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20 Years Ago Today, PSA's Last Day (Pic)  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4380 posts, RR: 12
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11949 times:

Hi everyone,
It was a loooong time ago, and at the time I had a girlfriend working for the airline. She flew me down from SEA to RNO for the weekend. And not knowing, on the way back, I was on PSA's last flight. Everyone was given these certificates. I remember it was a beautiful day flying over the West coast.
Anyone else has one of these?
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e329/bonbonturc/172_7240.jpg

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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11899 times:

wow..lucky you..i still wish PSA and Air cal were still around

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11785 times:



Quote:
I wish PSA and Air cal were still around

Right there with you!! A lot of names disappeared in the go-go you-were-nobody-unless-you-had-acquired-another-airline merger-mania-hysteria late 1980's, some to the benefit of the larger airline (Western into Delta), while others were disasters from the moment of sale (AirCal to AA, PSA to USScare).

However, Southwest Airlines managed to acquire the books and business plans of PSA before dying and took them to heart. In doing so, WN has become the legitimate successor to PSA and their unique strategies of flying. As monotonous as it may occasionally seem watching the endless line of 737's lining up for landing at SAN, I have to remind myself that WN is, in many ways, PSA without the "Pacific" or the smile on the liner.

PSA, you will ALWAYS be missed down here!!  cry 



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24814 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11784 times:

Its indeed sad how AA and US managed to destroy two successful franchises and loose their very strong market positions out West.

Indeed like PanAm747 mentions, we now have SWA as the #1 California carrier, luckily providing similar reliable, frequent and friendly service up and down the state as AirCal and PSA managed very well.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6074 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11785 times:
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I flew on PSA only once (twice if you count the round trip), but I sure loved that smile on those planes. I always enjoyed seeing their hot air balloon at the Balloon Fiesta in Albuquerque, NM. I still have my balloon pin from them.


My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2065 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11570 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 2):
I have to remind myself that WN is, in many ways, PSA without the "Pacific" or the smile on the liner.

Except WN flies to something like 40 more cities east of the continental divide than PSA?  Wink

I was an AirCal fan myself. I grew up with them and to a lesser extent, PSA. I still remember walking out the doors at SJC and up the stairs to get on the PSA BAe 146 for a trip to LAX or SNA.

Thanks for the memories...


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11506 times:



Quoting Chrisair (Reply 5):

Except WN flies to something like 40 more cities east of the continental divide than PSA?

Remember, WN also started as an intrastate carrier.



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User currently offlineSurfrider1978 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11487 times:

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A tribute to the smiling skies!


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

Growing up in Orange County, I was a big Air Cal/PSA fan. I mostly would fly them SNA-SJC.

But indeed, WN has replaced (and moreso) the service that those two airlines provided, thanks to the ineptness/incompetence of AA and US.


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11292 times:

I grew up hanging around the PSA hangar in the 1960's as my uncle was a mechanic for them. Great memories indeed. My sister went on to became a reservations agent for them as well. PSA was my family. I miss them.

Once deregulation set in, they should have expanded to Texas from California first and then up the coast to the Northwest. Would have made them much stronger but WN did it first and they are the ones to still be around.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11250 times:

My wife has a pair of the plastic wings with the bobby pin in back from PSA...you know, the ones that all the airlines used to give to the kiddies. I think it's left over from a band trip that she took in high school...(we were both class of 1990). It features a Boeing nose with a smily face  cheerful 


Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11207 times:



Quote:
However, Southwest Airlines managed to acquire the books and business plans of PSA before dying and took them to heart. In doing so, WN has become the legitimate successor to PSA and their unique strategies of flying. As monotonous as it may occasionally seem watching the endless line of 737's lining up for landing at SAN, I have to remind myself that WN is, in many ways, PSA without the "Pacific" or the smile on the liner.

The poster of the information captioned above is on the right track but had a few factual issues I wanted to clarify.

First of all, WN folks generally feel that being compared to PSA or being viewed as the successor to PSA is quite a compliment, as PSA was a very good airline in so many ways.

However, WN didn't "get PSA's books before they died" per se.

What happened was back in early 1971...when it finally looked like Southwest would get airborne.....the boys in Dallas were looking at buying some used aircraft from PSA.

While the proposed sale transaction was on the table.....PSA invited the Southwest guys out to California to have alook at the operation from every angle, look at the manuals, that sort of activity.

Even then Southwest did not put all their eggs in one basket....they were talking to McDonnell-Douglas about some DC9-30s as well as some "white tail" Boeing 737s that were parked awaiting buyers (Aloha & AirCal had refused to take delivery of them, due to a slowdown in the airline industry).

In fact it was while the Southwest folks were in Long Beach that Boeing contacted them to notify them that their offer had been accepted.....4 B737-200s at $4 Million each, Nothing down, $50,000 per month per aircraft, interest pegged at prime + 1.5% as I recall.

Once there was no possibility of a sale of aircraft, the information exchange pretty well dried up. Southwest and PSA weren't on bad terms, it's just that PSA figured it was no longer in their best interest to continue to tutor the Texans on how to run an efficient and successful intrastate airline.

Southwest borrowed a number of PSA concepts that worked - cash register ticketing and a tape recorded flight manifest - and discarded some that didn't work well in Texas - buy the ticket on board, for instance. Southwest even went PSA one better....PSA had advised WN to turn their aircraft in 25 minutes and WN eventually shaved that to 10 minute turns between flights...all the while running a 98.7% on time record (within 5 mins of schedule).

Southwest's manuals, though, were not PSA manuals. The Station/Res/Ground Ops manual, for instance, was written by a guy who had left TTa/Texas Intl....so for some strange reason the Southwest manual greatly resembled the Texas Intl manual with some PSA techniques integrated in to it.

What really told the tale was around 1982 or 1983 when PSA and Southwest were going head-to-head between ABQ and LAX. Southwest basically ran PSA out of Albuquerque. Whether it was price, or service, or a combination.....who knows?

Some of the things that came back to bite PSA were the L-1011s they had bought, the rent car agency they squandered money on, same deal with the radio stations they purchased, plus they let their labor costs get away from them.

But they were a great company, and their intrastate service at low fares was instrumental in paving the way for deregulation and the fact that nowadays, almost everybody flies.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11146 times:

Wow, shows how young I am!

They shut down EXACTLY 6 months before I was born...

Loved the smilie faces though!



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6074 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10811 times:
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 4):
I always enjoyed seeing their hot air balloon at the Balloon Fiesta in Albuquerque, NM. I still have my balloon pin from them.

Here they are...
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My mug slaketh over on Falstaff N503
User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10719 times:
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I grew up in north San Diego county and my sister went to college in San Francisco. Many times we / she / I made the trip north and south. One time, my Mom, my little sister and I vacationed in SF for two weeks. On the way up, we won a 6' loaf of sourdough bread. They started paging our seat number and my Mom was freaking thinking something was up (we were already in the air), and then down the aisle comes this major loaf of bread. That we had to carry into town on the airport bus, and then across Union Square and then up to my sister's apartment. We had a great giant sandwich for her college sisters and got to meet them all. Such a good memory.

Our trip home was on The Lark, the overnight train between San Francisco and Los Angeles. It had been announced that it would be shut down the following fall or winter and my mother wanted her 'modern' children to have a taste of the past. It was also great fun.

And unfortunately, I also remember the dark September morning that took its terrible plunge into North Park along with 135 passengers and seven people on the ground.

A nice mice of sweet and sour memories.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10667 times:



Quoting Surfrider1978 (Reply 7):



A tribute to the smiling skies!

Yes, it is a tribute. Too bad the airline making the tribute is as far away from what PSA represented as to make the "tribute" nothing more than a sad joke.


User currently offlineAeronut7424 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9582 times:

I, too, fondly remember AirCal/PSA. I frequently rode them to job interviews and for offline jumpseating, most frequently in/out of SNA. What a great airline service provided by airlines throughout the West Coast. They were the best of their time
aside from WN. I also remember the PSA balloon at the ABQ Balloon Fiesta. I really miss both carriers.
Thanks to all for sharing this topic.


User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9352 times:

I wonder what PSA would be like if they were still around today? What would their fleet be like and where would they operate? Would they have maintained a small interstate carrier? or would they have branched out nationally?

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

I too miss PSA and AirCal. I always loved going to SNA and seeing all the different PSA and AirCal airplanes. The one thing that drives me crazy though is that there is a regional carrier that US has back east called PSA Airlines, how ridiculous considering what PSA actually stood for Pacific SouthWEST Airlines. What also gets me is how little if at all the PSA Retrojet actually comes out west. I have only ever seen that airplane at FLL and I know very few if any know what PSA is or was. I remember about 3 years ago I was at a hobby shop in Plantation, FL and they had 2 of the new at the time PSA MD-80's from Minicraft. While I looked over the die cast airliners I could hear an older man probably in his 50's or older look at them and ask the clerk "Who the hell is PSA?" So we do not get the honor of having that A319 in PSA colors out here, what a shame. They should have used a 757 with winglets for the PSA retro scheme, that would have looked really awesome. LONG LIVE PSA and AirCal!!!! Oh yeah and for those of you that might remember how about the old Sunworld and Royal West, I know I'm dating myself.

FX1816


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

I think anybody that can mention "when flying was fun," has to include in that same sentence the airlines PSA/AirCal. Growing up in the S.F Valley just north of L.A and spending many a day running around BUR and all the other L.A basin airports, people use to love to fly and the airlines and their employees made the trip just as worth it.

I think through the early to mid into late 80's, airline travel from the west vs. east coast was so vastly different and a great part of that was that out west, people just simply enjoyed traveling so much more because of the airline options we had. My parents use to speak of this so much, and my dad would never dread business trips up/down the west coast because he knew who'd he be flying, but anytime and as often as they were, if he flew to the east coast or anywhere else in the U.S., it was a dread and that started with the airline choices for his trip. I think that general notion of how different flying could be from one coast to another some 10 to 20 years later has led to many conversations here on a.net and debates/discussions when we talk about mergers/trip reports/gen business regarding airlines today. Flying out west has always been like this and just so much more laid back and enjoyable that I hope that this simple element of flying commercially isn't lost as airlines and their employees face the financial conditions today and for the next couple years ahead of us.

FX1816 - great mention to a couple other smaller airlines that tried as well to make it, albeit while having fun and enjoying it, but Sunworld and Royal West were a couple great little airlines that fell by the wayside out west. On that note, I have to add then one more and hate that they ever were bought, but RenoAir and their RNO family that created a hometown airline that the big boys just couldn't leave all alone, dAAmn to some and those that have their fingers in the cookie jAAr is all I will sAAy. RenoAir was great! It was the first and only airline that my parents, with convincing, financially became heavily involved with and were so proud to have found and be a part of, RenoAir was just great to fly and almost always, fun to be had.


User currently offlineB737100 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Re the PSA retro jet, a year ago or so, US Airways was using gate 23 at SAN and I saw it parked at the gate for a night flight going east, it felt so nice to see her in San Diego, and I remember saying to myself, you are home where you belong! Then I saw it again 1 or 2 more times that week taking out the same night flight, PIT I think..and really enjoyed seeing it. Now US doesn't use that gate anymore and I just see the new (white top) and old (dark top Stephen Wolf) US paint jobs, rare to see a logo jet here these days, at least when I'm on my night shift. The smile is done right (I think they fixed it) but the way the colors run up the tail doesn't look quite right....


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4302 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9001 times:



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Yes, it is a tribute. Too bad the airline making the tribute is as far away from what PSA represented as to make the "tribute" nothing more than a sad joke.

Look closer at the picture, it's an actual PSA 737-200. As I also associate PSA more with the 727, MD-80, 146 and Electra, at first glance I also thought it was the US Airways tribute A-319 so I can understand your missighting.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8386 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 21):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Yes, it is a tribute. Too bad the airline making the tribute is as far away from what PSA represented as to make the "tribute" nothing more than a sad joke.

Look closer at the picture, it's an actual PSA 737-200. As I also associate PSA more with the 727, MD-80, 146 and Electra, at first glance I also thought it was the US Airways tribute A-319 so I can understand your missighting.

Thanks for catching my mistake.

I've seen the US "tribute" aircraft at DCA often, and every time I do, it makes me alternately angry and sad.


User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Not to put a damper on the thread, but in September of this year will also be the 30th anniversary of the mid-air Crash in San Diego where PSA 182 went down. A friend and I once visited the crash site. It's amazing how close that thing came to hitting the 805 freeway.

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6431 times:



Quoting Socalfive (Reply 23):
Not to put a damper on the thread, but in September of this year will also be the 30th anniversary of the mid-air Crash in San Diego where PSA 182 went down. A friend and I once visited the crash site. It's amazing how close that thing came to hitting the 805 freeway.

Man, that 727 hit a mile from my house on the route I always road my bike to high school (Nile St). I was there within 5 minutes looking at pieces of airplane until the police blocked everything off. The fire was very intense, 6 or 7 houses in flames, power lines down everywhere. God it was awful. 30 years ago, huh?. Wow, seems like yesterday.

As a true a.netter though, I was on a CO 727 heading for IAH 5 days later. Gotta get back on that horse!



Uncle SAN at your service!
25 Socalfive : Yeah, 30 years doesn't seem to last as long as it once did. I didn't live in San Diego back then but I remember that front page picture of it going d
26 Coronado990 : Thats about it and maybe 8 new houses. Those were replaced rather quickly. One house on Nile across the street from the NW corner you speak of had hi
27 BAW716 : PSA was a unique airline and something special on the west coast back in the 1980s. Unfortunately, it suffered from the same kinds of expansion proble
28 Tom in NO : I interned with PSA at ONT in 1978 as a part of my high school's occupational training program. There are those of us who still believe that USAir tot
29 Socalfive : PSA, TWA, RENO Air, AirCal, Were all acquisitions that really didn't turn out as 'mergers', the acquired companies' employees all got a royal screwin
30 Bohica : By any chance is that plane in California today to commemorate the US/PS merger? On another note it would be cool if someone painted a "smile" on a U
31 PanAm747 : Agreed, but if it's any consolation, remind yourself that America West bought US and kept the name...the old US is gone. Kind of like the 1970's Dodg
32 Tom in NO : ...not completely .....put it this way, US/HP MSY routes include CLT, DCA, and PHL...all US routes. We still don't have LAS or PHX back. Does US A319
33 WA707atMSP : One of the saddest "sub stories" about the accident is that one PSA employee lost her husband in this crash, then lost her brother in the BAe 146 sho
34 N1120A : I wouldn't necessarily say more service. PSA served a lot more oddball destinations. WN did 10 minute turns by necessity. They only got had 3 of the
35 Travelin man : That could be. I guess I was thinking about both the number of destinations and frequencies served by WN within California must about match what PSA
36 N1120A : If you remember, PSA served places like Tahoe, Concord, Stockton and the like. It would be nice to see WN branch into those markets, but not likely.
37 TxAgKuwait : N1120: You need not tell me why WN went to 10 min turns. I was there. In fact, I was the guy who drafted the first 3 aircraft schedule incorporating
38 Post contains links DAirbus : I grew up on the East Coast but I do remember when PSA became part of USAir. I was about a year away form graduating high school and was looking to pu
39 F9Animal : I really miss the old BAE 146 Smile Liners. Oh they were some cool looking birds. In fact I miss PSA period. What a neat airline. While I was just a k
40 Chrisair : Great idea! Only the young, good looking female ones, please.
41 Post contains images Tom in NO : I gotta back that one up with a picture : Tom at MSY
42 N1120A : The whole uniform at PSA was cool. It was sexy while evoking thoughts of the jet age.
43 Bluewave 707 : I miss the real PSA too! The Grinning Birds, the friendly stewardesses, the air fare ... If they still existed, I think they would be of similar size
44 WhatUsaid : Thanks for the memories. I loved PSA....and when they came to FAT, they forever changed my standards for flying. Cheap, friendly, and always service o
45 TxAgKuwait : I don't know if I'd call it "snubbing" by WN...I would suggest that the fact that in 1972, you could buy a gallon of Jet A for 11 cents and by the la
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