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SAS To Start CPH - DEL  
User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2988 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

From Oct. 27 SAS will start flights to DEL.


SK 967 CPH - DEL 1820 0620+1 Mo, We , Sa 7hrs 30 mins
SK 968 DEL - CPH 0930 1315 Tu , Th , Su 8hrs 15 mins


Flights to be operated by A340-300

Outbound flight to CPH have connections only to ORD, SEA w.r.t USA.


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User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

about time SK came behind all the others!


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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

I thought SK was going to start ARN-DEL. Is that still in the works?

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

This was announced over the winter
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3693711/



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User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
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Quoting AF022 (Reply 2):
I thought SK was going to start ARN-DEL. Is that still in the works?

no since they got the CPH - DEL route. SK has "stupid" two hub plan..



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User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3401 times:



Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):



Quoting Teme82 (Reply 4):
SK has "stupid" two hub plan..

Unlike many other carriers, they are not in the position for one strong hub in one country.
As they are to serve three three different countries with three different habits and three different preferences, they cannot just say, CPH is our hub. Business travellers in Stockholm won't like the idea too much to just always have to fly via Kastrup to go to the world...


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1295 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

I seem to recall that they flew this route a few years ago but dropped it.
Hopefully it will work better this time.

Business travellers from Stockholm wont like the idea of travelling through Kastrup says Nico and I agree.
Stockholm and Sweden is the heart of corporate Scandinavia with more headquarters of large International corporations than Oslo and Copenhagen combined. So sticking to Copenhagen as the hub for Scandinavia is a bold move. I am not saying that its wrong I just say that its bold.
However travelling to Delhi through CPH might be an easier sell than say Tokyo. At least they don't have to start by flying backwards to Delhi.

About a month ago I flew Finnair from Shanghai to Helsinki. Business class consisted of me and Swedes!
I joked about this with the FA and she said its common. A few Finns, some Norwegians and lots of Swedes. According to her the only flight that were different were Bangkok where Finns were in majority. This was just an FA:s view so don't read to much into it, but it paints a clear picture.
I have followed the discussions on the Scandinavian thread about SAS and their hubs but it wasn't until I flew with Finnair that I realised the problem SAS has on their hands.



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User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3343 times:
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Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
I have followed the discussions on the Scandinavian thread about SAS and their hubs but it wasn't until I flew with Finnair that I realised the problem SAS has on their hands.

SK had that issue for long time now... It started when AY started to expand to Asia and the connections from ARN and other Nordic and Baltic capitals are planned so that there is nice layover in HEL not too long or too short.

Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 5):

Unlike many other carriers, they are not in the position for one strong hub in one country.
As they are to serve three three different countries with three different habits and three different preferences, they cannot just say, CPH is our hub. Business travellers in Stockholm won't like the idea too much to just always have to fly via Kastrup to go to the world...

They should change it. Like ARN serving far- and middle east and CPH serves N. America



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User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3317 times:



Quoting Teme82 (Reply 7):
They should change it. Like ARN serving far- and middle east and CPH serves N. America

No doubt there is potential for optimizing. Nevertheless, I just wanted to point out, that SK ist not in the easiest situation like BA, LH, or AF while defining their center of operations.
Stockholm is definitely the point where to attract business in Scandinavia (and the most beautiful city in the world  Wink ), and maybe there is a way to define a north america hub in, say Kastrup, and a asia hub in arlanda. But it will always be a point of making big compromises in traveller's comfort; much bigger than any other big airline in europe.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3297 times:



Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
I seem to recall that they flew this route a few years ago but dropped it.

Off the top of my head, they Flew it around 2001/2002. It was started during the summer of 2001 (I think), and was featured in a Docusoap series about CPH that was made during the year.


User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3217 times:



Quoting NicoEDDF (Reply 5):

As ive said in other threads, it would have been easier for the 3 countries to have independent airlines. More chaos, and more bureacrecy(spelling)? AY was smart enough to stay on its own and adapt to a airport with AY dominating all flights.
But thats just life right Wink

Oslo would also be a good hub to USA. They can fly their a320 to america!



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3205 times:



Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
Stockholm and Sweden is the heart of corporate Scandinavia with more headquarters of large International corporations than Oslo and Copenhagen combined.

Stockholm is the financial HQ of Scandinavia, indeed, but Stockholm is loosing ground seriously to CPH and the Oresund region as the corporate HQ in general. With this in mind, and CPH being much better geographically located than ARN, SAS strategy of focusing on CPH makes sense indeed.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 6):
So sticking to Copenhagen as the hub for Scandinavia is a bold move. I am not saying that its wrong I just say that its bold.

I wouldn't say SK is sticking to CPH - recently they've cut back on CPH operations, introcuding much more nonstop from Norway and Sweden, and the recent long-haul expansions have been from ARN (BJS, BKK). I think SK is doing the right thing; focusing on CPH, yet still recognizing significant non-stop markets from other places in Scandinavia.

Quoting CPH-R" class=quote target=_blank>CPH-R (Reply 9):
Off the top of my head, they Flew it around 2001/2002. It was started during the summer of 2001 (I think), and was featured in a Docusoap series about CPH that was made during the year.

It flew around there, yes, and was discontinued after 9-11 - poor loads and not enough J-traffic, and I've heard from a guy at SAS that they were tired of the Indian bureaucracy with bribes all the time to every one around.. Remember that TV-show as well, "Take-Off", where they were on the premiere commercial flight on the new 343 for SK CPH-DEL.. A hoard of Italian tourists were all upgraded to business class (wonder why it didn't work well..!), and two economy pax were bumped and given a hotel and a day in Tivoli! I actually met one of the stewardesses they interviewed in that show, Ziggie or some weird name, on a flight from London back in 2006

Quoting Sailas (Reply 10):
As ive said in other threads, it would have been easier for the 3 countries to have independent airlines.
But thats just life right

That's what they have now..! Or, well, technically..  Smile

Regards,

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3153 times:



Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 11):
That's what they have now..! Or, well, technically.. Smile

technically yes:P

But theyd still need a CEO for every countries airline Smile
But all these threads just tell me one thing about SAS......Complicated!



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2944 times:



Quoting Sailas (Reply 12):

But all these threads just tell me one thing about SAS......Complicated!

You've got that right! The April issue of ATW features a frontpage article on SAS by the way, haven't read it yet, looking forward to it..

As for DEL I'd love to be on the first flight down there.. (or, well, first flight in seven years anyway) I've never been on a first flight before, and I love India and Old Delhi..! At DKK 5.200 / EUR 700 it's not exactly the best of CPH-India deals around, but considering it's a non-stop it's still a fair price I reckon..

Although I'm not too sure of the economic viability of the route - heavy onestop competition from Europe and M.E., DEL not being a great transfer airport at all limiting the market significantly to DEL dest/orig pax, Y traffic being very, very seasonal (unlike Thailand for instance) - I hope SAS sees success with it, and I hope to be on it someday!

Best regards,

Kevin777  Smile



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2934 times:



Quoting Sailas (Reply 10):
Oslo would also be a good hub to USA. They can fly their a320 to america!

SK don´t have any A320 yet, but I hope for an order from SK/Airbus replacing the "Mad Dogs"

//Micke  Cool



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User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2829 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 14):

Dont the a319s includ ein the a320 family Wink



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User currently offlineHugin From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Will they get new capacity to do this connection, or just reschedule from todays network?

I am just joining in here, and will start off long, rambling and negative - just because I would have wanted SAS to be something more. I have some serious concerns regarding the added value of SAS as a Norwegian. During the last couple of months, I've become a Eurobonus gold due to flights with Lufthansa (shifting from flyingblue), since SAS can neither provide the flexibility nor the destinations I need with good connections from Oslo for intercontinental travel, while LH does. If I could, I would love to use SAS as a Scandinavian.

This I believe is SAS biggest problem, they are too small to provide good connections for the business community, while to big to feel well becoming a feeder for LH or other airlines. From Norway LH, KL and BA provide much better intercontinental connections (even though I am avoiding BA until T5 is working well). If SAS is to compete in Norway, they should focus on providing good connections to hubs such as FRA (and Dubai), with further codesharing. Unfortunately this is not conducive to continuing the current business model.

For European travel, they are quite good - although they are not able to compete with other majors concerning price and quality anymore. I do not work in the airline industry, but can not understand why LH can provide free meals in intraeuropean economy while being cheaper than SAS on many routes from Oslo. For private travel, I rather go cheap (and they can't compete there either). And I do still ask my travel agency to check for SAS tickets when I can - I grew up being proud of them.... Considering to change FF programme now though - as they are becoming obsolete even within the *alliance network.

This was the airline that invented business class...


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Well too bad i can't fly from IAD to DEL via CPH on SK, the timings of flight just doesn't suit me, darn i thought i could give SK a try and see what their product is all about.

Would they change the IAD or the EWR flight to connect with this flight??

I guess this would give me a reason to break my journey and explore denmark before heading to India...something i wouldn't mind  Smile



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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

The CPH-DEL flight will operate by reducing frequensies on several other routes. What frequencies and destinations determine the times for the new route. Also slot allocation issues at IAD and EWR means that there will not be adequate connections from these two airports and DEL via CPH. At the same time, SAS will re-start their seasonal Copenhagen-Dubai flight.
There are rumours about a 12th A340 being acquired, but I won't believe that before I see the plane on the tarmac in SK colour scheme.



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User currently offlineBrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2599 times:



Quoting FBU 4EVER! (Reply 18):
There are rumours about a 12th A340 being acquired, but I won't believe that before I see the plane on the tarmac in SK colour scheme.

Not so much rumours, as it was actually stated by SK that they would procure another A340 for the DEL and SFO flights. The rumours were, that SK in fact WOULDN'T procure another A340, and instead would axe SEA or shuffle the other routes (as they have done to accommodate more ARN intercons.)

Regards,
BJ



Frequent flyer based in CPH - mostly heading to: OSL, HEL, KEF, FAE and EWR
User currently offlineSandager From Denmark, joined May 2007, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2496 times:



Quoting Sailas (Reply 15):
Dont the a319s includ ein the a320 family

Yes the Airbus A319 is included in the Airbus A320-series. BUT the A320 is an A320. SK don't operate Airbus A320's but they operate the Airbus A320-series.


User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2395 times:



Quoting Sandager (Reply 20):

Ok ok Sorry a319  Smile



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User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2290 times:



Quoting BrisseDK (Reply 19):
Quoting FBU 4EVER! (Reply 18):
There are rumours about a 12th A340 being acquired, but I won't believe that before I see the plane on the tarmac in SK colour scheme.

Not so much rumours, as it was actually stated by SK that they would procure another A340 for the DEL and SFO flights. The rumours were, that SK in fact WOULDN'T procure another A340, and instead would axe SEA or shuffle the other routes (as they have done to accommodate more ARN intercons.)Regards,

One thing is what they say, another thing is what really happens. I happen to fly the A330/340 for SAS, and the latest info we have from "brass" is that no matter how many A340's the look at, management always find a reason to say no to procurement. The SFO route has now been postponed a year just because there will be no 12th Airbus for SAS Intercont. in the foreseeable future. From my point of view, the route will be postponed forever.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2213 times:

I thought the understanding was (from other past threads here) that SAS never make a penny from operating long-haul. Seems an odd thing to do, start a DEL service.

User currently offlineBrisseDK From Denmark, joined Nov 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2173 times:



Quoting FBU 4EVER! (Reply 22):
One thing is what they say, another thing is what really happens. I happen to fly the A330/340 for SAS, and the latest info we have from "brass" is that no matter how many A340's the look at, management always find a reason to say no to procurement. The SFO route has now been postponed a year just because there will be no 12th Airbus for SAS Intercont. in the foreseeable future. From my point of view, the route will be postponed forever.

Sadly I believe every word you say  Sad

My goodness, SK really need a management team with some vision and b@lls, instead of the sole cost-cutting focus we've been seeing for the past 10 years.

It really makes me wonder whether the best thing for SK (and the Scandinavian customers) would be to let LH take over and then do a "Swiss"-turnaround. At least that would bring some vision, strategy and a purpose to SK - 3 things which have been missing for well over a decade...

Regards,
BJ



Frequent flyer based in CPH - mostly heading to: OSL, HEL, KEF, FAE and EWR
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