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Pen-Air Goose Crash In Dutch Harbor  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11900 times:

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/ki...?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1257969

Peninsula Airways Goose suffered significant damage at the Dutch Harbor airport yesterday.

No one can determine if the road across the end of the runway was properly blocked when the Pen-Air Goose was landing. The landing gear grazed the top of a vehicle and the aircraft hit the runway.

Shame too - not too many Geese still flying around up here.

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User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11768 times:

If that plane is to be repaired it's going to take a complete rebuild either that or its a complete w/o. Hopefully this incident won't be used as excuse by the bean counter s at Pen-Air to withdraw the type.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11744 times:



Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 1):
Hopefully this incident won't be used as excuse by the bean counter s at Pen-Air to withdraw the type.

Orin Seybert won't do that . . .

He's been flying Geese around the Aleutians for many years . . .

One was lost several years ago - and never found . . . to this day. Those planes are extremely valuable to Pen-Air for landing at small villages that have no runway - but they have an ocean or a bay  thumbsup 

My sister-in-law is a Pen-Air Exec and I'm sure she'll fill me in on re-build or scrap later.

As an aside> Pen-Air flies Saabs340s these days. By 2012, it has been announced, they will have new Q400s to replace them. Saab wanted to sell them Saab 2000s, but no US carrier flies them and Seybery didn't want the expense of getting FAA certs for the type.

Source: You can read that article at the same link provided above.


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11530 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):

I talked to a guy named Robert Tomlinson this spring about a job and he said they were going for the Saab 2000's but if they couldnt get those then they would go for the Q-400. I think the Q-4 would make an awesome combi, if thats even possible, if not they could probably cut out a few seats and make a bigger cargo hold. My question though....what will fly into DUT, a Q-4 wont make it will full pax, cargo and fuel.....


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11368 times:

Talked to sister-in-law last night.

The bird will be repaired. No idea how long until it's back in the air. Pen-Air has another Goose that's also in the shop.

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 3):
he said they were going for the Saab 2000's but if they couldnt get those then they would go for the Q-400.

Q-400 it is . . .

Excerpt from this article:

http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/ki...?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1057645

"Seybert was traveling this week and unavailable for comment. In his letter to ADOT, he says the company had looked into using the Saab 2000, a larger plane made by the Swedish manufacturer, but that it didn't meet PenAir's needs for a variety of reasons. Because that plane isn't used anywhere else in the United States, PenAir also would have had to undertake the costly process of getting the aircraft certified with the Federal Aviation Administration.

Seybert says in his letter that the availability of used Q400s, which have been manufactured since 1999, is a strong selling point for the aircraft, which he expects to be able to purchase for $8 million apiece by 2015.
"


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11319 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Orin Seybert won't do that .

But I wouldn't put it past Danny.

But it is the only aircraft that they have that can serve Akutan. but based on the photo in the ADN newsite, it looks like a W/O to me...but thank god for the grumman iron works.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/aviation/story/372492.html

Based on the damage I wonder if

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
One was lost several years ago - and never found

I was living at CDB when that happened. It was their turbine goose, and I had helped fuel it on a couple of occasions. They had every CDB based navajo down at Dutch looking for it. I forget the name of the bay they found the oil slick. It was in about 800 feet of water so I don't think anybody ever dived it to confirm, but it was right on the fight path.

For those of you not familiar with the Dutch Harbor airport on one one there is a road that crosses then end of the runway, there is a railroad gate and lights that are keyed to the airport lights that lowers to block traffice when an aircraft comes in. Apparently that gate has been inop for a couple of years.

I remember when I was in Dutch in 1991, the gate was working, great spot to watch Markair lift a 737 off from.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11300 times:



The photo from the ADN website.

I still say that is a write off.

She is one of the Gooses (Geese?) that Pen-Air picked up from the state about 10 years ago when they where replaced with Caravans.

The other thing to consider is that there is a company in North Carolina that is spooling up to put the Goose back into production. I think they are using an old pen-air goose as a pattern. So there are new replacements being built, and pen-air does get right of aircraft.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11274 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 5):
But it is the only aircraft that they have that can serve Akutan.

Exactly what my sis-in-law said . . .

There are simply no replacements for the Goose out there . . . I don't mean replacement a/c, rather a/c that can do what a Goose can do.

My first ride in a Goose was in 1960 . . . departed the Sub Base in Juneau (before the new waterfront was put in) and taxied out into the Channel. Take off was UNDER the old Juneau/Douglas Bridge . . .


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11252 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
There are simply no replacements for the Goose out there

Sad to see that bird broken. I've had many a ride on the Goose that MacMillan Bloedel used years ago to flit around to its various divisions in SW BC. My favourite part of the ride was the trundle down the ramp and into the water, retract wheels, and take off with the bow-wave climbing up to the windows in the early part of the run. I don't know where that Goose went -- but it wouldn't surprise me if it was up in Alaska somewhere

Great aircraft. Surprisingly quiet, too.



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User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11076 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
My first ride in a Goose was in 1960 . . . departed the Sub Base in Juneau (before the new waterfront was put in) and taxied out into the Channel. Take off was UNDER the old Juneau/Douglas Bridge . . .

Wow... this is full of my childhood memories... the old Coastal-Ellis Seadrome.... My friends father was a captain for them... he went on to fly the 727's for AS... Flying the Goose was part of growing up for many in Southeast Alaska...



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11046 times:



Quoting Lono (Reply 9):
Flying the Goose was part of growing up for many in Southeast Alaska...

 checkmark 

I grew up in Skagway . . .

Here's a couple memories for you:





User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10982 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Here's a couple memories for you:

The PBY's were awesome to fly on.... thanks!



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10764 times:

KTUU had a link to some video shot by the local Dutch Harbor TV station.

I still say the aircraft is a write-off.

http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8151124



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10611 times:



Quoting Arrow (Reply 8):
Sad to see that bird broken. I've had many a ride on the Goose that MacMillan Bloedel used years ago to flit around to its various divisions in SW BC. My favourite part of the ride was the trundle down the ramp and into the water, retract wheels, and take off with the bow-wave climbing up to the windows in the early part of the run. I don't know where that Goose went -- but it wouldn't surprise me if it was up in Alaska somewhere

Believe (but cannot confirm) that bird went to Pacific Coastal, who have 5 Geese in service and are I think the world's largest operator of them, at least in sked service, up and down the BC coast. A unique a/c with really special characteristics. Talking to my brother last night, who knows a lot of PCA staff, they spent about $750K to D-check a Goose recently, so they clearly intend to keep it (and by extension the others) in service for some time.

I have no doubt Pen-Air will rebuild this one - perhaps they might look at PCA as an outsource option.

Is this another example of the curse of "Airways" magazine ? They profiled Pen-Air and the Goose only about 2 months ago. One of the more interesting articles I've read in many a moon.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10428 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 13):
I have no doubt Pen-Air will rebuild this one - perhaps they might look at PCA as an outsource option.

One reason why they might is that in the near future they will be able to get new-build gooses (geese?)

Antellies Seaplanes has a production facility in North Carolina and is accepting deposits now

http://www.gooseseaplanes.com



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User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10264 times:

Doesn't PenAir have another Goose based at DUT? I was at Dutch Harbor in September, and N741 was the aircraft I saw in service (took some pics of it taking off).

For the record, I do seem to recall the gate to the road being open, but the flashing lights are pretty conspicuous. I do recall that road has a lot of truck traffic heading over to the loading dock.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10251 times:



Quoting EIPremier (Reply 15):
Doesn't PenAir have another Goose based at DUT?



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Pen-Air has another Goose that's also in the shop.



Quoting EIPremier (Reply 15):
For the record, I do seem to recall the gate to the road being open, but the flashing lights are pretty conspicuous. I do recall that road has a lot of truck traffic heading over to the loading dock.

That's the point of contention with this incident. No one can confirm whether the lights were flashing or if they were, that the driver of the truck saw them.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10160 times:

I've flown on the Goose that Freshwater Adventures in Dillingham has (had?). Amazing aircraft.

I look forward to the day that PenAir replaces the Saab's...I'm not a big fan. Cramped and beat to hell in the interior. The Q400 would be an excellent upgrade.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10030 times:



Quoting EIPremier (Reply 15):
Doesn't PenAir have another Goose based at DUT? I was at Dutch Harbor in September, and N741 was the aircraft I saw in service (took some pics of it taking off).

I think my photo on this site is of the other trooper goose they got, I can't remember the tail number. Pen-Air picked them up in the late 90's when the troopers got Caravans to replace them...A downgrade IMHO.

There should be another goose they got from the troopers.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 17):
I look forward to the day that PenAir replaces the Saab's...I'm not a big fan. Cramped and beat to hell in the interior. The Q400 would be an excellent upgrade.

Call me a pessimist, but on most of Pen-Airs routes the Q400 would be too much airplane. Reeve had the same issue. I will never understand why so many people in this state would prefer 1 large airplane today when you could do the job with 2-4 smaller flights and have more convinence.

I just added some videos of the approaches into Dutch Harbor that a friend of mine shot a number of years ago. You can just make out the road the truck is on off the end of the runway

Dutch Harbor Backdoor 2



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9929 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
There should be another goose they got from the troopers.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Pen-Air has another Goose that's also in the shop.



Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
Call me a pessimist, but on most of Pen-Airs routes the Q400 would be too much airplane. Reeve had the same issue. I will never understand why so many people in this state would prefer 1 large airplane today when you could do the job with 2-4 smaller flights and have more convinence.

Perhaps they're saving $$$ on crew payroll. One flight a day vice three? I think the Q400 will do well on the Dutch, Cold Bay, St. George, St. Paul and Dillingham runs, but I don't see a reason for them into places like McGrath.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9742 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
I think the Q400 will do well on the Dutch, Cold Bay, St. George, St. Paul and Dillingham runs, but I don't see a reason for them into places like McGrath.

Dut and Dillingham you could justify them, but not into the Priblofs or CDB.



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9689 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Dut and Dillingham you could justify them

King Salmon too.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
I just added some videos of the approaches into Dutch Harbor

Amazing that AS put down 732's on that sidewalk of a runway for so many years.



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