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BA 279 LHR-LAX Cancelled Monday April 14th - Why?  
User currently offlineNicogagne From France, joined Feb 2003, 76 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Hello,

Does anyone know why British Airways flight 279 to LAX is cancelled on Monday April 14th?

I did not know flights could be cancelled two days before they are actually due to be operated. But, then again, I'm not an expert.

BA rebooked us on BA 283 which leaves two hours after BA 279.

Thanks,

Nicolas

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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6402 times:

This quite often happens if the flight is fairly empty.


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User currently offlineNicogagne From France, joined Feb 2003, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6363 times:



Quoting LHR27C (Reply 1):
This quite often happens if the flight is fairly empty.

At first, that's what I thought too...I checked seatcounter.com a couple of days ago and the three BA's LAX-bound flights were fairly empty for April 14.

Now I guess that BA 283 is going to be fully-packed  crowded  ... I will definitely miss the empty rows of BA 279...!

Nicolas


User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6340 times:

I do not have specific information on this flight. However it is not very unusual for BA to 'cancel' a long haul flight to a destination where there are two or more flights scheduled over a relatively short period. For example they recently 'cancelled' one of the three daily LHR-HKG flights and consolidated the booked passengers on that day onto the other two flights.

I have put the word 'cancel' in quotes because in the case of the HKG flight one aircraft was flown to HKG 'empty' with no passengers or cabin crew but with freight. This presumably reduced costs - for example no cabin crew - while providing capacity for passengers on the return flight. There was an outcry from our green brethren who thought it a sin against humanity to fly an 'empty' aircraft all the way to HKG.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6277 times:

With current fuel prices I think you will see much more of this where carriers with more than one daily flight cancel a flight with an uneconomic load factor and rebook passengers on other flights. Longhaul flights like LHR-LAX are where high fuel prices have the biggest impact since fuel is a higher percentage of total operating costs on longhaul than shorthaul routes.

User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6254 times:

I might be a dinosaur or just have it wrong, but I thought in order to have your AOC you had to fly scheduled flights unless there was a technical problem. Mind you, it's been years since I studied air law and it may only have referred to RPT ops here in Aus.

Anyone know for sure?



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6233 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
or example no cabin crew - while providing capacity for passengers on the return flight

Do they have extra crew or a base in HKG? Seems the cabin crew would have to go, one way or another. Even if they deadhead on another flight, the fuel to transport them is the same. No savings on hotels, they still have to have required rest. It is still going to cost per diem, not sure about their hourly?

Strange things airlines do in the name of saving money.

M


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6202 times:



Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 6):
Seems the cabin crew would have to go, one way or another. Even if they deadhead on another flight, the fuel to transport them is the same. No savings on hotels, they still have to have required rest. It is still going to cost per diem, not sure about their hourly?

Strange things airlines do in the name of saving money.

All those costs are much lower than the cost of flying a widebody on a longhaul sector with an uneconomic load factor.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6115 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
All those costs are much lower than the cost of flying a widebody on a longhaul sector with an uneconomic load factor.

There is no difference in not putting the cabin crew on this flight was the point.

Not the entire scenario.

M


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

The return flight 278 is still operating on the 14th so looks like yes its operating outbound empty of pax as a 'cargo' flight. Crew will be positioned out as passengers to operate the one they are due to return two days later.


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User currently offline1peter From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

No the crew are not positioning out

Quoting APYu (Reply 9):
Crew will be positioned out as passengers to operate the one they are due to return two days later.

No the crew will operated out as normal I believe Friday to operate the 278/14th return. However you'll find that the 278/16th has been cancelled.



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5623 times:



Quoting APYu (Reply 9):
The return flight 278 is still operating on the 14th so looks like yes its operating outbound empty of pax as a 'cargo' flight. Crew will be positioned out as passengers to operate the one they are due to return two days later.

It is probably because they are short of cabin crew, happening to BA a lot at the moment. This means the 279 tomorrow will probably operate with pilots only. Then the 278 will leave LA as a normal flight. What you will find with this is that the 278 in a few days time operates back empty as that will be the one where the crew bringing tomorrows 279 operate home on.


User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3263 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Perhaps Naomi Campbell had booked another seat  Big grin  Big grin


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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5511 times:



Quoting 1peter (Reply 10):
No the crew are not positioning out

Quoting APYu (Reply 9):
Crew will be positioned out as passengers to operate the one they are due to return two days later.


No the crew will operated out as normal I believe Friday to operate the 278/14th return. However you'll find that the 278/16th has been cancelled.

I meant the crew that were due to take 279 out on the 14th, to bring back 278 on the 16th will position out, but I guess if 278 on the 16th has been cancelled then that isnt necessary now anyways



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

It's much better to have flts cancelled than have flts operating near empty. I hope the A380 will one day help to consolidate the masses of empty seats operating across the pond every day.

User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5320 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 14):
It's much better to have flts cancelled than have flts operating near empty.

Not for those who have connections booked.



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User currently offlineNicogagne From France, joined Feb 2003, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5111 times:



Quoting LHR27C (Reply 1):
This quite often happens if the flight is fairly empty.

I've just checked seatcounter.com for BA 283 tomorrow (April 14th) andit is now showing 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.

Nico


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

I was wondering what the excess of Cargo would be then

duh...!!!!

It's a flight full of suitcases.

 Smile


So if BA is flying with 0 pax to LAX... I wonder how many are flying on AF's LAX flight that day  Smile



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4904 times:



Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 17):
So if BA is flying with 0 pax to LAX.

They'll still have their other 2 747/777 flights...



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4714 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 18):
They'll still have their other 2 747/777 flights...

Both are 744s - BA doesn't operate the 777 to LAX.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4522 times:
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Quoting LHR27C (Reply 19):

Both are 744s - BA doesn't operate the 777 to LAX.

With the huge rise in fuel costs does anyone know or think it's possible BA might begin to rotate 772s into LAX when a 744 is not warranted? It would seem to me that it would be much more economically feasible for them to have the flexibility to lower their fuel and other costs by doing this when they can.


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