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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

I personally never saw this one coming!

Are we likely to see Aer Lingus join Star in the future?

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINWEB105920080408?rpc=44

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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

It would be nice to see UA in Ireland but I'm very pleased with the codeshare, Aer Lingus have been building up a number of alliances recently, the BA/AA is still going strong, they have kept the KL agreement at ORK and DUB and the B6 online partnership went live on aerlingus.com last week.

Quoting UAL777UK (Thread starter):
Are we likely to see Aer Lingus join Star in the future?

I think Aer Lingus is happy as they are and they only left oneworld a year ago but you never really know when it comes to Aer Lingus.

[Edited 2008-04-08 05:23:21]

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

Does this mean revenue sharing too?

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Well since Aer Lingus has gone daily San Francisco, they serve Chicago, Los Angeles and intend to start Washington it makes sense.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4591 times:



Quoting AS739X (Reply 3):
Well since Aer Lingus has gone daily San Francisco, they serve Chicago, Los Angeles and intend to start Washington it makes sense.

They started IAD last August, loads are not great but SFO is doing very well.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4535 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 4):
They started IAD last August, loads are not great but SFO is doing very well.

Well, Lets hope that now with a UA codeshare, those will improve as customers can now make connections to UA's very vast network.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

I would assume also this puts paid to any notion that UA might jump into the Ireland market on their own metal, even if it was 757's out of IAD?

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4379 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 4):

Thanks, I'm behind the curve on their other service, just to excited to see the Shamrock here daily! I figured SFO would be a good one and the summer heavy season hasn't even picked up yet!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12599 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4185 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Thread starter):
Are we likely to see Aer Lingus join Star in the future?

I'd say it's unlikely; one of the reason EI left OW was that it would have had to spend a considerable amount on computer systems, which it felt was unnecessary. I don't think EI views these extra costs (which would presumably be similar with Star) as adding too much. Much better to be independent and to pick and choose which airlines it deals with.

I think that the B6 and UA deals, combined with (a) the expected deal with RE and (b) its overhaul of its inflight product, now under way, EI will be a very effective and successful t/a carrier.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Hmm. I guess we have an answer to the question "Does LH care about B6's deal with EI?" Apparently not, since now EI is codesharing with UA. What I find interesting is that now the ORD-DUB flight is codeshared with both AA and UA. I wonder if EI can do similar to AP where they codeshare a lot with *A without joining it. I wonder why AP is not a member of *A, could it be like EI where their model doesn't work with it?


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3962 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 1):
It would be nice to see UA in Ireland but I'm very pleased with the codeshare, Aer Lingus have been building up a number of alliances recently, the BA/AA is still going strong, they have kept the KL agreement at ORK and DUB and the B6 online partnership went live on aerlingus.com last week.

I know QF and EI still have Frequent Flyer agreements together, but does EI codeshare on any of the QF services? I would have thought it would have made sense for EI to put their code on the QF LHR-SIN-Australia services, specifically Sydney and Melbourne.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
I'd say it's unlikely; one of the reason EI left OW was that it would have had to spend a considerable amount on computer systems, which it felt was unnecessary.

Literally, having to upgrade it for JAL - no other reason. Otherwise they'd still be in the alliance.



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User currently offlineCallBell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3722 times:



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 10):
Literally, having to upgrade it for JAL

I think having to upgrade it for Royal Jordanian was the reason. It would have cost a huge amount of cash, and EI saw very little benefit from this. Better to pick and choose who it codeshares with/links reservations with , than to have to do it with every Alliance partner regardless of benefits.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

That's funny. I thought it was because they had restructured themselves into an LCC and therefore it wasn't, in their own words, "relevant". Although maybe the computer system went against their new model. Hadn't they codeshared with US before? I could remember a few years ago looking at flights from places in the US to SNN or DUB and a few involved a change of planes from a US aircraft to an EI aircraft in BOS.


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User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3593 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12):
That's funny. I thought it was because they had restructured themselves into an LCC and therefore it wasn't, in their own words, "relevant".

That was the nice way of saying it. The real reason was the cost to upgrade the computer system.



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1741 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3531 times:



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 6):
I would assume also this puts paid to any notion that UA might jump into the Ireland market on their own metal, even if it was 757's out of IAD?

UA's 757 does not have the range to fly IAD-Ireland, as IAD is too far south. UA will not send the 757 on TATL missions. If anything, service would be on a 767, and where this a/c would potentially come from is anyone's guess.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

I dare say EI would appreciate a little feed via UA at IAD. Everyone says loads and yields are low. BTW, it isn't like EI is going all out in marketing around the DC area. Sometimes I'll hear a radio ad for them at about 2 AM, but I haven't seen any billboards, print ads, etc. So possibly some feed from United would help the route out a little.

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3359 times:



Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):
Sometimes I'll hear a radio ad for them at about 2 AM, but I haven't seen any billboards, print ads, etc. So possibly some feed from United would help the route out a little.

Aer Lingus need to market some of it's routes a bit better, DXB was the first EI route east and there wasn't much advertising at all, it managed to get loads of 70% but yields were low and apparently only made money on cargo. I suppose IAD needs a bit more marketing but the UA deal is certainly welcome news.

Here's a photo of one advert I found:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16658021@N07/2384258772/


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3218 times:



Quoting CallBell (Reply 11):
I think having to upgrade it for Royal Jordanian was the reason. It would have cost a huge amount of cash, and EI saw very little benefit from this.

As far as I was told, it was due to JAL, however barring hard evidence, it could have been due to RJ as well as they're on a totally different computer system to the rest of the alliance (as is JAL for that matter - most of the rest are on Amadeus)



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Now ORD-DUB is codeshared with both AA and UA. I wonder if the LAX flight is too. Maybe there will be more ORD flights? I wonder what AA thinks about this.


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2956 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 8):
I'd say it's unlikely; one of the reason EI left OW was that it would have had to spend a considerable amount on computer systems, which it felt was unnecessary.

Although poor old ASTRAL has got to die sometime - it's going to be WAY more expensive when IBM switches all the legacies over to Z-TPF in 2009 or whenever - and programmers to look after those old systems are getting fewer and further between.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 17):
(as is JAL for that matter - most of the rest are on Amadeus)

We'll get you, my pretty JL, and your little RJ too - EEEEEHEHEHEHEehehehe !!!!  Smile

CX have yet to migrate to Amadeus but they have signed the contract - I don't think there is a firm date yet though. And of course, don't forget there's AA...  Wink


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