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Midwest And Their MD-80's  
User currently offlineMariner63 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Following the incident with AA and their MD-80's involving the current inspections going on with them. Midwest has taken precautionary measurement by going ahead and checking their the 13 MD-80's also. After these inspections are done, does anyone see in the near future a replacement coming for the Midwest MD-80's? Due to soaring fuel prices, it would seem economical to look for newer airplanes to replace them with. But it seems that Midwest is actually picking up a few new 80's (N822ME, N823ME). Also a replacement would be hard if the choose the 737 lets say due to their Signature Service seating arrangement. So what do you guys think about possible replacements or any other alternatives to their MD-80's? All opinions are welcome.

-Jared

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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2792 times:



Quoting Mariner63 (Thread starter):
But it seems that Midwest is actually picking up a few new 80's (N822ME, N823ME).

They are? So it would be 15 MD80s in the fleet?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12058 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

What makes the MD-80 series attractive to some airlines is they are cheap and available. Most airlines don't want them anymore, but the few that can use them they are a bargin.

But the amount of fuel they burn, compared to more modern jets offsets some of the price/lease advantages.

Direct replacements to the MD-80 series airplanes (except the MD-87) would be the B-737-700/-800 or the A-319/-320 airplanes. But, the two B-737 models and A-319 have a significant increase in range and cargo capacity. The A-320's range matches the range of the MD-83/-88 (it has more range than the MD-82), but the Airbus carries much more cargo.


User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

I have been wondering about those new MD-80's they are taking online. I looked them up on airfleets.net

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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2817 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2708 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 1):
Quoting Mariner63 (Thread starter):
But it seems that Midwest is actually picking up a few new 80's (N822ME, N823ME).

They are? So it would be 15 MD80s in the fleet?

I believe the original poster is referring to the two M80's added last year. There's no word about them adding any more M80's, and it's very unlikely given the current downturn.


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2702 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 4):
believe the original poster is referring to the two M80's added last year. There's no word about them adding any more M80's, and it's very unlikely given the current downturn.

I am looking at airfleets.net site and it says Midwest has 13 MD80s active and 2 MD80s stored. I am confused.  confused 


User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2817 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Midwest has been public with their desire to acquire M80 replacements for a couple of years now, specifically the 737-800 or the Airbus A320. Their preference is to acquire late-model used aircraft.

The anti-takeover fight likely made it more difficult for the company to reach a deal for M80 replacements. The deal which took Midwest private closed about 10 weeks ago, and speculation was that the new ownership would allow Midwest to better arrange for the 737/A320 program. However as the aviation downturn has grown more dark in February/March/April, a Midwest official was recently quoted saying that the M80's are going to be around for awhile. It's not clear what that exactly meant. Does that mean the 737/A320 program is shelved? Not necessarily Were (for example) Midwest to annouce tomorrow that they had arranged to acquire 15 737's, it would be well into 2009 at the earliest before all the M80's were gone. So no matter what the M80's won't be replaced anytime soon.

I don't think the current M80 inspection issues change Midwest's M80 plans at all, one way or another.

And on that topic, Midwest's scheduled M80 flights appear back to normal this evening. The only cancellation left is the return trip of a flight cancelled earlier this morning.


User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2644 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 5):
I am looking at airfleets.net site and it says Midwest has 13 MD80s active and 2 MD80s stored. I am confused.

Midwest has 13 MD-80's and none in storage with one soon to go. N812ME has been sold. It is getting an engine swapped off it right now and will probably be leaving soon. So in reality Midwest is down to 12. I have not heard of them getting anymore and with the cuts they say are coming that is a pretty sure bet.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2230 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

I really think an airline like YX should take a close look at acquiring some of the soon to be ex-SV MD-90's. They should be cheap to acquire, since the flightdeck is different than most MD-90's, which will deter many potential customers. But the upgraded MD-11 cockpit of these -90's is very close to the 717, which YX operates. The MD-90 is much more fuel efficient, and while it does not offer the range, quite frankly, YX doesn't need that anyway.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12058 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2508 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 6):
Midwest has been public with their desire to acquire M80 replacements for a couple of years now, specifically the 737-800 or the Airbus A320. Their preference is to acquire late-model used aircraft.

Looks like their wishes have been answered. TZ had several B-737-800, with blended winglets, that are now available for lease/purchase.


User currently offlineCFMitch56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

If not secondhand 737 or A320s, are any new-build production slots likely to open up as other airlines start behaving extra cautiously--conserving cash and cutting/slowing capacity--by deferring or unload near-term orders?

Also, do the 738s that DL ordered (but is selling/leasing away) already have takers? I thought I read WS was taking some.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2350 times:



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 8):
I really think an airline like YX should take a close look at acquiring some of the soon to be ex-SV MD-90's. They should be cheap to acquire, since the flightdeck is different than most MD-90's, which will deter many potential customers. But the upgraded MD-11 cockpit of these -90's is very close to the 717, which YX operates. The MD-90 is much more fuel efficient, and while it does not offer the range, quite frankly, YX doesn't need that anyway.

What is the commonality between the MD-90 and either the MD-80 or 717 as far as a type rating?

If it's on its own type rating, it may not be so desireable for YX given the costs involved of acquiring and certifying a new type.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12058 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2226 times:



Quoting JBo (Reply 11):
What is the commonality between the MD-90 and either the MD-80 or 717 as far as a type rating?

It could be the same.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2230 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2088 times:



Quoting JBo (Reply 11):
What is the commonality between the MD-90 and either the MD-80 or 717 as far as a type rating?

If it's on its own type rating, it may not be so desireable for YX given the costs involved of acquiring and certifying a new type.

I believe it is the same, but if not the training would be marginal anyway. The commonality between the 717 and SV MD-90s is the nearly identical flightdeck. Undesirable? Well, there is no way around certifying a new type if they want to expand the fleet beyond the 717s with A320s or 737s. Second, as far as acquisition costs go, it would be quite a steal, in comparison to the aforementioned comparisons. Given the uniqueness of the SV fleet and low residual value, its a rare opportunity for YX to acquire modern aircraft at a bargain price.



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User currently offlineSideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Boeing has already been to town trying to get Midwest to take those planes. About a month ago I think.

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