EI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10864 times:
Quoting OA260 (Thread starter): According to some news reports in the Greek media Ryan Air is to enter the Greek market soon. The first routes at tipped to be DUB-ATH and LPL-ATH .
Yes it will be DUB and LPL, the FR site confirms that. Just go to online check in and select ATH, you'll see it there. Interesting that they chose LPL though, and not STN.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10856 times:
Quoting EI320 (Reply 3): chose LPL though, and not STN.
I think they chose that as there is too much competition in the London area LTN/LHR/STN/LGW already served. DUB will be interesting and hopefully make EI bring their fares down as they have been very high !!
OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ "Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΨΗΛΑ" "GREECE FLYING HIGH"
MHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 671 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10852 times:
I am wondering if that´s true ...
Especially because in particular at ATH the taxes are extremely high ...
(or is ATH desperately looking for new carriers and offering discounts unheard of so far ??? )
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10830 times:
Quoting MHG (Reply 6): (or is ATH desperately looking for new carriers and offering discounts unheard of so far ??? )
Maybe FR see they could make alot of money on such routes .
Athens International Airport S.A. - Positive financial performance in 2007
Continuing its track record of positive financial performance, Athens International Airport (AIA) posted positive financial results for 2007, compiled in accordance with the principles of the International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS) and the adoption of the relating IFRIC 12 “Service Concession Arrangements”.
With passenger traffic beating a new record of 16.5 million in 2007 (+10% on a year-to-year basis
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10329 times:
Quoting EI320 (Reply 3):
Yes it will be DUB and LPL, the FR site confirms that. Just go to online check in and select ATH, you'll see it there. Interesting that they chose LPL though, and not STN.
ATH-LPL and ATH-DUB were flown as special (expensive) flights by Ryanair during the Champions League football final in Athens, Liverpool-AC Milan. That must be why they are still listed on the OLCI-page.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10309 times:
Quoting MHG (Reply 6): (or is ATH desperately looking for new carriers and offering discounts unheard of so far ??? )
I think Ryanair is running out of Central-European airports willing to obey their rules.
Should they consider to work as a "normal" airline ,hundreds of new airports would be willing to accommodate their flights.At this stage I don't see the model expanding indefinitely into Europe ,considering the rising fuel-supplements charges and airport taxes,reaching insane levels of 30-35 € /flightsegment .
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10295 times:
So now when they will start service to Greek, can we see them serve Turkey and Iceland soon??
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10281 times:
Quoting EICVD (Reply 9): Was bound to happen sometime, Turkey next?
Only when there's an open skies agreement. For the moment, they can only fly from Ireland to Turkey.
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11): I think Ryanair is running out of Central-European airports willing to obey their rules.
Should they consider to work as a "normal" airline ,hundreds of new airports would be willing to accommodate their flights.
It seems that Ryanair and traditional airports are finding each other better and better. IMO, both parties are compromising: primary airports are willing to offer good deals, and Ryanair accepts to pay a bit more. They have indicated in their financial reports, for example, that the airports fees they pay to MAD are higher than their average, but that the passenger yield is higher too. I guess the same can be said for BHX, EDI, VLC and ALC.
On the other hand, traditional airports are taking LCCs more and more serious. They recognize the potential for external revenues and find ways to exploit it. Also, in the current economic conditions, some airports will face reductions in traffic. MXP is of course the first airport to suffer from the state of Alitalia; and whatever happens with AZ (collapse or take-over), capacity will be reduced creating capacity at airports.
There are more airlines on the brink of collapse or at least capacity reduction: Olympic, Centralwings, Vueling, SkyEurope all have difficult times and any failure will create capacity at airports.
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10221 times:
Ryan will face fierce regulation in Turkey. Remember, Turkey is not part of EU and Turkish carriers cannot set up shop in EU and vice versa. They will need to convince Turkish CAB for a route or two. EasyJet had many issues before and I don't think neither Turks or Germans are willing to share the pie with other Europeans in lucrative Germany-Turkey routes. (Similar route structure of Poland - England route).
I am surprised that anyone is willing to put up with the discomfort of Ryan 738 in such a long leg of ATH-DUB.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 2): LOL.... no it will be IST ...haha only joking...... It will actually be ATH Eleftherios Venizelos airport. So its the real Athens!!!
Good one.. I guess when they announce IST the real airport would be Saloniki?
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24929 posts, RR: 60 Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10134 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 14): OA260,
Is this good news? What will it do to Greek Aviation? And how will these flights do in winter?
Yes it is good news and it wont really damage anything much such as A3 or OA. FR should look at NCL-ATH also. For DUB it will be good to have some competition against EI and bring fares down. Airlines think ''Greece'' so we can fleece everyone!!! We have been fleeced for years .
OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ "Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΨΗΛΑ" "GREECE FLYING HIGH"
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10066 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 14): Is this good news? What will it do to Greek Aviation? And how will these flights do in winter?
As much as I like Greece as country and it's people as very warm and hospital citizens,as much I think that Greek aviation is lacking the dynamics and entrepreneurship of Turkish aviation.Olympic is a ruin since ten years and far from being renovated . Aegean is well run and well manged -but that's about it -so what's left ????
Greece has been a country of private entrepreneurship since hundreds of years but seems to be missing the boat in aviation .For a country with such a huge tourist-infrastructure and dependence,that's incomprehensible.
OlympicATH From Greece, joined Jul 2001, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10035 times:
Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 17): Wasn't DUB-ATH flown by Malev for a while? It seems a rather long route for FR.
AFAIK Malev flew the route 3 times weekly a couple of years ago but it only lasted one summer season.
Since last year, Aer Lingus has a seasonal service to ATH (April to October). 3 weekly last year, 4 this year.
Sam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 940 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10013 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 10): ATH-LPL and ATH-DUB were flown as special (expensive) flights by Ryanair during the Champions League football final in Athens, Liverpool-AC Milan. That must be why they are still listed on the OLCI-page.
So FR flying scheduled services to ATH is pure speculation at the moment is it?
Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
Rojam From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9877 times:
Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 21): So FR flying scheduled services to ATH is pure speculation at the moment is it?
Yup, would appear to be, flights of fantasy - I cannot see one iota of FR-accredited evidence to give credence to this thread.
Quoting RobK (Reply 18): Will be nice to see their 767s and 757s in Greece!
The demand between Athens and Rockford Illinois is only mad Ted.
I want to go to Athens on or around May 16th - would be good to have more than one direct carrier from DUB. As usual, it's unwise to book Aer Lingus as they'll probably be on strike yet again, charlatans that they are. Best bet at the moment is via PRG with OK on the way out (nice late arrival - early am) and via CDG with AF on the way home (nice late departure).
[Edited 2008-04-12 09:37:08]
Glad to be down from the sky for an extended period.
Luv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1648 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9701 times:
Not to nitpick, but is there a way the title can be changed to "Ryanair"? I ask because it would help this thread come up in the future when people do a search for "Ryanair". Thanks!
When you have to breaststroke to your connecting flight...it's a crash!
25 OA260: Yes I have sent an email asking for this
26 Luv2cattlecall: With DM running the show, you may have better luck emailing FR asking them to change their name to Ryan Air !
27 AwysBSB: Next season, Ryanair will suspend some flights out of Bremen and the reason for this might be their expansion in Greece.[Edited 2008-04-12 20:24:49]
28 Super737: This is good to see more ryanair expansion! IMHO I think we will start to see FR & U2 becoming more like WN by operating longer sectors although this
29 RussianJet: I don't think they need to 'consider to work as a normal airline' when they are roundly kicking most people's butts in terms of their performance. Th
30 Awthompson: Just call it by the correct name. I'm really surprised you haven't noticed that it's "Ryanair"!
31 Burkhard: This early morning at 5:30 I happened to be at HHN. I counted 11 Ryanair 737-800 parked there. Who could have imagined that HHN would come near to its
32 Joost: This sounds very much like speculation. What do you mean with "next season"? The winter, or summer 2009? This winter, Ryanair will ground 20 aircraft
33 OA260: Could be but looking at the ATH website Ryanair is listed in their airlines list and I did not see that before. Who knows!!! Hope you enjoyed the sur
34 Joost: Eh, where? http://www.aia.gr/pages.asp?pageid=993&langid=2 I only see Royal Jordanian listed under "R".
35 AwysBSB: I am not speculating about anything, I am just considering a reason for some services be suspended. As I see on their website they are halting flight
36 OA260: Look a bit harder .... Im not going to do the work for you !!!!
37 Humberside: The reduction at Bremen have been compensated for by increases on other routes, such as EDI, plus new services to Haugesund and Salzburg
38 Joost: That's of course right. Since the launch, FR have been adding routes and reducing frequencies constantly. In an earlier round, BUD and BTS have been
39 6thfreedom: Are these flights likely to be daylight or back of clock operations?
40 Smeg: I have actually been more comfortable on FR's 738's than on a VS cattle class flight that I had to take last year. They are no less comfortable than
42 Jsnww81: So does this mean they'll be building a windowless tin shed at ATH and marketing it as the "low-cost terminal," as so many other European airports hav
43 Pe@rson: Speculation and uncertainty... it makes the world go around.
44 Bennett123: Hope not, ATH is one of the better airports that I have used.
45 Burkhard: I also assume that if they go to Greece, which is not too far away from Germany at least, they find a cheap sleeping airport near to Athens to turn it
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