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SQ Gets More B777's - Replacement For A310's!  
User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Singapore Airlines has just placed an order with Boeing for an additional 20 B777 twin jets to replace it's A310's which will be phased out over the next few years. They will be used to expand current routes served with the A310 & also be used to replace (or increase frequency) A340 routes to places like Adelaide & Perth. SQ would not expand on whether some of the aircraft maybe used for Ansett/Air New Zealand. This takes the number of firm orders by SQ for the B777 to 88!

SQ - Alive & well!

Cheers - BZf Big grin


Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1652 times:


This shows how unpredictable the world can be.. onw wouldn't have expected a 310 replacement to be much a much larger plane.

The orders, BTW, were 10 firm and 10 options, not 20 firm.



User currently offlineSIN_SQ From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

SIA has to resort to buying B777 (10 firm orders and 10 options) as there is no suitable replacement of Airbus A310 aircraft.

BUT Boeing 777 is NOT a direct replacement of A310.  Smile

Using 777 is more flexible

- can make use of current maintenance and spares for Boeing 777

- also can use them on short range especially those popular flights like KL-SIN shuttle services as well as long range routes.

Latest orders are part of 77 orders/options set in 1995.


User currently offlineAirbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

Singapore Airlines Announces US$4 Billion B777-200 Order
14/02/2001


Singapore Airlines (SIA) today announced an order for 20 Boeing 777-200 aircraft, 10 on firm order and 10 on option. The gross price of US$4 billion, applicable at time of delivery, includes the cost of aircraft spares and spare engines.


These aircraft will replace SIA's existing fleet of A310-300 aircraft and cater to growth.


SIA previously ordered 61 B777s in November 1995 as part of a 77-plane order that included 16 aircraft for its leasing associate, Singapore Aircraft Leasing Enterprise (SALE). With this latest order, the number of B777s in operation, on firm order and on option will total 81.


The 20 aircraft in this latest order will be powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 892 engines and will be delivered between 2003 and 2009. They will be used mainly on regional routes, but will also be suitable for longer routes if required.


Said SIA Deputy Chairman and CEO Cheong Choong Kong: "In terms of capacity, the B777 is a larger aircraft than the A310 and therefore not a direct replacement in terms of size, but it offers us the flexibility to use the aircraft on both the shorter-haul services currently operated by the A310, as well as on the longer sectors. We are already operating 18 B777s in our fleet and can therefore take advantage of economies of scale in terms of spares and maintenance costs."


As with previous orders, SIA expects to finance the purchase largely from its cash flow, but if necessary, the Airline will consider borrowing or leasing.


SIA has already begun phasing out its A310-300 fleet, with 13 remaining in operation. The last A310 will be retired from the operating fleet in 2006.


At present, SIA operates 91 aircraft, comprising Boeing 777-200s and -300s, 747-400s, Airbus A340-300s and A310-300s.

And for your information, 2 A310-300s which SIA retired recently, have been sold to the Belgium Air Force for use as VIP transports.

Airbus A380. Airbus' Best To The World.


User currently offlineKing767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Boeing is currently looking at a 767-200 with a shorter wing, and would be shaped for short range routes. This would be more friendly on shorter range routes. This would be the ultimate A310 replacement.
-Tom, The King of The 767


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

SIA did the right thing ordering more new 92,000lb thrust RR Trent 892 powered 777-200ERs over the underpowered 34,000lb thrust CFM56-5C4 powered A340-300E. 184,000lbs total thrust with the RR Trent 777-200ER vs. 136,000 total thrust with the CFM56 A340-300E.

User currently offlineVASI From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

They just ordered the 777, because Airbus freezed plans of developing an A 300/310 successor, the A 330-500, because of lack of interest.

So the 777 is not a first choice!

VASI


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

VASI, excuse me, but... did YOU understand what you said?  Smile

User currently offlineFrozensun From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

like i said on flyertalk, i have my doubts on the viability of the 772 on some of SQ's current 310 routes, such as male, guangzhou, bandar seri begawan and surabaya. perhaps some short routes could be spun off to silkair to fly its 319s and 320s to, but how about the longer routes which do not see that much demand?

User currently offlineVASI From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Sure I do!
According to some Singaporean officials that´s the way it went.

Regards
VASI


User currently offlineMadog From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

that's bloody great! where did you hear this from?

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

I think it would be more correct to say that since airlines, particularily Singapore, were not interested in the A330-500, Airbus has postponed the program. Therefore, SQ's choices were the 764ER, A332, or more 777s. Out of those choices, the 777 was their first choice. Now who are we to question their decision?

That said, I think Frozensun might be correct, that some of the smaller routes could be transferred to SilkAir, as well as a possible order for A321s from that airline.

Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

The article in Friday'sAustralian newspaper also stated that the last A310 in SQ's fleet would be retired in 2006!
BTW, where do SQ fly their A310's to anyway (apart from Cairns.)?
As stated above this new order for 10 Firm & 10 Options complements an earlier order for (1995) or 61 B777's. I also stand corrected, this order takes the total order to 81 aircraft.

Cheers - BZF Big grin



Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
User currently offlinePhileo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

I just wondered introduction of B772 into some of the high frequency shutter flight like SIN--KUL and SIN--Jakarta will result in reduction of frequency or not.

By the way, the actual A310 replacement will be the newly ordered B772 or the older B772. Beside that, the B772 will be configurate into 2 class or 3 class layout. As far as I concerned, SIA used 2 class B772 for it's SIN--KUL shutter flight.

Anyway, just some of the curiousity regarding the B772 as the A310 replacement.


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