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BA 777s Finally Get Go-ahead For New Club World  
User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5553 times:

Hi

The first BA B777 (G-VIIY) will be off-lined to carry out the New Club World modification on May 5 2008.

The aircraft is planned to be back in service May 29, 2008.

The programme will include AVOD, new Club Seats, Club Kitchen and Microwave.

About time!

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

Yay, finally. How many T7s can they re configured per month??


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User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5419 times:

Thanks for the info. Just out of curiosity, what source are you using?


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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

I'm surprised that it takes nearly a full month to carry out these upgrades.
Isn't that a bit excessive ?


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

They are actually bein a bit smart this time and learned a lesson HOORAH!

Once VIIY is kitted out with the new Club it will fly around for 3 months allowing any 'issues' like those that plagued the new cabin on the 747 to be ironed out instead of going full-steam ahead fitting aircraft with new seats only to bring them back in the hanger constantly for repairs/modifications.

I believe the same will happen when the New FIRST cabin is launched early 2009.


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Somewhat of a tangent to the main topic, but regarding the BA 777s:

I read several months ago that on the 777, the RR engine is more efficient at takeoff and climb and therefore more efficient overall on shorter flights, but that for longer flights the GE engines become more efficient. BA however seems to use their 777s the other way around, with the RR-powered ones usually serving the longest routes.

Any comments?


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5260 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 5):
Somewhat of a tangent to the main topic, but regarding the BA 777s:

I read several months ago that on the 777, the RR engine is more efficient at takeoff and climb and therefore more efficient overall on shorter flights, but that for longer flights the GE engines become more efficient. BA however seems to use their 777s the other way around, with the RR-powered ones usually serving the longest routes.

Any comments?

I beleive that is because the GE ones are not ERs as these were some of the first of the production line!


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12519 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Will the new F Class seats be suites on the 777s? With a bigger F class seat and J class too, the seating capacity on the BA 777s will be driven down quite a bit! Could we be talking about as few as 200 on some aircraft with high numbers of F and J Class.

User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5215 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 3):
I'm surprised that it takes nearly a full month to carry out these upgrades.
Isn't that a bit excessive ?

The upgrades are fitted during a heavy maintenance check at CWL.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 6):
I beleive that is because the GE ones are not ERs as these were some of the first of the production line!

Incorrect, only three of BA's 777s are non-ERs (G-ZZZA,B and C). They are GE powered (albeit earlier version than on the ER), but the vast majority of GE powered BA 777s are ERs.



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5214 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 3):
I'm surprised that it takes nearly a full month to carry out these upgrades.
Isn't that a bit excessive ?

The modifications take place during a scheduled heavy maintenance check. So it is not the seating upgrade that takes that long, it is the maintenance check. BA do the seat modifictaions during these checks to save taking the aircraft out of service twice.


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
Will the new F Class seats be suites on the 777s? With a bigger F class seat and J class too, the seating capacity on the BA 777s will be driven down quite a bit! Could we be talking about as few as 200 on some aircraft with high numbers of F and J Class.

I don't see the configuration/seat count coming down a lot.

With the new Club Cabin it will remain at 48 seats.

The new FIRST cabin, who knows, maybe there will install a couple less than the current 14.

Currently, the standard four class LHR 777 has a total capacity of 224 pax.
14F (doors 1 to 2)
48J (Doors 2 almost down to doors 3)
40W (behind Club, 5 rows in front of doors 3)
122M (doors 3 to 4)

[Edited 2008-04-10 13:09:43]

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12519 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

Surely one of the objectives of any such redesign and installation of a new service product is to increase revenue (particularly given the costs involved, over such a large fleet); with this in mind, I would expect the new product to eat into the existing Y class space.

Whatever they do, I hope they don't go for the "herringbone" type configuration, as used by AC, NZ and others, where you can't look out the window without getting an almighty crick in your neck!


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5135 times:



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 6):
I beleive that is because the GE ones are not ERs as these were some of the first of the production line!

mmm... close but not exactly.....

The G-ZZZ* series are the GE powered A-market 772s. These have a 3-class config with no F.
The G-VII* series (and G-RAES) are the GE powered 772ERs that BA has chosen to refer to as "772IGWs"
The G-YMM* series are the RR powered 772ERs that BA has chosen to refer to as "772ERs"

The 777-200ER and the 777-200IGW are the SAME other than the fact that they have different engines. They are both considered - ER.

So, you can still have a GE90 powered aircraft that is an -ER.



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User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Oh, and thanks to ConcordeBoy for his initial clarification of the type differences for BA's 777. I asked this question a while back and that is his clarification - confirmed by myself through BA internal sources.


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User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

Surely one of the objectives of any such redesign and installation of a new service product is to increase revenue (particularly given the costs involved, over such a large fleet); with this in mind, I would expect the new product to eat into the existing Y class space.

Whatever they do, I hope they don't go for the "herringbone" type configuration, as used by AC, NZ and others, where you can't look out the window without getting an almighty crick in your neck!





The economy seats already account for only half the total seats on board.

The Club World configuration remains the same 2 x 4 x 2.

Seats as per the new seats on the 747.

See: http://www.newclubworld.com/

The configuration works well as the 777 tends to fly on slightly thinner business routes than the 747 (EWR/PHL/SYD/ORD etc) and any more J seats on the aircraft BA feels would eat into load factor.

The 747's have 14 First seats and either 52 or 70 Club seats. All 747's have the new cabin.

[Edited 2008-04-10 13:21:06]

[Edited 2008-04-10 13:22:44]

User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4832 times:



Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 12):
The G-ZZZ* series are the GE powered A-market 772s. These have a 3-class config with no F.

This is actually incorrect also. The interior of these aircraft is infact Four Class with 17 First class seats, the normal 48 club seats, 24 WTP and 127 WT seats with a huge rear galley (fondly referred to as the Ballroom Galley) as there are no lavs at the rear of the aircraft. The cross aisle between the galley and toilets is removed at door two and instead the cross aisle makes up the galley which is how they fit in the extra 3 First seats making them the largest First cabins of any aircraft in the fleet.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2386 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Hey is there any pictures of the new FIRST cabin? The one they got right now seems pretty impressive.


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User currently offlineUzimmermann From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

The last two time I flew in First on BA, it was showing it's age. Problems with the tape players for movies, trim pieces coming off the seats and walls and the closet in front wasn't closing well. I did like flying there. Looking forward to it again SFO<->LHR

User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4392 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 16):
Hey is there any pictures of the new FIRST cabin? The one they got right now seems pretty impressive.

The new first class product has not been released yet, not even to staff. It will probably not be revealed until the end of the year!!!



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7619 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4100 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
Surely one of the objectives of any such redesign and installation of a new service product is to increase revenue (particularly given the costs involved, over such a large fleet); with this in mind, I would expect the new product to eat into the existing Y class space.

The new Club World seats will be fitted in the existing Club World cabin. Since the First class cabin is forward and the Economy class cabin is aft of the Club World cabin on BA 777s it is clear that the new First cabin will be the same size as the existing First Cabin on these aircraft.

Whether or not the new BA 777 First class cabin will have the same passenger capacity as the existing cabin remains to be seen.


User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5090 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Does anyone knows when BA will upgrade their First Class cabin?


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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3964 times:



Quoting JAL (Reply 20):
Does anyone knows when BA will upgrade their First Class cabin?

I think someone mentioned earlier that it would be mid 2009



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3956 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 5):
I read several months ago that on the 777, the RR engine is more efficient at takeoff and climb and therefore more efficient overall on shorter flights, but that for longer flights the GE engines become more efficient. BA however seems to use their 777s the other way around, with the RR-powered ones usually serving the longest routes.

Any comments?

BA's GE90-powered 772ER's are earlier models (delivered 1997-1999) and have 85K lb. of thrust (GE90-85B). By comparison, BA's Trent powered 777's were delivered later (2000-2001) and have 95K lb. of thrust (Trent 895). So obviously the Trent-powered aircraft are more capable (at least in terms of T/O performance). I don't know if this makes any difference in terms of range, but I do know that the Trent-powered aircraft are equipped with overhead crew rests (don't think the GE90 ones are). BA's Trent 777's also may have a higher MTOW, I'm not sure.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7619 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3838 times:



Quoting 747fan (Reply 22):
BA's Trent 777's also may have a higher MTOW, I'm not sure.

Correct. The three 777 236 As are certified with a MTOW of 242,671 kg. The GE powered 777 236 IGWs are certified at 267,619 kg while the RR powered 777 236 ERs are certified at 297,556 kg.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2386 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3830 times:



Quoting Uzimmermann (Reply 17):
The last two time I flew in First on BA, it was showing it's age. Problems with the tape players for movies, trim pieces coming off the seats and walls and the closet in front wasn't closing well. I did like flying there. Looking forward to it again SFO<->LHR

Uzimmermann :

What a/c did you fly first on? the 744? Doesn't BA also have a few 772ERs on order? Maybe they can convert them to the 773ER?



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25 Uzimmermann : Four time SFO to LHR, in August 2005 and then again December 2006, those flights are 744. I have somewhere the notes which registration it was.
26 Blackwidow : Just to clarify the only BA 777 that are 3 class with no F are the ex AML G-VIIO/P/R/(T) as well as the 5 RR G-YMMA/B/C/E/F...
27 VV701 : Four for delivery in first half of next year.
28 AT : I am assuming these are going to be RR powered?
29 Fbgdavidson : I agree some of the seats have definitely seen better days but the closet never closes well. You need to give it a pretty hard slam which can disturb
30 VV701 : Yes. Here is an extract from the BA Press Release dated 2 April 2007: 'British Airways has chosen Rolls-Royce Trent engines to power its four new Boe
31 BA777ER236 : There are actually 6 RR a/c with 3 class - you missed G-YMMD. Cheers
32 SXDFC : Hey I recently ordered a model of a BA 747 ( G-CIVV ) Do any of you know if Victor Victor has the new club world or perhaps will be the first one to g
33 Fbgdavidson : All 747s have the new Club World now. Why do you draw a comparison between the registration on a model and installation of the new First cabin??? I d
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