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Zoom Interested In ATA 757's?  
User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

this is just long shot but could Zoom (UK or Canada) be interested in any of ATA's 752's or 753's ?

The lease rates at present must be fantastic.

We know Zoom were looking at a route to Australia from YVR but said they couldn't find a 763ER at suitable lease rates with same engines as in rest of their fleet(s).

If they took on another 757 whether a 752 or 753 could that free up a 763ER to do an Australian run ? Ie. Put a 757 on an existing 763ER route & either reduce capacity on that route or increase frequency to compensate for reduced seating, altho seating on a 753 would not be that much less than a 763.

What would maximum range of ATA's 752's & 753's be with Zoom type seating config.?

Presume Zoom crry very little freight if any ?

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7795 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Thread starter):
The lease rates at present must be fantastic.

Why would they be? 757s are coveted. CO will likely take the 753s (I believe they are contractually promised to them).



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User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7751 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Quoting REALDEAL (Thread starter):
The lease rates at present must be fantastic.


Why would they be? 757s are coveted. CO will likely take the 753s (I believe they are contractually promised to them).

world recession !!!


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

I was thinking that FedEx would be interested in ATA's 757-200s, and that Continental will take the 757-300s. FedEx is hunting for second-hand 757s to replace their 727s. Since there isn't much second hand demand for the 757-300, the ATA 757-300s would virtually be a steal for Continental.

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User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7705 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Thread starter):
If they took on another 757 whether a 752 or 753 could that free up a 763ER to do an Australian run ? Ie. Put a 757 on an existing 763ER route & either reduce capacity on that route or increase frequency to compensate for reduced seating, altho seating on a 753 would not be that much less than a 763.

Quite a few of the flights out of eastern Canadian(YOW/YYZ/YUL/YHZ) cities are already operating as 752 flights to Europe with Zoom Canada. Zoom UK is also in the process of receiving a 752 from Air Finland (O-HAFI) presumably to operate flights on behalf of other tour operators (Sharm El Sheik comes to mind) and possibly JFK or BDA or eastern Canada.

It would be great to introduce more 757s, but I think Zoom, both UK and Canada, are yearning for 767s or something bigger  stirthepot 


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7616 times:



Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 4):
It would be great to introduce more 757s, but I think Zoom, both UK and Canada, are yearning for 767s or something bigger

as pax want more point to point & no hubs ops, should Zoom be looking at other Trans-Atlantic routes that can be operated with a 757 ?

Would introducing 753 into fleet be that difficult if they already have 752's? (assuming range of 753's was suitable for Trans-Atlantic ops).

Seems there's an opportunity for sharp operator like Zoom to take advantage of fleets being dumped into the market, as long as they can keep their costs low.

It would surely give them more flexibility, ie switching betwen 752's & 753's like other carriers switch between 737-700's & 738's.

When it comes down to it most pax wouldn't know the difference between a 752 & a 753.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5431 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7563 times:



Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 4):
...but I think Zoom, both UK and Canada, are yearning for 767s or something bigger.

Yes, I hope you're right Fly2'. We here in San Diego are certainly hoping to see expanded frequency between Lindbergh Field and Gatwick (plus any other cities ZX would care to connect us with!)  stirthepot  plus we know that new LGW-DEN service is already planned for this winter. (I have no idea about FLL-LGW but I bet that route will do just fine and probably support added frequency as well.)

So yes, Zoom, please go shopping and pick up a few more 767-300ERs soon so you can keep growing your beautiful new Southern California city, in order to keep up with the demand that is there!

bb


User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1044 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7532 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 5):
as pax want more point to point & no hubs ops, should Zoom be looking at other Trans-Atlantic routes that can be operated with a 757 ?

Would introducing 753 into fleet be that difficult if they already have 752's? (assuming range of 753's was suitable for Trans-Atlantic ops).

Seems there's an opportunity for sharp operator like Zoom to take advantage of fleets being dumped into the market, as long as they can keep their costs low.

It would surely give them more flexibility, ie switching betwen 752's & 753's like other carriers switch between 737-700's & 738's.

When it comes down to it most pax wouldn't know the difference between a 752 & a 753.

I'm pretty certain that more 752s would be more than welcome to Zoom, UK or Canada, but I don't think they are attempting to grow at an extraordinary rate as say Oasis for instance. Zoom is good at carefully considering its options -- I don't believe though many of their passengers will enjoy the 752s for increased trans-atlantic flying -- but there are a lot more point to point flights now from the main base at YYZ (ex. GLA/MAN/LGW and even CDG) at least twice a week. But then again I'm just an armchair CEO.

I think Zoom will consider its options after this summer and for 2009 as there is so much going on. The beginning of flights to FCO from YUL and YYZ, obtaining more rights to new destinations as considered previously to South America and/or to Europe, more collaboration of both Zoom's in coordinating flight schedules (western and eastern Canada), Zoom UK (re)commencing BDA-FLL, SAN, and JFK and of course internal matters. Oh and of course not to mention the rising cost of fuel.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7506 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 2):
world recession !!!

People will still need to fly, and 757s are quite efficient in 2000-3000nm segments. Global recession means ditching old gas guzzlers and parking smaller, inefficient planes like CRJs and 735s and A318s.



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User currently offlineCaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7254 times:

Zoom took on -GTSN when harmony reduced its operation. And there's the Air Finland lease this summer for ZX. It would be an ideal chance to take an on extra aircraft or 2.
They are increasingly splitting the allocation between Z4 and ZX. ZX operating a number of Z4 flights. An extra aircraft would reduce the need for Z4 to rely on ZX. Therefore freeing up the ZX a/c to open new routes. (such as the new GEO/POS)
JFK/BDA/YYZ could be operated at higher frequencies on a 757. Leaving the 767's for new long haul routes.
Zoom are careful with their expansion and i'm sure if the right deal came along they would snatch it up.


User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7236 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
CO will likely take the 753s

I talked to my boss last night and he said CO is currently in talks with Boeing to acquire the last 4 of TZ's 753s.

I'll post more on this when I have paperwork to back it up.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
(I believe they are contractually promised to them).

That contract fell apart when Boeing and TZ couldn't come to terms on aircraft swaps.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7005 times:



Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 4):
Zoom UK is also in the process of receiving a 752 from Air Finland (O-HAFI) presumably to operate flights on behalf of other tour operators (Sharm El Sheik comes to mind) and possibly JFK or BDA or eastern Canada.

Are Zoom UK operating LGW-SSH. Just that until now their UK operation has been totally transatlantic



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User currently offlineWouwout From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6990 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 2):
world recession !!!

there will be no world recession. USA, yes. Europe maybe but more likely a slowdown. Asia, no recession - only slowdown.


User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6918 times:
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Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 4):
Zoom UK is also in the process of receiving a 752 from Air Finland (O-HAFI) presumably to operate flights on behalf of other tour operators

Seems this plane will be used on the JFK route for June - I'm scheduled onto that aircraft on the 24th.

Kev.



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User currently offlineCaaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

JFK is only operating on Mon,Tues, Thurs, Fri, Sun.
A/c is free on a Wed and Sat. I noticed SSH on their arrivals page. Does anyone know what tour operator the flight is for?
Are Zoom UK going in the same direction as ZoomCA and GoTravel Direct, as in operating several charter holiday routes in Europe?
How long do the CPH-Asia routes last? I'd imagine they could do with a few extra a/c to cope with such a tight schedule.


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6804 times:

A 757 would be good for Zoom to initiate YYT-LHR or YYT-LGW service assuming they can grab one before they disappear.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6767 times:



Quoting MX757 (Reply 10):
That contract fell apart when Boeing and TZ couldn't come to terms on aircraft swaps.

gotcha.

and i guess it would have been bad form for boeing to offer TZ this solution: "okay, well, hang on to them then, but when you go CH7, can we have 'em?"  Wink



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User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6727 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):

Quoting MX757 (Reply 10):
That contract fell apart when Boeing and TZ couldn't come to terms on aircraft swaps.


gotcha.

and i guess it would have been bad form for boeing to offer TZ this solution: "okay, well, hang on to them then, but when you go CH7, can we have 'em?"

IIRC, Boeing has always owned these aircraft and was leasing the B753s to ATA/TZ.

Is CO interested in those four remaining TZ 753s? I think so, but according to a CO F/O who spoke with Kellner, even though CO has already recently discussed these aircraft with Boeing, CO is interested in more 739ERs. According to this F/O, Kellner stated that the 739ERs have lower seat mile costs than the 753s.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6717 times:



Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 17):
IIRC, Boeing has always owned these aircraft and was leasing the B753s to ATA/TZ.

I meant CO. It was a typo.

Boeing owns them.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Zoom from PVD-UK on a 757 would be a perfect fit. It avoids BOS comptition while tapping into a large MSA/catchment area.


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6483 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Thread starter):
Presume Zoom crry very little freight if any ?

They carry plenty of freight on the 767's, certainly on YVR - UK.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6329 times:



Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 17):
CO is interested in more 739ERs. According to this F/O, Kellner stated that the 739ERs have lower seat mile costs than the 753s.

I think thats unrelated though. They may be interested in more 739ERs but they probably will still end up with these last 753s - the 739ER does not carry as many pax as a 753, not the same league of aircraft. Besides the 753 picks up where the A300s left off in terms of domestic lift. The 739ER is for those Europe bound 752s as I'm sure we all know.



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User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1087 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

don't count usairways out as a candidate for ata's 757-200's

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5785 times:

If we're speculating on where Zoom could use a 757, I'll put my hat into the ring with Winnipeg Gatwick. The Peg is about three-quarters of a million people, the dominant ethnicity seems to be Ukrainian but there's a good film and music business there and generally switched-on people. Zoom do it in summer, once a week with a 767-300ER, but the extra frequency, with two 757 flights per week necessary to replace the capacity of one 767, would grow the route to three or four 757 flights per week, and even sustaining one through winter.

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 15):
A 757 would be good for Zoom to initiate YYT-LHR or YYT-LGW service assuming they can grab one before they disappear.

I think St Johns is too small. My biggest regret is I never flew on Air Canada's A319 from LHR to St Johns. Never even saw the A319 at LHR. Actually the timings were pretty awesome, the eastbound was a daytripper, dep YYT at 1200 and arr LHR about 2030. Return left about 2200 and landed in St Johns just after midnight. Presumably the aircraft slept at YYT, then did an early morning rotation to Halifax or Montreal, then out again at midday to LHR. But they couldn't make it work (and it wasn't daily IIRC), so no way Zoom with a 757.

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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 19):
Zoom from PVD-UK on a 757 would be a perfect fit. It avoids BOS comptition while tapping into a large MSA/catchment area.

PVD? Pushing yer luck mate. What about Bradley / Windsor Locks (BDL)? Northwest seem to be doing OK flying a nightly 757 to Amersterdam.



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User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5634 times:



Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 23):
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 19):
Zoom from PVD-UK on a 757 would be a perfect fit. It avoids BOS comptition while tapping into a large MSA/catchment area.

PVD? Pushing yer luck mate. What about Bradley / Windsor Locks (BDL)? Northwest seem to be doing OK flying a nightly 757 to Amersterdam.

Well I haven't talked about this for awhile so...

How about IND-LGW, I believe a 757 can do that long of a flight.


25 STT757 : Agreed, the 757-300 is perfect for EWR-Florida and IAH-West Coast where there's more than enough demand to fill the 757-300s. Also keep in mind with
26 RL757PVD : 45% loads are OK? PVD can tap into the Boston market where BDL cant (cant tap into NYC either) PVD has over 5 million people within 1 hr and is essen
27 MCOflyer : Is there something you wanna disclose etops1? I know US would be interested to fill the void of older ones. King
28 Ikramerica : Yep, they have the two highest domestic F cabins in their domestic fleet at 20 and 24, which helps on high yield F routes like IAH-LAX, EWR-LAX, etc.
29 STT757 : I traveled EWR-MCO twice last year in First, with my Brother in April and my Wife in May. There are plenty of folks paying full First Class fare, I w
30 Drerx7 : 753s and 739s are COs dream craft low csm, high yield F seats, lots of Y, cmon mayne lets go get them ATA birds!
31 Fly2YYZ : Actually the CPH - Asia (BKK/HKT/GOI) flights are actually winding down. G-UKZM is returning I believe the date was 18 April. So it'll be back soon -
32 MCOflyer : I have to agree with STT757 for the 753's. They are going to CO. I don't think no one wants them besides CO as they are a rare type. Only Arkia, Icela
33 REALDEAL : so where else could the 752 end up ? PX I think are still leasing a 752. Could they come up with any funds to lease a 752 long term in addition to th
34 Etops1 : the 757-200's could easily end up at usairways.
35 REALDEAL : strange world - we've got U.S. airlines dropping like flies + Oasis + F9 in chapter 11 & many aircraft from these fleets & others from airlines parki
36 Pnwtraveler : With good 763's already is short supply and the delay of the 787 Zoom may be waiting a while until they can find more 763's. So unless Boeing decides
37 Fly2YYZ :
38 Cedarjet : I wish. OPEC doesn't have any supply in reserve. This is different. Price will only go up from now on. Last time there was an energy crisis, India an
39 Ikramerica : I know that it is never all upgrades, but people try to claim it is. I would imagine though that during certain times it is mostly upgrades. But that
40 STT757 : NWA operates Pratt powered 757-300s, they are the only Pratt 757-300 operator. Everyone else has RR engines.
41 REALDEAL : YEP !!! yes but they can effectively control price by controlling output. So do any of the ATA 752's have same engines as the Zoom 752's?
42 RobK : Why do people keep coming out with this myth? The 739ERs will NOT be used on NAT routes. R
43 REALDEAL : anyway back on topic ... what engines r on the current Zoom 752's?
44 Fly2YYZ : They are RR engines as well...
45 IAirAllie : Isn't it more likely that they will go to another GAL airline that already operates 757 like say, North American?
46 STT757 : You misunderstood what he meant, the 737-900ERs will free up 757-200s currently operating domestically (and to Central America) on routes from IAH. T
47 REALDEAL : what's GAL ? sound's to us like would be perfect for Zoom.
48 TZTriStar500 : This whole thread has seemed kind of silly and I'm surprised its still around. If any entity wished to lease an ex-TZ 757-200/300 they had better alre
49 LongHauler : At its peak last summer, AC never carried more than 75 revenue passengers YYT-LHR-YYT per flight, and after Labour Day, the loads were showing no mor
50 Afitch7881 : 45% loads in the weakest travel seasn for Europe. The flights are fillng up once again, over 70% in March 08. The front of the cabin is full of full
51 Viscount724 : The AC schedule on that route didn't help. When YYT was a stop on the YHZ-LHR route with the more usual overnight eastbound, daytime westbound flight
52 REALDEAL : If correct, that's incredibly bad yield management. Surely AC were selling cheap tix to LHR via YYT & v.v. to help fill the YYT-LHR-YYT flights ? Pri
53 REALDEAL : what about this idea? Zoom Canada pick up one or more of the ATA 752's & operate the original Canada 3000 route into Australia back in the late 90's w
54 Fly2YYZ : You really want an alternative airline operating from Canada to Australia don't you? I think this would be too ambitious of a plan for Zoom Canada. I
55 LongHauler : Yes, its correct, I pulled it right out of the computer. I had a large interest in this route, mostly due to the debate both in the media and on this
56 REALDEAL : yes that would be silly if the actual case, BUT, eg. AC could have got some FREE publicity, if eg. they did something like ... YVR(&/or YYC, YEG, YYZ
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