I see United flight 5678 operated by GO airlines.

Thats GO Jet base out of STL not Mesa GO!


User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 743 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6334 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 19):
Quoting B757capt (Reply 12):
See this was my exact thought. I see United flight 5678 operated by GO airlines.

Thats GO Jet base out of STL not Mesa GO!

Too bad UA5678 is a SkyWest number!  Smile


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1545 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6334 times:

Personally, I think what happened to AQ was a travesty. Mesa will eventually get run out of there, but its a shame that an airline that has been in business over 50 years goes belly up dues to an intentionally money losing competitor. Almost makes one think we need regulation again...


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6316 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 20):

Too bad UA5678 is a SkyWest number!

Hey I was only going by what 757 said. I really don't know SKW numbers. All I know is the LOF(Transtate) and ASH(Mesa) are in the 7 and 8 thousands for UAX  Smile


User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

UA doesn't need another fight on their hands for the little amount of revenue to be gained by flying interisland. They don't have the equipment that can withstand the rigors of the high cycle 20 minute flights. The UAX possibility with go! could be in the works as it would seem unlikely that UA would throw in with HA, the number 2 carrier between the mainland and Hawaii. UA Express would help go!, but only if they were to fly larger, more economical aircraft than the CRJ's.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

Would be great if UA started some form of interisland service. We could use our 5000 milers again to fly RT between the different islands the same as we used to do with Aloha Air.  airplane   veryhappy 


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
25 T prop : The way Mesa stock has been tanking. UA may want to wait and see what happens with them before they work on any deals.
26 Aloha73G : Another reason to deal with HA! They are financially strong. -Aloha!
27 EXAAUADL : UA doesnt need to do anything...they serve HNL, OGG, KOA, LIH on their owmn from LAX and SFO. I could perhaps see a SFO or LAX to Hilo with 757. But
28 Bobnwa : I don't think there is such a thing as financially strong US carrier today. Please elaborate why you think HA isn't the same as the other carriers.
29 B757capt : Yes I'm well aware of the difference trust me! I was speaking of the Go Airlines as in Mesa's division. Sorry to insult the SkyWest folks!!!!!! SkyWe
30 OOer : Skywest has been moving many E120s from the DL side to the UA side of the operation.... Could we see UA asking OO to start some UAX flights in the isl
31 Aloha73G : Well, they made a profit last year, albeit a small one, but a profit even though they were losing millions interisland as a result of go! -Aloha!
32 Azjubilee : Everyone is completely missing the fact that there was a bloodbath in the inter island market. The bottom line is that Go! started a fare was charging
33 OOer : Out of the blue....any chance someone could start a Skyteam connection for interisland flying. DL, NW, CO, and KE could all provide feed to it, could
34 Aloha73G : All codeshare with HA. An interisland airlien based only on connections would fail. AM and PM flights are primarily locals while mid day traffic is p
35 OOer : Well of course the locals could just buy tickets on them....just like people can buy tickets on just DLC or NWAirlink on the mainland....however they
36 Azjubilee : I'd be willing to bet code sharing with HA is far more profitable for NWA, DAL, AA and Co than if they were to operate their own feeder operation. See
37 Aloha73G : The chances of this happening are 0%. Interisland flights in Hawai'i are such a specialized market. The types of aircraft which are suited tot he rou
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