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Minneapolis-Paris Starts Today :-)  
User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Minneapolis-St. Paul to Paris, France starts today on NW metal. At the airport, they have the French flag and the American flag hanging side by side. The loads look half full from what I have seen.

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/travel/minnesota/17382644.html

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The service from Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport will be flown on a new Airbus A330, and, according to nwa.com, it's not too late to buy a ticket.

Flight 62 is sech. to depart at 3:30 PM today.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

Congratulations to NW, Minnesota, and France! It is always good to hear of international expansion!!

Question: Is NW completely filled up at MSP in terms of gates? Meaning, in scheduling a new flight, is there a massive game of "departure-gate shuffle"? Knowing how very occupied the Lindbergh Terminal at MSP is (and how much NW wants non-SkyTeam members to move to the HHH Terminal!), I can imagine this might be kind of tough.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2876 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
Question: Is NW completely filled up at MSP in terms of gates? Meaning, in scheduling a new flight, is there a massive game of "departure-gate shuffle"?

Generally, no. There is gate space available generally throughout the day since NW has essentially held capacity flat year-over-year.

International gate space & INS capacity can be at a premium, depending on the sequencing of arrivals. If the NRT & AMS flights arrive at the same time, it can overwhelm the immigration facility.

International widebody arrival schedule:
1220 NRT 744
1245 AMS 333
1325 NRT 744 (additional Sat. only flight)
1515 CDG 333
1530 AMS 333
1725 LHR 333
1735 AMS 333


User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2677 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
International gate space & INS capacity can be at a premium, depending on the sequencing of arrivals. If the NRT & AMS flights arrive at the same time, it can overwhelm the immigration facility.

Generally speaking, the customs area is quiet small with two baggage belts and only about 15 passport lines.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

I flew MSP-LGW in Feb. Nice flight, particularly as it was so quiet. I also really liked MSP, especially the wee viewing area.


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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8543 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quite a(n) historic occasion. A big day for MSP. Not every day a Midwest city gains a daily widebody to Paris. Nice job MSP.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

$2900 for coach ? Yikes,I hope that's the walk-up fare......

filler...



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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

I was always hoping for non-stop MSP-CDG service and finally it has arrived.  Smile


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

I remember LH looking hard at MSP during the time PDX was chosen, so obviously they see some potential there despite the lack of a strong partner on the USA end.... what would you types say would be the prospect for MSP-FRA (on any carrier)?

User currently offlineTPA36R From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

What aircraft did NWA select for the MSP-CDG flights?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2403 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Thread starter):
At the airport, they have the French flag and the American flag hanging side by side. The loads look half full from what I have seen.

I hope they aren't at the same height, as that would be a violation of the law...  Wink



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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2403 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 8):
what would you types say would be the prospect for MSP-FRA (on any carrier)?

I believe NW once flew it so it would be interesting to see. We may just need to see what summer 09 holds for us.

Here it is so far. Refresh your browser for any updates.



User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2316 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 8):
I remember LH looking hard at MSP during the time PDX was chosen, so obviously they see some potential there despite the lack of a strong partner on the USA end.... what would you types say would be the prospect for MSP-FRA (on any carrier)?

Given the small local market to Europe and the fact that NW prefers to use the AMS to funnel connecting pax, I'd say the chances are pretty slim. If what has been said in this thread is true and the CDG flight is half full on the opening day, that's rather sad. DTW seems to be the choice for NW to serve FRA as DTW also has more demand to Europe than MSP.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2123 times:



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
Congratulations to NW, Minnesota, and France! It is always good to hear of international expansion!!

Question: Is NW completely filled up at MSP in terms of gates? Meaning, in scheduling a new flight, is there a massive game of "departure-gate shuffle"? Knowing how very occupied the Lindbergh Terminal at MSP is (and how much NW wants non-SkyTeam members to move to the HHH Terminal!), I can imagine this might be kind of tough.

No keep in mind that F has widebody gates, these aircraft don't have to go out of international gates, NW often parks 753's that are not international flights at G during the day, so they could simply move these elsewhere, sometimes you will walk through MSP and see that a gate isn't even going to be used until 8hrs later.

Quoting TPA36R (Reply 9):
What aircraft did NWA select for the MSP-CDG flights?

Airbus A330-300



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2086 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
If the NRT & AMS flights arrive at the same time, it can overwhelm the immigration facility.

When I flew in to MSP on a full 744 our lines went out to the security hall or whatever that is that connects gates to the Customs/Immigration. It was quick and efficient but still packed. Unlike DTW though, they opened all desks and handled everyone well.

If NW were to increase international flights in the next 5 years at MSP, they might be tight on immigration space.



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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1967 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 14):
If NW were to increase international flights in the next 5 years at MSP, they might be tight on immigration space.

They already are..

Indeed a great day to mark in air serivce history here in Minnesota.

I am glad NW could justify, back in 2007, a MSP CDG route.



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1919 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 12):
If what has been said in this thread is true and the CDG flight is half full on the opening day, that's rather sad.

MSP-CDG has good long-term potential especially once NW/KL and DL/AF get anti-trust immunity and launch a 6 way joint-venture with AZ (if they are still alive) and OK. MSP offers quite a bit of different destinations than DTW and with AF at CDG would offer better/new connections to the meditereannean as opposed to northern europe via AMS where KLM are strong. Obviously, with DL on SLC-CDG, things might be a bit tough this summer. Add in CLE-CDG, and you have quite a bit more capacity to CDG this summer.


User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8543 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Worth pointing out that a new flight ordinarily should not go out full (unless there are a ton of politicians / baby kissers onboard)

This is because many people begin their trip now, only to return in future days / weeks. Hence, your return traffic which is 40% or so, is absent during the first week or two.

Also, fair to say the connection opportunities at both CDG and MSP are complex. It will take a while for both airlines to learn how to properly feed this flight. It should do well.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1685 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
Worth pointing out that a new flight ordinarily should not go out full (unless there are a ton of politicians / baby kissers onboard)

This is because many people begin their trip now, only to return in future days / weeks. Hence, your return traffic which is 40% or so, is absent during the first week or two.

Also, fair to say the connection opportunities at both CDG and MSP are complex. It will take a while for both airlines to learn how to properly feed this flight. It should do well.

Flighty, don't forget that the majority of passengers on any US-Europe flight on any airline will have originated in Europe. Thus any inaugural flight from the US will not have the benefit of the European passengers. I did notice however that all C class seats were sold.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1561 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 18):
Thus any inaugural flight from the US will not have the benefit of the European passengers. I did notice however that all C class seats were sold.

This should help relieve WBC somewhat on MSP-AMS & DTW-AMS where it can be near impossible to find a WBC seat less than 3-4 weeks out during most times of the year. I personally, had to come back from Europe via MEM simply because there was nothing to DTW or MSP on 10 days in advance for a least 3 consecutive days notice in WBC last October.

Gives more options to route traffic over CDG similar to AMS.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1556 times:



Quoting B752OS (Reply 12):
I'd say the chances are pretty slim. If what has been said in this thread is true and the CDG flight is half full on the opening day, that's rather sad

Look at the date, its middle of april on a tuesday, for what its worth WorldBusiness class was sold out. Most other flights on April 8th went about half full to Europe as well. Looking toward the summer travel season many of the MSP-CDG flights are quite full.



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