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F9 Receives 9th Consecutive FAA Diamond Award  
User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...idUS241350+13-Mar-2008+PRN20080313

I didn't see this posted and couldn't find a related thread through the search engine. This past March, Frontier Airlines received the FAA's highest award for safety and maintenance - the Diamond Award, for its ninth consecutive year. To receive the award, at least 25% of an airline's mechanics must go through additional training. For all nine years that F9 has received the award, 100% of Frontier's mechanics have participated. Not too shabby for a young airline that is currently only in its 14th year of operations. Kudos to F9 and especially to all of its mechanics who made this possible!  Smile

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User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

It's nice to read some good maintenance news and not the usual "AA cancels 850 flights."

Good job F9!



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
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Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 1):
It's nice to read some good maintenance news and not the usual "AA cancels 850 flights."

I agree. Frontier's maintenance achievement goes un-noticed, however, because it seems all people want is the bad news.

As an fyi, American has been putting some of their stranded DIA pax on Frontier. I didn't think they would do that. United interlines with Frontier, but I don't think AA does.

mariner



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User currently offlineTripleboom From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 278 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2063 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
United interlines with Frontier, but I don't think AA does.

They don't Interline E-Ticket their pax but we still Rule 240 tickets back and forth. It's a considerably larger headache, but if it gets the passenger there you'd best do it. Especially in controllable cancellation situations like today.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 547 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Congrats Frontier, keep it up!

I for one am happy to hear someone on the board take notice of something positive regarding F9!

My twocents 



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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if F9 started print and T.V. commercials with these details. I'm sure a lot of people are spooked by the maintenance issues going on right now.

User currently offlinePExDCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1899 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
Frontier's maintenance achievement goes un-noticed, however, because it seems all people want is the bad news.

How could you possibly say that? Everybody, especially on a.net, loves good airline news.  liar 

O.K. even I couldn't type that without laughing! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain starting all those "guess who will be the next airline to go belly up" threads.

Congrats F9 Maintenance on a job well done!



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1871 times:

This award only means 100% of Frontier's mechanics filled out a form saying they did this many hours of training last year. EVERY airline requires all mechanics to do this recurrent training. The FAA will not approve an airlines' maintenance program with out it. Some of it is aircraft related and some is occupational safety related. If you fill out the form you get a chessey plastic pin and a nifty certificate to frame and hang on your wall/toolbox. The airline gets to put out a press release about gettting an award for something they are required to do. It is sort of like the perfect attendence award in elementry school.

User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1852 times:



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 7):
This award only means 100% of Frontier's mechanics filled out a form saying they did this many hours of training last year. EVERY airline requires all mechanics to do this recurrent training.

So what you are saying is that 100% of F9's mechs did an X number of recurrent hours of training. If it was so easy and such a minor accomplishment, why aren't all airlines receiving the award? Are they too busy reinspecting their aircraft?  biggrin 

Its still an accomplishment and I would think reflects on the quality of their maintenance department. No matter if its just a paperwork exercise, it still means something.

Checko



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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1813 times:



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 7):
This award only means 100% of Frontier's mechanics filled out a form saying they did this many hours of training last year.

Only 25% participation is necessary to receive the award. 100% of Frontier's mechanics have participated every year they have received the award.

Cheers


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1750 times:



Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 8):
why aren't all airlines receiving the award? Are they too busy reinspecting their aircraft?

The other airlines don't hound their mechanics to file the entry form.

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 9):
Only 25% participation is necessary to receive the award

http://www.faa.gov/safety/awards/amt/

For the employer Diamond Award there must be 100% participation. Participation means each mechanic must send in the form. Like I said it is just a perfect attendance award. Getting an "award" for doing what you are expected to do.


User currently offlinePExDCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1702 times:



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 10):
Like I said it is just a perfect attendance award. Getting an "award" for doing what you are expected to do.

So what you are saying is that other airlines employees care so little about helping their companies get good press at a time when this is difficult to come by that they cannot be bothered with merely filling ot a piece of paper? That in itself says a lot about the other airlines and their relations with their maintenance employees.

PEx



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1680 times:



Quoting PExDCA (Reply 11):
So what you are saying is that other airlines employees care so little about helping their companies get good press at a time when this is difficult to come by that they cannot be bothered with merely filling ot a piece of paper?

No, I personally don't fill in the form because A- I think the FAA could come up with a more meaninful way of recognizing those mechanics that go beyond the required recurrent training, and in turn those companies that encourage it. B- I hate that this award gets used as a hat feather by station managers and whole companies for training they are required provide per their maintenance program. When your talking about little kids playing T-Ball the everyone gets a trophy is nice, but come on, for adults one should only get awards when they actually do something beyond the required.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1659 times:



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 10):
For the employer Diamond Award there must be 100% participation. Participation means each mechanic must send in the form. Like I said it is just a perfect attendance award. Getting an "award" for doing what you are expected to do.

 checkmark  The flying public does not know this. I'm surprised. I have two Silver Awards so far and they don't really mean squat. Even the dumbest A&P can still win these awards.

However.... I do favor the following....

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 12):
No, I personally don't fill in the form because A- I think the FAA could come up with a more meaninful way of recognizing those mechanics that go beyond the required recurrent training, and in turn those companies that encourage it. B- I hate that this award gets used as a hat feather by station managers and whole companies for training they are required provide per their maintenance program. When your talking about little kids playing T-Ball the everyone gets a trophy is nice, but come on, for adults one should only get awards when they actually do something beyond the required.

 checkmark  checkmark  checkmark  These AMT awards need an overhaul where they really mean something.



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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Wow...how little attention positive news receives. In any case, if it was so easy to receive this allegedly meaningless award, wouldn't most people think that all U.S. carriers would try and get their maintenance staff to 'sign off' on those papers? If it is meaningless, I would much prefer to be distinguished as a Diamond Award carrier than not - especially considering all of the maintenance hype with various carriers lately.

User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1561 times:



Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 14):
If it is meaningless, I would much prefer to be distinguished as a Diamond Award carrier than not - especially considering all of the maintenance hype with various carriers lately.

It comes down to how much energy do you want to put into this program. A small carrier might have only a few hundred mechnics. A large carrier can have five to close to ten thousand mechanics. Sure I bet DL, AA, and UA wouldn't mind getting a Diamond award, but I bet they don't feel it is importaint enough to put a lot of time into getting 100% participation.


User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 574 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1549 times:



Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 15):
It comes down to how much energy do you want to put into this program. A small carrier might have only a few hundred mechnics. A large carrier can have five to close to ten thousand mechanics. Sure I bet DL, AA, and UA wouldn't mind getting a Diamond award, but I bet they don't feel it is importaint enough to put a lot of time into getting 100% participation.

Thanks for the clarification.  Smile


User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1453 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 5):
I wouldn't be surprised if F9 started print and T.V. commercials with these details.

Way ahead of you, man!  bigthumbsup 




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User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

Good for F9, but lots of airlines get this diamond award on an annual basis. I know AS and QX get it regularly, and I'm sure others do too. In high school, one can get 100% for participation but still fail the exams. I'm not suggesting anything here, just saying take it with the requisite grain of salt.

[Edited 2008-04-13 14:02:32]

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1302 times:
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Quoting EIPremier (Reply 18):
I'm not suggesting anything here, just saying take it with the requisite grain of salt.

I guess you didn't think it has been dumped on enough already, as in post #7:

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 7):
If you fill out the form you get a chessey plastic pin and a nifty certificate to frame and hang on your wall/toolbox.

For people who want to sneer at it, fine. For people who want to take some sense of achievement in it - or just a "cheesy pin" - isn't that fine, too?

No is claiming that the wheel has been re-invented here.

mariner



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