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Bankruptcy: Fox Business: F9, FL, UA Likely To Go  
User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 23555 times:

I personally was shocked to read this. I think they are wrong. What do you think?

"Which airline will fail next? Frontier and Airtran look shaky. Among the majors: United. That's all according to Fox Business."

Here is the link to the article

http://current.newsweek.com/budgettr...irlines_why_did_skybus_die_an.html

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/i...d-airlines-whos-fail_548111_8.html

94 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 23537 times:

Wow that is shocking. However I dont think that UA is going anywhere. They have their problems, but I really dont think they are going to go the way of the Dinosaur.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 23538 times:

UA will "go" by nature of a buyout to save them, which includes splitting up some of their assets. Just my opinion, but it's been looming for a long while...


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineAirTran717 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23361 times:

AirTran has been around in one form or another for a long time. They were able to thrive when many couldn't, i.e; post-9/11 days. To say that they are shaky... well that's realistic since most every airline is right now. But to say they will go under... very foolish and typical media spin. I worked for AirTran from ValuJet days on up. I've seen the darkest days as well as the highest highs. It will take a lot more than high fuel prices and idiotic media speculation to push them out.

717


User currently offlineUAL-Fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23329 times:

The thing that seems to be so much different this time around is who or what will provide the credit to bail these Companies out? With the credit market dried up and the US Govt. being basically BK......what's next? I guess the UAE or China could come to the rescue.

User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23249 times:

I've been hugely critical of UA management since the days of their bankruptcy filing. They are not the same carrier I worked for 10 years ago...not even close.

As for their long term viability, I agree with Ikramerica...the only way UA will be saved is by a merger with another carrier or another carrier buying them out. I could list the reasons, but they are already well known on this forum...I don't need to repeat them. I'd have to look a little deeper to predict, as the magazine article predicts, that they will be out of business by year end 2008 if oil is at $105/barrel. It isn't cash position that is going to break UA, it is how they will be able to retain high yield passengers if they can't bring their product up to industry standard...and to do that they have to invest and to invest, they have to use capital, which really needs to be preserved to keep the airline running (see the vicious circle?).

I think by summer we'll have a better sense of where things are headed for UA, and the rest of the industry.

One thing is certain: ATA was not the last airline that will fall in 2008.

baw716



David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23044 times:

Remember, these are the same people that called Skybus a "success story."

User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2919 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22997 times:

I think this guy is looking at it strictly from the cash perspective and the ability to obtain additional financing. He doesn't include any factor for the success (or lack of success) which airlines will have in paring back and stopping the bleeding. Cutting costs further and increasing revenue more are crucial for all carriers now.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22920 times:



Quoting BAW716 (Reply 5):
I think by summer we'll have a better sense of where things are headed for UA, and the rest of the industry.

CO wants DEN back, and my guess is they would also love a greater presence at LAX back as a Pacific gateway and ORD as a midwest hub (sorry CLE) and NRT rights. IAH-LAX-EWR-ORD creates a "four region" system, with DEN as a regional hub/O&D market to connect the west and the midwest/south. But I don't think CO want all the baggage of UA, nor IAD or SFO, nor the Airbus aircraft.

I know AA is in a weak position, but they may be interested in IAD and SFO gate space and a fleet of A320s to replace 1/2 their MD80s wholesale (which would piss of the AA pilot union).

UA:

30 744s
97 757s
35 763s
19 772s
33 77Es
94 737 classics
152 A320 series



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22918 times:

I think the UA brand may be done within a year. I just hope they don't suddenly fall apart. That would make my life extremely misserable as I'm a Chicago based travel agent. I think the two biggest assets UA has are the ORD hub and East Asian route system.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22750 times:

What exactly is this based on? A wall street analysis of the airlines showed Air Tran breaking even at $110 oil

User currently offlineDimoko From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22721 times:

this is just blatent speculation!

of the three airlines that have gone under recently, none of them were traditional model. Aloha had its aging fleet and island hops, champion was a charter, and skybus was a failed expiriment.

enough with all the gloom and doom talk.



"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams
User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1600 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22682 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
But I don't think CO want all the baggage of UA, nor IAD or SFO, nor the Airbus aircraft.

Wow, that sure would give AA or DL/NW a great advantage if they took over the SFO hub (or dare I say US). I would keep the SFO hub in tact just to make sure that didn't happen. Way too important as an Asia jumping off point and connecting northbound-southbound west coast traffic.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 22635 times:

Air Tran has the most fuel efficient fleet in the industry. Their load facts are good, and their yields are decent. I dont see how he says Air Tran is in danger of going out of business. I also dont think airlines will have as much trouble raising cash if they need to as say someone looking to buy a home. I dont htink the "credit crunch" would effect them nearly as much

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22519 times:



Quoting ORDagent (Reply 9):
I think the two biggest assets UA has are the ORD hub and East Asian route system.

I agree, with LAX Terminal 7 and DEN terminals being the next valuable, and IAD and SFO being next down the list.

Their fleet is the least valuable asset. The have a lot of older A320 series, 737 classics, older 757s, older 763s, some of the oldest 777s and 744s, etc.

It will be interesting to see someone like AA or CO flying 747s again, but I would imagine that would be short lived until one or the other could acquire 77Ws. Not sure the value of the 772s with their PW engines and non-IGW abilities, but I suppose someone like AA can dedicate them to Atlantic ops and save their RR 77Es for "rest of the world" flights.

The PW 77Es would go into the used market, I would imagine. Considering the 787 delays, they may be valuable to other carriers as short term lease interim lift aircraft.

744s would start being converted into freighters right away.

The 757s would be coveted around the world as F and second-tier aircraft.

763s have varying value depending on age, interior fittings, etc.

737 classics? Well, 735s aren't that old, so there would be value there, but they aren't that efficient in this high oil price environment. 733s would go to third world airlines.

If nobody was jazzed about the A320s, it would add to the looming glut of used A320s on the market (which is a far cry from the current sellers market). At least that's my prediction. But again, you might see someone like AA take them wholesale as a replacement for much older aircraft, if the unions can work out the details (not holding my breath).



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22464 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
UA will "go" by nature of a buyout to save them, which includes splitting up some of their assets. Just my opinion, but it's been looming for a long while...

I would not be terribly surprised if this were the outcome given a healthy UA, but at this point??? I imagine if an airline the size of F9, or FL were to go under right now, it would be in a very similar fashion to ATA. "We're closed, get over it."

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 5):
I've been hugely critical of UA management since the days of their bankruptcy filing. They are not the same carrier I worked for 10 years ago...not even close.

I can agree with the statement. UA has had some serious mis-management issues in the last decade, and I dont think they would even attempt to purchase anyone right now.

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 6):
Remember, these are the same people that called Skybus a "success story."

I believe the exact quote was a "Remarkable airline who will have success in a time of hardship for the industry" Either way, we need Mariner to chime in on this one. He is one hell of a supporter of F9 and is generally on target... What I can say, and will continue to say is that every airline out there paying 100+/bbl is going to have a hard time until the flying public ponies up the dough and quits bitching when they cant find an airfare from LAX-JFK for less than $100... The airlines are in a losing battle with a recession, and generally CHEAP clientele right now. This can be attributed to the airlines themselves lowering service quality, but IMO it has far more to do with the flying public wanting their cake and to eat it in first class too...

My twocents 



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22329 times:

FL has the lowest non fuel CASM in the industry and has had 9 years of consecutive profits, with 2007 being a record breaker.

How many airlines can say that?



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22299 times:
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Quoting ATCtower (Reply 15):
we need Mariner to chime in on this one.

Sorry, not going to happen. We've just had an entire - very long - thread called "Frontier Belly-up this Year" for those who want my opinion:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3916199/

Every day for the past week, when I come to a.net, I have to spend my time correcting the assumptions - often presented without facts - of the nay-sayers.

It makes a.net a fairly unpleasant experience for me.

All I will say here is this - anyone who thinks Airtran is "shaky" hasn't been doing their financial homework.

Fox says it? Let me act real surprised. As in:

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 6):
these are the same people that called Skybus a "success story."

And this - last week, I had to correct Melanie Trottman at the Wall Street Journal for printing a totally inaccurate "fact" about Frontier.

The article was changed, the "fact" was corrected. I have her email to me if anyone doubts me.

If the Wall Street Journal can't get it right, what hope is there for Fox News?

mariner

[Edited 2008-04-09 11:15:45]


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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22266 times:

What do people think the odds for another US/UA attempt are?


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8296 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22081 times:

Since I heard on the radio coming to the office that oil almost hit $112 during the day I think it fair to expect more than one more airline to face some critical times. There may be Ch 11 filings, or simple closing down, or major restructuring of the company itself outside of BK protection.

The problem is that the majors have had to respond to LCCs while protecting their high dollar market. The fare cuts have allowed more people to fly than ever before - some for the first time - and these additional bums in the seats were OK for a while. Now we are in, or heading to, a recession at a time when fuel prices are going through the roof.

Makes it tough for the average Joe to take his family on a vacation via a flight. For those of us in the US who prefer to fly overseas for a vacation the deep fall of the Dollar makes it an even greater challenge.

I think that 2008 will be a year of major change for the airlines. December 08 certainly be the same as January 08 in terms of the industry, which is a pity.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 22058 times:

I think whoever came up with this analysis needs to go back to business school.

User currently offlineJawake From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22523 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 20):
Every day for the past week, when I come to a.net, I have to spend my time correcting the assumptions - often presented without facts - of the nay-sayers.



Quoting United1 (Reply 23):
Ahhh the infamous UA breakup thread....Almost as prevalent at the what is NW going to replace the DC-9s with? threads.

I debated about posting this at all, I read it earlier, and if you note, the FOX article is dated last Friday.

I agree, the endless speculation is depressing, and I for one would like to see Airlines have a good year. They deserve it. For many in the industry the last decade has been anything but fun.

The reason I decide to post, is because of the simple fact that oil is crazy high, and there seems to be no end in sight. I have parked my diesel truck, because at $4 a gallon, I can't afford it. So honestly, how long can airlines keep going when oil is out of control?


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22400 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 19):
FL has the lowest non fuel CASM in the industry and has had 9 years of consecutive profits, with 2007 being a record breaker.

How many airlines can say that?

Yeah, seeing FL on that list kind of floored me...



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21963 times:

Headlines are annoying. A.net is no stranger to that...

But the article does actually talk about that. It discusses what happens IF, repeat IF, oil stays high through the end of the year. It projects that UA can't survive on $105 or above, but others like DL and NW can handle $120.

Since NONE of those airlines planned for oil that high in their reorgs, one can assume the analysts are, in fact, taking into account that the airlines would do everything they can to mitigate the problem of high prices, but there is a breaking point. The analysts, right or wrong, have given the estimates for those breaking points.

You don't have to agree (I don't know if I do or not), but the information is there and it isn't being hidden or disguised.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21807 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Their fleet is the least valuable asset. The have a lot of older A320 series, 737 classics, older 757s, older 763s, some of the oldest 777s and 744s, etc.

IMHO the aircraft must stick around for a bit and be gradually rationalized across the combined fleet. If UA is merged or bought out I doubt the combined company is going to have access to enough credit and cash to make large orders with Boeing or Airbus.

Quoting United787 (Reply 16):
If any major carrier is going down, I would put my bets on AA!

I doubt that. AA has been extremely good at keeping its financial house in order. Of course the fleet is aging and those MD-80s are going to have to go. As fuel gets more and more expensive those birds are looking more and more like guzzlers.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17):
I dont think any legacy carriers will fail

That's the problem with the industry right now. I don't know which one should go as I'm not clarvoyant but the industry needs to rationalize.


25 Mariner : I agree, knope, but even that flies in the face of certain facts. Frontier, for example, has been able to get financing for 12 aircraft - 2 x A320 an
26 LAXdude1023 : Dont worry about it, neither are going down. But I would say that UA would go before AA.
27 Azjubilee : Are you people serious? Did you even READ the article? Wether it was Fox, CNN, BET, The N or MTV the report was issued by a reporter WHO GOT THEIR INF
28 FlyPNS1 : Not necessarily. Demand for oil remains quite strong in the much of the world and it isn't as expensive in some parts either. Even in the U.S. the ra
29 Mariner : But that is exactly the point I made in post #30 - some airlines are doing something about it. Frontier, again for example, has sold 4 aircraft. They
30 Jawake : UA has already announced parking some 737s, and I am sure there are other measures they can do to "stop the bleeding" I am sure there same is true fo
31 Mariner : On the US, demand has fallen by 3% year over year. Demand may remain "quite strong" in other parts of the world - but it is not as strong as it was.
32 Azjubilee : Mariner - good point, however they can't sell ALL their planes for cash... wouldn't that be counter productive? They might be able to sell some planes
33 United1 : Airline, Free Cash Flow, Cash on Hand, 07 revenue, Percentage of COH to revenue UA 2.1B 3.9B 20.2B 19% AA 1.9B 5.4B 22.9B 24% NW 1.4B 3.8B 12.5B 30%
34 Mariner : They could sell - and then leaseback - all their planes. They would still have the same size fleet. As I say, nothing stays static. Of the new aircra
35 Aa757first : I don't think many people read the article. AirTran is mentioned in one part. "According to data provided by Neidl, the smaller airlines would be the
36 Azjubilee : This industry evolves on a minute by minute basis... every analyst is rather untimely IMO. One has to take the article for face value given the events
37 DC8FanJet : Such a bunch of crap. Cash flow is going to be everything the next year or so, and United has more than anyone. The 737's being parked are "paid for",
38 UALPUFF : UA going away anytime soon probably is not going to happen. Cash position isn't as bad as some analysts would have you think. In my opinion I would be
39 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : I think that was a typo, as you'll see the chart has them LOSING money at LOWER price points for fuel: That "0" at the $110.00/bbl price point has to
40 N867bx : United HAD the greatest cash flow last year. What is important is how fast the airlines burn thru cash THIS YEAR. I don't think any airline listed ab
41 FlyPNS1 : Probably more to due with oil hitting a new record high today. But I think you are over-emphasizing the changes that F9 has made. Sure they've made s
42 Post contains images Mariner : Yes. But both went down almost equally, and the AMR situation is complicated by the cancellations. Unless you maintain that those cancellations are n
43 767Lover : How does an increased pilot retirement age (60 to 65) affect things? I would imagine UA has a lot more older pilots in the higher pay bracket than som
44 YWG747 : I really doubt that UA will close up shop.... all the big guys are or were having their own issues... but one never knows. Stranger things have happen
45 SHUPirate1 : Wrong. Spirit is based in Florida, which is a red state. A blue portion of a red state, to be sure, but a red state nonetheless.
46 EXAAUADL : I do think Spirit might be in trouble..its fares are extremely low
47 UAL777UK : Your right of course, UA should have got some nonce to pander to every wish of the unions during CH11, then we would now be talking about UA...past t
48 AAH732UAL : DUDE he saved the airline YES. BUT at no lose to him. He MADE money off the bankruptcy. Yes thank you that he did save us. NO he is one POS person w/
49 EXAAUADL : I hate Jake Brace
50 AAH732UAL : Yeah O yeah. Worthless, the entire bunch you know
51 Bicoastal : From my observation, everyone flying buys a $4.00 Starbucks, a muffin, overpriced sandwich, salad, bagel, etc. Which means they are able to pay more f
52 BOStonsox : I heard that FL was doing fine. F9 is shaky, but they aren't like the others where it was obvious. UA struck me as odd since they had recovered and I
53 Briguy1974 : I think it is interesting that midwest airlines seems to stay out of the glooms day conversations. I am not that familliar with there economic positio
54 Boston92 : Possibly the branded flying, but I don't see Express Jet going anywhere anytime soon.
55 Marcopoloworld : Just hooking back on this sideline issue, none of the coastal locations make for good domestic-to-domestic hubs. They do, however, make great domesti
56 United1 : Even if DL were to draw that entire billion line of credit it would only boost its Revenue to COH to 22.3% which would still leave it behing NW and A
57 Mawelsh : I rebooked a scrubbed Skybus trip to California on Airtran. If they go under, I'm going to take that as a sign.
58 Micstatic : You need to look at it from a business sense. Investors. They put in a dollar to make more than a dollar. The union vs. management mentality is compl
59 Alphascan : The whole sensationalist article is based on this line: "if oil remains above $110 a barrel and the economy continues to deteriorate into 2009 " Ain't
60 Steeler83 : I don't see FL going anywhere. I think all things considered, they're in fine shape.
61 Semsem : If the price of oil goes to $150 and $200 soon after many airlines will fold and air fares will go through the roof.
62 AApilot2b : The article does not say, they will fail next. It uses some key words in critical reading... "most likely." That actually makes a lot of sense.
63 GothamSpotter : Remember when most of the majors chopped everyone's salaries, and UA dumped responsibility for their pensions on the Federal government? All that resu
64 UAL777UK : Its a pity you cannot see the bigger picture..DUDE! No one, in there right mind would have come to save UA without a massive compensation package to
65 ConcordeBoy : What are you talking about? Despite being the world's largest O&D operation, well over 30% of LAX's traffic is still connections.
66 Apodino : When a prominent Wall Street publication (Business Week) calls for Tilton to resign or be ousted, that should tell you something. Tilton and his cron
67 UAL777UK : I agree on a number of points you make, the point I was making was what Tilton has done, not what he is now doing. You can butter it up which ever wa
68 AC320 : Okay, had to delete a lot of posts here and probably missed a few due to the volume. Please suggest deletion on anything I might have missed. Now you
69 TN757Flyer : Apparently my previous post ruffled a feather, so let me restate in a different way. NO airline is immune from what is going on now. None. That includ
70 WorldTraveler : yes, and several of those carriers have significant wage escalations due to their labor in the next 1-2 years. Although the AA service mess has sort
71 EXAAUADL : correct, the deeper the US recession the faster the commodities bubble will pop.
72 Mcdu : So you do not support useless speculation, yet you add your own? The quicker the LCC's disappear the better for the legacy carriers. Cash will be at
73 TOLtommy : Ding Ding Ding... We have a winner.... Glenn tilton hasn't been shy to talk about consolidation. But I have never heard him make any comment about do
74 TN757Flyer : No, I do not support useless speculation, I merely pointed out it really serves no purpose. Last I checked I am free to say as I please. Your obvious
75 Mcdu : Just out of curiosity when you read the details for the proposed DL and NW merger what price tag is being mentioned? Again cash is paramount at this
76 Post contains links Socalfive : In all sincerity I just wish you would learn to spell before posting a two page opinion, that concerns me more than UA's market condition. If Oil hit
77 AirTran717 : Wake-up call: It has been that way for longer than I can remember. There are copious amounts of armchair CEO's on this board, seldom caring to listen
78 Surfrider1978 : Hey I could do it. I run a virtual airline with perfection, so running an airline for me is no sweat. Come on Skybus, bring it!
79 Flyin5glow : No way, I don't think UA is going nowhere, yes it is true that they have their problems but nothing that cannot be solved before going out. and in the
80 Fsnuffer : Let me just throw an opinion out there from a person who does not work in the industry and used to travel over 150K miles a year for over ten years. W
81 AirTran717 : The thing to consider about these super-large airlines is this: Take Delta for example. Delta is the largest single employer in the state of Georgia..
82 Jawake : I have to tell, you are one brave soul. You made me laugh at the end. Great post. But in seriousness, you are right on a lot of this. And these are c
83 WorldTraveler : except that leisure travelers don't fly 150K miles per year. While there has been a degradation in the quality of service in the airline industry, th
84 F9Animal : Now it is just a game of who is going to fail next. Maybe this should be an eye opener to the nation and world that the oil prices are really out of c
85 TN757Flyer : Oh I agree. I've been reading these threads for years. Just now that there have been so many failures in such a compressed time frame, this place wil
86 Socalfive : You ARE joking right? There is no punctuation or emoticons to tell us so, so please, tell us that you are.
87 Mcdu : While you may have 150K miles in the cabin that is not equal to 150K miles in the cockpit. I am sure your brother shares his views but if he just rec
88 WorldTraveler : or even 150 days in the board room.
89 Flysherwood : Exactly how does low taxes equate to weak service levels in the commercial service industry?!?!?
90 Surfrider1978 : Of course But in all honesty the intellect of some people in this forum makes me wonder if there are some of us who could actually run a small airlin
91 Joeman : No Problem, CLE is used to being told this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
92 Ocracoke : Baww aaaa haaaa. That's pretty funny. But since you have now started the A.net grammar school, how about you fix your own run-on sentences before you
93 Post contains links Jawake : Sadly, it looks like F9 is filing for Chapter 11 http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/04/11/us.frontier.ap/index.html and another thread dedicated to it. ht
94 AirTran717 : No. It's not impossible. Many companies are doing it everyday. AirTran has the most fuel-efficient fleet in the industry right now. THey somehow mana
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