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Virgin America To Get $100 Million Injection  
User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5374 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12574 times:

Saturday's WSJ says current US and UK investors will inject a fresh $100 million into Virgin America in the coming weeks.

So Virgin gets some breathing room.


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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12556 times:

Good to hear. I wish that some investors would do this to other airlines that may need it.


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User currently offlineFruteBrute From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12560 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Thread starter):
Saturday's WSJ says current US and UK investors will inject a fresh $100 million into Virgin America in the coming weeks.

So Virgin gets some breathing room.

Excellent news! VX is here in the USA for the long haul. Losing a couple hundred million in order to be one of the remaning players in the marketplace while weaker airlines collapse isn't all that bad really.


User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12520 times:



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 2):
Excellent news! VX is here in the USA for the long haul. Losing a couple hundred million in order to be one of the remaning players in the marketplace while weaker airlines collapse isn't all that bad really.

That is the most profound thing I think I have ever read before. C'mon...seriously?


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32625 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12523 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 1):
Good to hear. I wish that some investors would do this to other airlines that may need it.

It isn't about doing it to other airlines that "may need it," it's about injecting cash to airlines that have viable business plans and a potentially bright future, but are suffering due to current market environments. Hence, Virgin America gets a cash injection, and Skybus shuts down.



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12456 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
it's about injecting cash to airlines that have viable business plans and a potentially bright future, but are suffering due to current market environments. Hence, Virgin America gets a cash injection, and Skybus shuts down.

Yeah, thats what I meant. Obviously you aren't going to inject cash into an airline like a Skybus, (or a jet America either apparently). Maybe an airline like F9 could use this.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12427 times:
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Quoting MKE22 (Reply 5):
Maybe an airline like F9 could use this.

I hope not. I doubt Frontier would want to be saddled with the additional debt.

Virgin America's debt is now up to about $400 million, which has to be serviced and - eventually - repaid somehow.

mariner



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12413 times:



Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 2):
Excellent news! VX is here in the USA for the long haul. Losing a couple hundred million in order to be one of the remaning players in the marketplace while weaker airlines collapse isn't all that bad really.

During the market crash of 29 and the depression of the 1930s, there was great money to be made by those who didn't panic. I think VX has a decent business plan (though they MUST adjust their F class product). Not sure how their expansion will go though.

But if there are investors who want to throw in money, that's their right. As long as it's still 75% domestic money...  Wink



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User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2027 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12375 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
During the market crash of 29 and the depression of the 1930s, there was great money to be made by those who didn't panic. I think VX has a decent business plan (though they MUST adjust their F class product). Not sure how their expansion will go though.

What is the problem with their F product?

baw716



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12353 times:



Quoting BAW716 (Reply 8):
What is the problem with their F product?

It is too hard to book because it sells out so far in advance and the section is small (8 seats).

This means lost revenue and lost business customers who can't plan 2 weeks in advance. The Y cabin has low loads, so it's just throwing high yield traffic away to run things this way.

I'd say they know what they are doing, but they are losing money daily on operations, so there are things they can fix.



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User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2027 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12315 times:

Thanks Ikramerica...makes sense.

What this tells me is that they are selling their F product at too low a price point, so leisure customers are purchasing the seats far out in advance. If they were to increase their F price then adjust based on load (e.g. if loads high don't drop, if loads low, bring it down a lot).

I agree with you, eight seats tend to sell out pretty fast. However, I think they have to pull an additional 12 seats out of the aircraft to get another row of four F class seats. I'm not sure that doing that wouldn't adversely affect the yield mix on the airplane...although if the loads are low, then yield mix really isn't the problem.

baw716



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User currently offlineFruteBrute From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12262 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
It is too hard to book because it sells out so far in advance and the section is small (8 seats).

This means lost revenue and lost business customers who can't plan 2 weeks in advance. The Y cabin has low loads, so it's just throwing high yield traffic away to run things this way

My guess is this will be one of the first things they alter. Boosting F seat count on the routes that support it, and having the "standard" 8 seats on routes with less demand. They currently only have what, 16 aircraft in service? As they can get more predictible load #s and yield they will address this.


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12211 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
I hope not. I doubt Frontier would want to be saddled with the additional debt.

Virgin America's debt is now up to about $400 million, which has to be serviced and - eventually - repaid somehow.

mariner

Certainly one of the less insightful things said about the airline business recently.


Not only are the terms of the cash infusion undisclosed, but what's the other option.....quit operating?


The company apparently has the credit or the an appealing enough plan for outside investors to chip in more money.
That's not a bad thing no matter how slanted your viewpoints are.



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User currently offlineFruteBrute From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12176 times:

Yesterday Sir Richard Branson said:

Quote:
Despite increasing economic turbulence in the U.S. airline industry, startup Virgin America Inc. will survive, its founder said.

Richard Branson, the British billionaire who conceived of the low-cost airline, told reporters on Thursday, "They're doing well ahead of budget and we're very happy with the performance."

Branson said he is "extremely pleased" with Virgin America, predicting it will overcome industry challenges that will sink competing carriers."If you sit here in three or four years time, it'll be flying to all the major American cities," according to Reuters news service.

He put his money where his mouth is.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12080 times:
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Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 12):
Not only are the terms of the cash infusion undisclosed, but what's the other option.....quit operating?

I can only think you did not read the statement to which I was responding. The suggestion was that someone invest $100 million in Frontier.

In Frontier. Not Virgin America.

I would need a micron spectrometer to find my interest in Virgin America's finances, but I care - very much - about the future of Frontier.

mariner

[Edited 2008-04-11 23:01:28]


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User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12045 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
It is too hard to book because it sells out so far in advance and the section is small (8 seats).

This means lost revenue and lost business customers who can't plan 2 weeks in advance. The Y cabin has low loads, so it's just throwing high yield traffic away to run things this way.

Are you sure? I flew VX two weeks ago, and there was one empty F seat when I checked in (I was given the option to upgrade to it) and Y was 100% filled. Granted, it was the back-to-college day, but with 3 Bay Area airports and 3 airlines serving SF Bay-SAN, it was rather surprising (the open F seat even more surprising).



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12024 times:



Quoting Anonms (Reply 15):
Are you sure? I flew VX two weeks ago, and there was one empty F seat when I checked in (I was given the option to upgrade to it) and Y was 100% filled. Granted, it was the back-to-college day, but with 3 Bay Area airports and 3 airlines serving SF Bay-SAN, it was rather surprising (the open F seat even more surprising).

The transocns are the other way around every time I've looked to book them. LAX-SFO is also hard to find an F seat depending on the day.

And no, you can't go by the peak load factor. Holiday travel is usually inverse to normal traffic. Lower premium demand with Y section packed.

But an airline can't depend on filling an oversized Y cabin 10 days a year and leaving F revenue on the table 300 days a year.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6713 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11895 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
It is too hard to book because it sells out so far in advance and the section is small (8 seats).

This means lost revenue and lost business customers who can't plan 2 weeks in advance. The Y cabin has low loads, so it's just throwing high yield traffic away to run things this way.

I suppose one problem is that they're probably not going to be able to sell many F seats on the short-haul routes -- but then the revenue they'd forgo on the short hauls is probably far lower than what they could gain on the transcon flights by having more $500-900 F seats filled and selling fewer $139 tickets from SFO to JFK. They could probably get in two additional rows of F by eliminating three rows of Y; it would also make sense to perhaps roll this out on the A320s and use those primarily on the transcon routes.

Quoting Anonms (Reply 15):
Are you sure? I flew VX two weeks ago, and there was one empty F seat when I checked in (I was given the option to upgrade to it) and Y was 100% filled. Granted, it was the back-to-college day, but with 3 Bay Area airports and 3 airlines serving SF Bay-SAN, it was rather surprising (the open F seat even more surprising).

F seats are less likely to sell on short hauls simply because the additional value is far less. There's a difference between being in a Y seat with 31" pitch for one hour versus six hours (not to mention how much free food, drink, or movies one can consume).

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 12):
Not only are the terms of the cash infusion undisclosed, but what's the other option.....quit operating?

The company apparently has the credit or the an appealing enough plan for outside investors to chip in more money.
That's not a bad thing no matter how slanted your viewpoints are.

Or there are certain other "undisclosed" conditions which may be inducing "U.S. investors" to loan money to VX.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21478 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11839 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 18):
They could probably get in two additional rows of F by eliminating three rows of Y; it would also make sense to perhaps roll this out on the A320s and use those primarily on the transcon routes.

I had proposed doing that, but it would also require cutting F pitch from 55" to 50" in rows 2-4 (keeping 55" in row one since it's already sort of restricted).

3x32"+1x55"=151", 151"/3=50"

This is in line with AA's J pitch on the transcons, and it's perfectly fine in my experience. I've flown AA's product a few times, and I don't miss the 5 inches compared to CO's BF seat on the 757, for instance. VX would be selling the same pitch with a better seat, better video package, for less money than AA.

Of course AA has 30 seats per plane, + 9F, and more frequencies, which really benefits business travelers. But 16F is still better than the tiny 8F they have now.



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User currently offlineFruteBrute From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11798 times:



Quoting ScottB (Reply 18):
F seats are less likely to sell on short hauls simply because the additional value is far less. There's a difference between being in a Y seat with 31" pitch for one hour versus six hours (not to mention how much free food, drink, or movies one can consume).

I have flown first on transcon on them for that reason. Having a nice wide, comfortable seat with the built in massager is worth the $ 579 fare for an almost 6 hour flight. (Although JetBlue's 36"+ inches in legroom is pretty darned nice too). For a quick trip from SFO to LAS I don't feel it's worth an extra $100 to fly first. I pay $40 to upgrade on Airtran for shorter flights about 1/2 the time.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6713 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11742 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
I had proposed doing that, but it would also require cutting F pitch from 55" to 50" in rows 2-4 (keeping 55" in row one since it's already sort of restricted).

They might be able to steal a few inches from the first row of Y as well and give up the "premium seat" revenue from those. They could also add one row of F at the 55", remove two rows of Y, and instead make the first four rows of Y "premium coach," but I don't know how the demand for the premium seats has been looking.


User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11545 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
And no, you can't go by the peak load factor. Holiday travel is usually inverse to normal traffic. Lower premium demand with Y section packed.

True, although given how early people tend to buy tickets (and therefore how fast the cost of tickets rise), you'd figure more people would be willing to pay $19 more for F, even if the difference on a 1 hour flight is minimal.

That said, I do agree that VX should make the F cabin larger. 8 seats is just such a small amount...



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10768 times:



Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 3):
Quoting FruteBrute (Reply 2):
Excellent news! VX is here in the USA for the long haul. Losing a couple hundred million in order to be one of the remaning players in the marketplace while weaker airlines collapse isn't all that bad really.



Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 3):
That is the most profound thing I think I have ever read before. C'mon...seriously?

Too bad you don't agree. It makes perfect sense to any European investor.



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User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1069 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10702 times:

as much as virgin america is a very nice airline. they need to go away too. too much capacity in the industry . i mean how many airlines do you need between sfo-jfk really? i think the only airlines that should remain is wn, aa,dl,&ual. nw,us,&co. would all be absorbed through mergers with dl,aa,ual respectively. well let me fix that because there are a few lcc's that should remain like jb and airtran . that's it.

User currently offlineNk319 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

LMAO...Wow, an extra 100 million in cash for Virgin America. They remind meo fo Independence Air, just without the CRJ's. I dont think Virign is next in line but within a year or so they will be. It was a nice thought but B6 has beat them to the routes they wanted and there is NO WAY they are getting an inch of wiggle room in JFK. Virgin is bleeding money so fast..What a shame.

25 EXAAUADL : Actually one of the greatest bull markets of all time was June 1932 to fall 1936. It actually rivaled the bull markets of the 1980s and 1990s in % te
26 LawnDart : Huh? It's called throwing good money after bad... Let's see...I can loose $200 million, or I can loose $400 million...hmm, decisions, decisions... Wh
27 Osiris30 : VX is a tiny tiny tiny part of the capacity problem.. just like SX going away didn't solve any issues nor will VX. And who are you to preordain which
28 Nk319 : Osiris30, I didnt say I know more about finances than anybody in here. I do know enough to realize that if load factors are at 50 to 60% that your los
29 Etops1 : what ever you say osiris but it's the truth . we do not need another airlines in the skies above the usa . and i am not preordaining anything i am jus
30 Osiris30 : No one has claimed otherwise.. the question is: Are 50-60% load factors at or ahead of schedule.. No new airline leaves the gate with sustained 75%+
31 Luv2fly : You better shot a little higher as if you only make 100M your still in the hole.
32 Post contains links Osiris30 : Profit... "the ratio of such pecuniary gain to the amount of capital invested.". http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/profit The reference was from
33 VS11 : Well, good to finally settle this long-standing Virgin America survival issue. And I am happy to say some of us have been right all along that Virgin
34 Nk319 : VS11, How is it settled that they would make it? LOL... When they turn a few profits actually get a descent share of the markets there in a actually f
35 NW748i : I guess this means my trip to SFO in June is safe...
36 Luv2fly : I'll wait for the fat lady to sing. And survival issue to me is not solved, only more time to burn through this money, like a whore with a sailor.
37 Nk319 : 748i..... Yes your trip is safe to SFO if you booked on B6, UA, AA, or DL...You might be safe for June if booked on VX. I wouldnt book another flight
38 VS11 : It has been widely speculated that VX would fail in the current environment and there were a couple of discussions where we examined the options of t
39 Avek00 : VS' recent history undercuts that assertion bigtime, what with ordering a large fleet of twinjets (4 Engines 4 Long Haul?) and selling half of VS to
40 MasseyBrown : Virgin America reiterated that they do not plan to make a profit until 2010. In another small item Virgin was whining that they will have to postpone
41 LawnDart : So what you're saying is the choice is between losing $200 million or $300 million?!? In this example, there is no $100 million profit - it's a $300
42 FreequentFlier : How much start up financing did VX get initially? $100 million dollars is not a lot these days in cash reserves, although they are not a very large ca
43 N174UA : I would use that micron spectrometer to analyze the Statement of Cash Flows for F9, and continue to do so, especially the section about operating cas
44 EXAAUADL : Isnt that how TWA manged to survive from their last profit in 1988 until 2001?
45 Luv2cattlecall : You said that you wanted to try VX, implying that you haven't flown them yet. Therefore, how the hell can you be certain that B6 has a better product
46 Asteriskceo : VX isn't going anywhere. I'm sorry to disappoint those who feel threatened and jealous by them, but a nice $100 million injection of botox will keep V
47 SpencerII : As I recall you were one that also said they would never get in the air. It happened contrary to what you were indicating would happen.
48 FruteBrute : Nah, DL and NWA should "go away". Last time I checked the American airline industry was a free market. You, nor I get to unilaterally choose who gets
49 Osiris30 : No.. it's called investing.. it's something you do for FUTURE returns. Obviously this fact is either lost on you, or you are just being difficult, so
50 Lightsaber : I feel like I owe the staff of Virgin America an apology. Why? I honestly didn't think Branson would back his words with enough cash to matter. I was
51 Live2fly83 : so, after startup captial of 300m and a 100m infusion VX is now - 400m with a 35m loss in its first quarter (even with a limited schedule at the time)
52 LawnDart : Nice analogy...but even a botox face lift wears off eventually, and the ugly truth is once again revealed! Listen, how many aircraft is Virgin Americ
53 FruteBrute : Since you've never flown them, nor have any plans to fly them in the future why do you care? In fact you should support them since you are claiming t
54 AirNZ : Hmm! will you also do the same, and at the appropriate time admit you were wrong?
55 AirNZ : Another who has no personal knowledge of the product, airline, it's finances or basically anything else connected with it, yet keeps on passing 'expe
56 Caribbean484 : I too would like to see VX survive and weather this storm, quite frankly I would like to see them here in MIA sometime in the near future. However I'm
57 JFK787NYC : The airline business does not fall under one of the types of businesses to make a fortune off of during a depression.
58 Luv2fly : Yes I was, I also said SX would not make it, and Oasis was an awful idea, so using that data, I am more right then wrong, stay tuned the fat lady is
59 Asteriskceo : Maybe if people like you quit predicting/rooting for all start ups to go belly up, then some of them would still be belly down. An airline is only as
60 Ikramerica : I wasn't even aware EWR was at the stage of selling slots. In fact, they aren't. They will be limiting the number of movements at the airport, but th
61 Post contains links FruteBrute : http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...-FIN-US-Virgin-America-Service.php
62 LawnDart : But, in your example I was referring to, you said: If that's your idea of investing, I wouldn't hire you as my stockbroker! How do you know I've neve
63 FruteBrute : I based that on your very own words. You said: Which is clear to me at least you have never flown them, nor have any plans to do so. How could it hav
64 Post contains images Luv2fly : Excuse me FA I would rather be seated next to the screaming baby over this guy! This ad does nothing for me, other than say unwashed backpacker in ro
65 Ikramerica : I guess it's not bullhockeypucks. Does the DOT take into account redundancy of service? I would hope so, with so many NYC-LA and NYC-Bay Area flights
66 FruteBrute : I have no idea. I just read that article earlier. If you've read the article, then you know as much as I do now on it. I would imagine more will be f
67 LawnDart : Actually, what I said was: I was trying to make an example...the word IF, as in IF a frequent flyer...granted it wasn't clear.
68 Luv2fly : Not planning on it, though who knows if they manage to make it maybe I'll go slumming.
69 FruteBrute : Ok minus the intent or semantics, I was correct you hadn't flown them nor are planning to, so as I asked previously: So I'm confused by your behavior
70 AirNZ : Other than the airline's finances, which are none of my business, I certainly have more personal knowledge of the carrier and it's product that you a
71 AirNZ : Then exactly what point are you making, or trying to make? Indeed, if you're that disinterested in the airline why are you even reading the thread?
72 N174UA : I'd have to look at their statement of cash flows to confirm, but just from what you've said above, it's highly likely.
73 ChiGB1973 : Goodness, did B6 or DL send some cheerleaders over to Virgin. You boys and girls are staunch supporters. Good for you. Looks like Virgin needs all the
74 AirNZ : You've lost me on that one and, surely as written, that would apply to any US legacy carrier as well.
75 BravoGolf : I am not a VX supporter or detractor. Read the three above quotes. It's called business 101. You go in for the long haul, not for short term profits.
76 Osiris30 : Good lord man! Let me try this again. I can invest $200M and the company can go under.. or I can throw in another $200M and turn it into a long term
77 FruteBrute : As I posted on yesterday's "VX Next To Go Bankrupt" thread (which seems to be a daily rant around these parts) I posted: They aren't "giving" airfare
78 AirNZ : Well said indeed FruteBrute, and echo's both my own experiences and what I've been trying to say.
79 AirNZ : I think it's way over his reasoning Osiris, but good luck. As I said earlier, hasn't a clue but determined to be an expert on here in finance.
80 MAH4546 : They are running promotions by the dozens. Every other week I get "X% off your next flight" coupons in my inbox (the latest was 30%). They recently g
81 SpruceMoose : I don't see much cheerleading. I see a lot of people saying they're glad that the VX investors are taking the long view and supporting their investme
82 LawnDart : Let me try this again: You can invest $200 million and the company can go under. Your loss: $200 million Or, you can throw in another $200 million an
83 Osiris30 : Yes... You are... The meaning of the word profit! Which indicates a sum that is returned in EXCESS of the investment. A profit of $100M on a $400M in
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