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Ryan Air To Enter Greek Market!  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12404 times:

According to some news reports in the Greek media Ryan Air is to enter the Greek market soon. The first routes at tipped to be DUB-ATH and LPL-ATH .

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User currently offlinePlobax From France, joined Jan 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12365 times:

Where is exactly ATH for them ? Somewhere between Patra and Volos ?  sarcastic 

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12350 times:



Quoting Plobax (Reply 1):
Where is exactly ATH for them ? Somewhere between Patra and Volos ?

LOL.... no it will be IST ...haha only joking...... It will actually be ATH Eleftherios Venizelos airport. So its the real Athens!!!


User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12313 times:



Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
According to some news reports in the Greek media Ryan Air is to enter the Greek market soon. The first routes at tipped to be DUB-ATH and LPL-ATH .

Yes it will be DUB and LPL, the FR site confirms that. Just go to online check in and select ATH, you'll see it there. Interesting that they chose LPL though, and not STN.


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12317 times:
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Quoting Plobax (Reply 1):
Where is exactly ATH for them ? Somewhere between Patra and Volos ?

- Good one!! - Very funny indeed  

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
The first routes at tipped to be DUB-ATH and LPL-ATH .

- Intersting, I would have thought STN over LPL.

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[Edited 2008-04-12 02:29:34]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12305 times:



Quoting EI320 (Reply 3):
chose LPL though, and not STN.

I think they chose that as there is too much competition in the London area LTN/LHR/STN/LGW already served. DUB will be interesting and hopefully make EI bring their fares down as they have been very high !!


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12301 times:

I am wondering if that´s true ...

Especially because in particular at ATH the taxes are extremely high ...
(or is ATH desperately looking for new carriers and offering discounts unheard of so far ??? )



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12279 times:



Quoting MHG (Reply 6):
(or is ATH desperately looking for new carriers and offering discounts unheard of so far ??? )

Maybe FR see they could make alot of money on such routes .


Athens International Airport S.A. - Positive financial performance in 2007


Continuing its track record of positive financial performance, Athens International Airport (AIA) posted positive financial results for 2007, compiled in accordance with the principles of the International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS) and the adoption of the relating IFRIC 12 “Service Concession Arrangements”.

With passenger traffic beating a new record of 16.5 million in 2007 (+10% on a year-to-year basis

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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7313 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11904 times:



Quoting EI320 (Reply 3):
Just go to online check in and select ATH, you'll see it there.

Online Check-in isnt accurate.

However, with the amount of aircraft FR are ordering Greece is a natural extension for them, as is Cyprus.



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User currently offlineEICVD From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11775 times:

Was bound to happen sometime, Turkey next?

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11778 times:



Quoting EI320 (Reply 3):

Yes it will be DUB and LPL, the FR site confirms that. Just go to online check in and select ATH, you'll see it there. Interesting that they chose LPL though, and not STN.



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):

Online Check-in isnt accurate.

ATH-LPL and ATH-DUB were flown as special (expensive) flights by Ryanair during the Champions League football final in Athens, Liverpool-AC Milan. That must be why they are still listed on the OLCI-page.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11758 times:



Quoting MHG (Reply 6):
(or is ATH desperately looking for new carriers and offering discounts unheard of so far ??? )

I think Ryanair is running out of Central-European airports willing to obey their rules.
Should they consider to work as a "normal" airline ,hundreds of new airports would be willing to accommodate their flights.At this stage I don't see the model expanding indefinitely into Europe ,considering the rising fuel-supplements charges and airport taxes,reaching insane levels of 30-35 € /flightsegment .



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17149 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11744 times:

So now when they will start service to Greek, can we see them serve Turkey and Iceland soon??


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11730 times:



Quoting EICVD (Reply 9):
Was bound to happen sometime, Turkey next?

Only when there's an open skies agreement. For the moment, they can only fly from Ireland to Turkey.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
I think Ryanair is running out of Central-European airports willing to obey their rules.
Should they consider to work as a "normal" airline ,hundreds of new airports would be willing to accommodate their flights.

It seems that Ryanair and traditional airports are finding each other better and better. IMO, both parties are compromising: primary airports are willing to offer good deals, and Ryanair accepts to pay a bit more. They have indicated in their financial reports, for example, that the airports fees they pay to MAD are higher than their average, but that the passenger yield is higher too. I guess the same can be said for BHX, EDI, VLC and ALC.

On the other hand, traditional airports are taking LCCs more and more serious. They recognize the potential for external revenues and find ways to exploit it. Also, in the current economic conditions, some airports will face reductions in traffic. MXP is of course the first airport to suffer from the state of Alitalia; and whatever happens with AZ (collapse or take-over), capacity will be reduced creating capacity at airports.

There are more airlines on the brink of collapse or at least capacity reduction: Olympic, Centralwings, Vueling, SkyEurope all have difficult times and any failure will create capacity at airports.


User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11716 times:

OA260,
Is this good news? What will it do to Greek Aviation? And how will these flights do in winter?


User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11670 times:

Ryan will face fierce regulation in Turkey. Remember, Turkey is not part of EU and Turkish carriers cannot set up shop in EU and vice versa. They will need to convince Turkish CAB for a route or two. EasyJet had many issues before and I don't think neither Turks or Germans are willing to share the pie with other Europeans in lucrative Germany-Turkey routes. (Similar route structure of Poland - England route).

I am surprised that anyone is willing to put up with the discomfort of Ryan 738 in such a long leg of ATH-DUB.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
LOL.... no it will be IST ...haha only joking...... It will actually be ATH Eleftherios Venizelos airport. So its the real Athens!!!

Good one.. I guess when they announce IST the real airport would be Saloniki?  Smile



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11583 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 14):
OA260,
Is this good news? What will it do to Greek Aviation? And how will these flights do in winter?

Yes it is good news and it wont really damage anything much such as A3 or OA. FR should look at NCL-ATH also. For DUB it will be good to have some competition against EI and bring fares down. Airlines think ''Greece'' so we can fleece everyone!!! We have been fleeced for years .


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11545 times:

Wasn't DUB-ATH flown by Malev for a while? It seems a rather long route for FR.


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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11522 times:

"Ryan Air To Enter Greek Market!"

Will be nice to see their 767s and 757s in Greece!


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11515 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 14):
Is this good news? What will it do to Greek Aviation? And how will these flights do in winter?

As much as I like Greece as country and it's people as very warm and hospital citizens,as much I think that Greek aviation is lacking the dynamics and entrepreneurship of Turkish aviation.Olympic is a ruin since ten years and far from being renovated . Aegean is well run and well manged -but that's about it -so what's left ????
Greece has been a country of private entrepreneurship since hundreds of years but seems to be missing the boat in aviation .For a country with such a huge tourist-infrastructure and dependence,that's incomprehensible.



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User currently offlineOlympicATH From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11484 times:



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 17):
Wasn't DUB-ATH flown by Malev for a while? It seems a rather long route for FR.

AFAIK Malev flew the route 3 times weekly a couple of years ago but it only lasted one summer season.
Since last year, Aer Lingus has a seasonal service to ATH (April to October). 3 weekly last year, 4 this year.


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11462 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 10):
ATH-LPL and ATH-DUB were flown as special (expensive) flights by Ryanair during the Champions League football final in Athens, Liverpool-AC Milan. That must be why they are still listed on the OLCI-page.

So FR flying scheduled services to ATH is pure speculation at the moment is it?



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User currently offlineRojam From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11326 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 21):
So FR flying scheduled services to ATH is pure speculation at the moment is it?

Yup, would appear to be, flights of fantasy - I cannot see one iota of FR-accredited evidence to give credence to this thread.

Quoting RobK (Reply 18):
Will be nice to see their 767s and 757s in Greece!

The demand between Athens and Rockford Illinois is only mad Ted.

I want to go to Athens on or around May 16th - would be good to have more than one direct carrier from DUB. As usual, it's unwise to book Aer Lingus as they'll probably be on strike yet again, charlatans that they are. Best bet at the moment is via PRG with OK on the way out (nice late arrival - early am) and via CDG with AF on the way home (nice late departure).

[Edited 2008-04-12 09:37:08]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11227 times:



Quoting Rojam (Reply 22):
I cannot see one iota of FR-accredited evidence to give credence to this thread.



Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
According to some news reports in the Greek media

According to I said .

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
Ryan Air is to enter the Greek market soon.

Soon . No dates or months were given. So we will have to wait until if and when FR make an announcement.


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11150 times:
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Not to nitpick, but is there a way the title can be changed to "Ryanair"? I ask because it would help this thread come up in the future when people do a search for "Ryanair". Thanks!


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25 OA260 : Yes I have sent an email asking for this
26 Luv2cattlecall : With DM running the show, you may have better luck emailing FR asking them to change their name to Ryan Air !
27 AwysBSB : Next season, Ryanair will suspend some flights out of Bremen and the reason for this might be their expansion in Greece.[Edited 2008-04-12 20:24:49]
28 Super737 : This is good to see more ryanair expansion! IMHO I think we will start to see FR & U2 becoming more like WN by operating longer sectors although this
29 RussianJet : I don't think they need to 'consider to work as a normal airline' when they are roundly kicking most people's butts in terms of their performance. Th
30 Awthompson : Just call it by the correct name. I'm really surprised you haven't noticed that it's "Ryanair"!
31 Burkhard : This early morning at 5:30 I happened to be at HHN. I counted 11 Ryanair 737-800 parked there. Who could have imagined that HHN would come near to its
32 Joost : This sounds very much like speculation. What do you mean with "next season"? The winter, or summer 2009? This winter, Ryanair will ground 20 aircraft
33 OA260 : Could be but looking at the ATH website Ryanair is listed in their airlines list and I did not see that before. Who knows!!! Hope you enjoyed the sur
34 Post contains links Joost : Eh, where? http://www.aia.gr/pages.asp?pageid=993&langid=2 I only see Royal Jordanian listed under "R".
35 AwysBSB : I am not speculating about anything, I am just considering a reason for some services be suspended. As I see on their website they are halting flight
36 OA260 : Look a bit harder .... Im not going to do the work for you !!!!
37 Humberside : The reduction at Bremen have been compensated for by increases on other routes, such as EDI, plus new services to Haugesund and Salzburg
38 Joost : That's of course right. Since the launch, FR have been adding routes and reducing frequencies constantly. In an earlier round, BUD and BTS have been
39 6thfreedom : Are these flights likely to be daylight or back of clock operations?
40 Smeg : I have actually been more comfortable on FR's 738's than on a VS cattle class flight that I had to take last year. They are no less comfortable than
41 Bennett123 : No direct competition with OA yet.
42 Jsnww81 : So does this mean they'll be building a windowless tin shed at ATH and marketing it as the "low-cost terminal," as so many other European airports hav
43 Pe@rson : Speculation and uncertainty... it makes the world go around.
44 Bennett123 : Hope not, ATH is one of the better airports that I have used.
45 Burkhard : I also assume that if they go to Greece, which is not too far away from Germany at least, they find a cheap sleeping airport near to Athens to turn it
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