REALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7325 times:
this is just long shot but could Zoom (UK or Canada) be interested in any of ATA's 752's or 753's ?
The lease rates at present must be fantastic.
We know Zoom were looking at a route to Australia from YVR but said they couldn't find a 763ER at suitable lease rates with same engines as in rest of their fleet(s).
If they took on another 757 whether a 752 or 753 could that free up a 763ER to do an Australian run ? Ie. Put a 757 on an existing 763ER route & either reduce capacity on that route or increase frequency to compensate for reduced seating, altho seating on a 753 would not be that much less than a 763.
What would maximum range of ATA's 752's & 753's be with Zoom type seating config.?
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5758 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7211 times:
I was thinking that FedEx would be interested in ATA's 757-200s, and that Continental will take the 757-300s. FedEx is hunting for second-hand 757s to replace their 727s. Since there isn't much second hand demand for the 757-300, the ATA 757-300s would virtually be a steal for Continental.
[Edited 2008-04-09 18:30:36]
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Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 964 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7211 times:
Quoting REALDEAL (Thread starter): If they took on another 757 whether a 752 or 753 could that free up a 763ER to do an Australian run ? Ie. Put a 757 on an existing 763ER route & either reduce capacity on that route or increase frequency to compensate for reduced seating, altho seating on a 753 would not be that much less than a 763.
Quite a few of the flights out of eastern Canadian(YOW/YYZ/YUL/YHZ) cities are already operating as 752 flights to Europe with Zoom Canada. Zoom UK is also in the process of receiving a 752 from Air Finland (O-HAFI) presumably to operate flights on behalf of other tour operators (Sharm El Sheik comes to mind) and possibly JFK or BDA or eastern Canada.
It would be great to introduce more 757s, but I think Zoom, both UK and Canada, are yearning for 767s or something bigger
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4720 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7069 times:
Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 4): ...but I think Zoom, both UK and Canada, are yearning for 767s or something bigger.
Yes, I hope you're right Fly2'. We here in San Diego are certainly hoping to see expanded frequency between Lindbergh Field and Gatwick (plus any other cities ZX would care to connect us with!) plus we know that new LGW-DEN service is already planned for this winter. (I have no idea about FLL-LGW but I bet that route will do just fine and probably support added frequency as well.)
So yes, Zoom, please go shopping and pick up a few more 767-300ERs soon so you can keep growing your beautiful new Southern California city, in order to keep up with the demand that is there!
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 964 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7038 times:
Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 5): as pax want more point to point & no hubs ops, should Zoom be looking at other Trans-Atlantic routes that can be operated with a 757 ?
Would introducing 753 into fleet be that difficult if they already have 752's? (assuming range of 753's was suitable for Trans-Atlantic ops).
Seems there's an opportunity for sharp operator like Zoom to take advantage of fleets being dumped into the market, as long as they can keep their costs low.
It would surely give them more flexibility, ie switching betwen 752's & 753's like other carriers switch between 737-700's & 738's.
When it comes down to it most pax wouldn't know the difference between a 752 & a 753.
I'm pretty certain that more 752s would be more than welcome to Zoom, UK or Canada, but I don't think they are attempting to grow at an extraordinary rate as say Oasis for instance. Zoom is good at carefully considering its options -- I don't believe though many of their passengers will enjoy the 752s for increased trans-atlantic flying -- but there are a lot more point to point flights now from the main base at YYZ (ex. GLA/MAN/LGW and even CDG) at least twice a week. But then again I'm just an armchair CEO.
I think Zoom will consider its options after this summer and for 2009 as there is so much going on. The beginning of flights to FCO from YUL and YYZ, obtaining more rights to new destinations as considered previously to South America and/or to Europe, more collaboration of both Zoom's in coordinating flight schedules (western and eastern Canada), Zoom UK (re)commencing BDA-FLL, SAN, and JFK and of course internal matters. Oh and of course not to mention the rising cost of fuel.
People will still need to fly, and 757s are quite efficient in 2000-3000nm segments. Global recession means ditching old gas guzzlers and parking smaller, inefficient planes like CRJs and 735s and A318s.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Caaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6760 times:
Zoom took on -GTSN when harmony reduced its operation. And there's the Air Finland lease this summer for ZX. It would be an ideal chance to take an on extra aircraft or 2.
They are increasingly splitting the allocation between Z4 and ZX. ZX operating a number of Z4 flights. An extra aircraft would reduce the need for Z4 to rely on ZX. Therefore freeing up the ZX a/c to open new routes. (such as the new GEO/POS)
JFK/BDA/YYZ could be operated at higher frequencies on a 757. Leaving the 767's for new long haul routes.
Zoom are careful with their expansion and i'm sure if the right deal came along they would snatch it up.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6511 times:
Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 4): Zoom UK is also in the process of receiving a 752 from Air Finland (O-HAFI) presumably to operate flights on behalf of other tour operators (Sharm El Sheik comes to mind) and possibly JFK or BDA or eastern Canada.
Are Zoom UK operating LGW-SSH. Just that until now their UK operation has been totally transatlantic
Caaardiff From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6332 times:
JFK is only operating on Mon,Tues, Thurs, Fri, Sun.
A/c is free on a Wed and Sat. I noticed SSH on their arrivals page. Does anyone know what tour operator the flight is for?
Are Zoom UK going in the same direction as ZoomCA and GoTravel Direct, as in operating several charter holiday routes in Europe?
How long do the CPH-Asia routes last? I'd imagine they could do with a few extra a/c to cope with such a tight schedule.
FlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6233 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
Quoting MX757 (Reply 10):
That contract fell apart when Boeing and TZ couldn't come to terms on aircraft swaps.
and i guess it would have been bad form for boeing to offer TZ this solution: "okay, well, hang on to them then, but when you go CH7, can we have 'em?"
IIRC, Boeing has always owned these aircraft and was leasing the B753s to ATA/TZ.
Is CO interested in those four remaining TZ 753s? I think so, but according to a CO F/O who spoke with Kellner, even though CO has already recently discussed these aircraft with Boeing, CO is interested in more 739ERs. According to this F/O, Kellner stated that the 739ERs have lower seat mile costs than the 753s.
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4906 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5835 times:
Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 17): CO is interested in more 739ERs. According to this F/O, Kellner stated that the 739ERs have lower seat mile costs than the 753s.
I think thats unrelated though. They may be interested in more 739ERs but they probably will still end up with these last 753s - the 739ER does not carry as many pax as a 753, not the same league of aircraft. Besides the 753 picks up where the A300s left off in terms of domestic lift. The 739ER is for those Europe bound 752s as I'm sure we all know.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7702 posts, RR: 55 Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5291 times:
If we're speculating on where Zoom could use a 757, I'll put my hat into the ring with Winnipeg Gatwick. The Peg is about three-quarters of a million people, the dominant ethnicity seems to be Ukrainian but there's a good film and music business there and generally switched-on people. Zoom do it in summer, once a week with a 767-300ER, but the extra frequency, with two 757 flights per week necessary to replace the capacity of one 767, would grow the route to three or four 757 flights per week, and even sustaining one through winter.
Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 15): A 757 would be good for Zoom to initiate YYT-LHR or YYT-LGW service assuming they can grab one before they disappear.
I think St Johns is too small. My biggest regret is I never flew on Air Canada's A319 from LHR to St Johns. Never even saw the A319 at LHR. Actually the timings were pretty awesome, the eastbound was a daytripper, dep YYT at 1200 and arr LHR about 2030. Return left about 2200 and landed in St Johns just after midnight. Presumably the aircraft slept at YYT, then did an early morning rotation to Halifax or Montreal, then out again at midday to LHR. But they couldn't make it work (and it wasn't daily IIRC), so no way Zoom with a 757.