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Plane Missing South-east Of Sydney  
User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 76
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Seems a metro registration VH-OZA crashed not long after takeoff from SYD during the night whilst on a night freight service SYD-BNE


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"Searchers have found debris floating in the sea south-east of Sydney near the last known location of a missing plane."

"An air, land and sea exclusion zone is in place between Cronulla and Stanwell Park, five nautical miles (9.25km) out to sea and about 3km inland from the coast.

The plane took off from Sydney Airport about 11.30pm (AEST) Wednesday. The male pilot, the Metroliner's only occupant, reported problems 10 nautical miles (18.5km) after take-off."

from http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=75756


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User currently offlineQantas767 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

The "pencil of death" strikes again...

I remember TAMAIR had problems with their metros... That was a while ago now.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7867 times:



Quoting Qantas767 (Reply 1):
I remember TAMAIR had problems with their metros

From memory that was a training flight, simulated engine failure on takeoff, and the trainee got it wrong. It was done at night, such training is illegal at night.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7658 times:



Quoting Qantas767 (Reply 1):
The "pencil of death" strikes again...

This is a genuine question - is the name 'pencil of death' really deserved? How many accidents has this type actually suffered? Do you have any particularly alarming stats you could quote about the aircraft?



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User currently offlineQuetzal From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7396 times:

Airtex aircraft right?

How many Metro aircraft are operating in Australia at the moment? How many are freighters?

I remember those Horizon aircraft were constantly having 'issues'.....

Seems the driver was not lacking experience. Sounds like serious mechanical difficulty.



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User currently offlineQantas767 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7271 times:

Among the the pilots that I fly with the metro is either described as the pencil of Death or the Lawn dart. However I am aware that a majority of the accidents are from pilot error.

There have been more than a few crashes of the Metro in Australia and in New Zealand. As most would know we don't have a large accident rate down here in the RPT world - especially when it comes to large transports. Off the top of my head I would have to say that as far as accidents on Australian soil the Metro would probably be one of the largest aircraft to have crashed, with fatalities here in a while - if not at all. So when it crashes it tends to stay in the news for a long time. Look at Qantas - the media was in a feeding frenzy over the abort at LAX. I would hate to see how the Australian media would react to a large, Australian airliner going down over SYD or BNE...



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User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7169 times:

Wreckage has been located in "deep water" off Bundeena, which will make recovery of the aircraft very difficult, if not impossible. No sign of the pilot unfortunatley.

RL


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9239 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7151 times:



Quoting Quetzal (Reply 4):
Seems the driver was not lacking experience. Sounds like serious mechanical difficulty.

Trying to find out more about the experience level, SE of SYD it is very black after departure over water.

Quoting Qantas767 (Reply 5):
Among the the pilots that I fly with the metro is either described as the pencil of Death or the Lawn dart.

Flying cigar how I remember it being described.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

One former AA pilot referred to the Metro as the "San Antonio Sewer Tube" - the aircraft was manufactured in San Antonio, Texas.


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User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

Any news on the pilots? I hope they get out of this one.


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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1993 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3846 times:

I hope the pilots ok!

I have always heard it called the Texas Tampon or the Texas Dildo.



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3285 times:



Quoting Qantas767 (Reply 1):
The "pencil of death" strikes again...

I prefer calling it the San Antonio Sewer Tube.



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User currently offlineCougarmon From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Unfortunately the police have been unable to find the pilot of the plane and believe he would of died on impact. He is married and has 3 children.

Lets hope for the best though.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2806 times:
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Quoting Qantas767 (Reply 5):
There have been more than a few crashes of the Metro in Australia and in New Zealand.



could you please provide details of the Metro crashes in New Zealand , I was unaware that any had crashed in New Zealand



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User currently offlineFerrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Twenty years ago I used to work with a guy whose previous employment had included test flying the English Electric Lightning for Rolls Royce (one of the first Mach 2 capable fighters) and so on the strength of that information alone I had to figure he knew something about flying machines.

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Well one day we were flying along in a Falcon 20 and the Merlin cropped up in conversation. I had heard that he had flown them and the sleek "hot ship" appearance of the Merlin had often appealed to me, so I was interested to hear his opinion of the aircraft.

Although it was a long time ago I still clearly recall that he was very down on the Merlin, inferring that it was a dangerous machine and best stayed away from. ...That from a "Lightning test pilot" was worth taking on board !!


User currently offlineQantas767 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2116 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 13):
could you please provide details of the Metro crashes in New Zealand , I was unaware that any had crashed in New Zealand

Have a look at this link...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=13&objectid=10395485



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8198 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2078 times:



Quoting Qantas767 (Reply 5):
Look at Qantas - the media was in a feeding frenzy over the abort at LAX. I would hate to see how the Australian media would react to a large, Australian airliner going down over SYD or BNE...

This is true - the Aussie media is obsessed with air disasters, I remember being in Sydney watching the news and a JAL 747-200 (this was in the 80s or 90s) had done an aborted takeoff in Moscow, at the start of a flight to Tokyo. This was like the second highest piece in the Australian evening news. I bet it was barely news in the staff canteen at Sherymetyevo. So yes, I have often thought exactly, if a large Australian airliner went down over SYD or BNE, the media would just completely freak out. Probably for years. 9/11 + Diana + choir singing "When You Get To Heaven What Do You Think You'll Say (You'll Say G'Day)" = $$$.



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User currently offlineFerrypilot From New Zealand, joined Sep 2006, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2042 times:



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 16):
the media would just completely freak out. Probably for years. 9/11 + Diana + choir singing "When You Get To Heaven What Do You Think You'll Say (You'll Say G'Day)" = $$$.

...It is most likely a symptom of the great safety record Australia has always been fortunate to maintain in aviation. At least that is for their airlines.


User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1487 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Anyone know the weather conditions near the location of the crash?

User currently offlineJbguller From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Weather conditions were good at the time of the accident, as far as I remember. I live about half an hour from where they're conducting the search (relatively) and weather was good at that time of night. There has been a fair bit of cloud and rain around recently though.

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