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Beautiful New Airport In Bangalore (BLR)  
User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11230 times:

Bengaluru International Airport (BIAL) is set to open May 11 ( KL pilots please note  Wink ). It's part of a Public Private Partnership model with Siemens and Zurich Airport as stakeholders. it has one 4000M,09/27 runway and 9 aerobridges. Indian carriers seem to like busing their pax to stands. BIAL is expected to handle 12M passengers annually, and double in the next three years with a second runway in the works. It has a clever swing area between Domestic and International, as Domestic traffic happens during the day and International at night.

The pictures are under creative commons license and distributed in the BIAL presskit. They are hosted by "photoyogi" on Flicker:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/photoyogi/sets/72157604499999924/

a few teaser pics:




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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9826 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11219 times:

I look forward to my first trip at this airport. The old one was absolutely dreadful. It had no lounges or anything decent. The bathrooms were gross. Worst of all there were only two jetbridges for International flights and a tiny departure area, which is dreadful since the city has attracted so much new long haul service over the past 5 years.

Will the new airport have lounges for BA, AF, LH, SQ, MH, TG and others? Despite how nice first class on say LH is, you feel like you're leaving a disgusting hell hole and feel gross before you even get on the plane after visiting the bathroom at the old BLR.



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2223 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11161 times:



Quoting Comorin (Thread starter):
Bengaluru International Airport (BIAL) is set to open May 11 ( KL pilots please note ). It's part of a Public Private Partnership model with Siemens and Zurich Airport as stakeholders. it has one 4000M,09/27 runway and 9 aerobridges. Indian carriers seem to like busing their pax to stands. BIAL is expected to handle 12M passengers annually, and double in the next three years with a second runway in the works. It has a clever swing area between Domestic and International, as Domestic traffic happens during the day and International at night.

That terminal looks awfully small. Are there plans for a second terminal?


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Looks eerily similar to the new terminals at MEX and PEK.

I guess modernism is all the rage-sanitized glass windows in all



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9826 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11163 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 2):
That terminal looks awfully small. Are there plans for a second terminal?

I would guess that we are only seeing the international terminal. The current international terminal only has 2 jetbridges but can have up to 4-5 planes on the ground at the same time I believe.

The domestic terminal would need many more gates. Are there any airports in India where there are not separate international and domestic terminals?



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

Roseflyer, Yikes! You went to the BLR bogs!! Brave man.
There are plans of the airport in the flickr pics and there will be four lounges - Jet, Kingfisher, AI and Oberoi (for all other premium pax, I guess). The washrooms look beautiful (beige marble, autoflush) and the whole place will be maintained to high standards. As per their contract, they have to score over 3.5 (?) on the ICAO rankings every year. Given its Swiss management, it should happen and the place will run like clockwork. I can't imagine two cultures that have less in common!

The airport is designed for 12M generic travelers, but I wonder how many exuberant Indian travelers (with their love for entourages, milling about and general disdain for lining up), that will translate to.

I remember on my last visit to BLR I was killed by a huge swarm of mosquitoes that filled the cab as soon as the driver turned on the 'air-conditioning'. Now, they have been replaced by brand new cabs now with uniformed and trained drivers. Autos and others are not allowed in the main premises.

In a brilliant stroke of city planning, the municipality decided to replace traffic lights with precast underpasses for the road to the Airport. Unfortunately, they made them too narrow, so buses and trucks have to crawl though, slowing traffic even more than before.


I too am looking forward to visiting the new airport in the hope it will exorcise old memories.


User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11123 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 2):
That terminal looks awfully small. Are there plans for a second terminal?

Yes, on the other side, where a parallel Runway 2 will be built. The airport is expected to handle 50M passengers by 2030.

The current terminal will handle both Domestic and International Passengers. There is a common check in as soon as you enter, and they've done away with the security check for bags common at Indian airports. After the 3-minute check-in there are 3 escalators to take you up to Departures (a.k.a "shopping"). Depending on airline, you either board through aerobridges or get bused to the stands.

Its a single level airport - as you approach by car, the first part is for departure drop-off, and the second stretch for arrivals.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10973 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
I would guess that we are only seeing the international terminal. The current international terminal only has 2 jetbridges but can have up to 4-5 planes on the ground at the same time I believe.

The domestic terminal would need many more gates. Are there any airports in India where there are not separate international and domestic terminals?

Indian carriers (supposedly) prefer remote gates as it allows for a quicker turn around of a/c, and is cheaper operationally. Hence there are only 8 planned contact gates in this first phase, which will be used for all international flights, and for as many domestic flights as can be accommodated. All other domestic flights will leave from the remote (bus) gates.

This airport is quite contrary to normal design in that it has one level for both arriving and departing passengers. That's the one thing I never quite understood, given it seems so logical to have a vertical separation between arriving and departing pax.

The one thing good they've done is to do away with any fixed boundaries between the "intl" and "domestic" terminal. Hence check-in counters are common, and of the 7 baggage belts, 3 are "common" between the 2 sides and can be switched over based on demand. That allows for much more efficient use of facilities as the peak demand periods for domestic are completely different from intl. ops.

Also from Deccan Herald, BIA gets 'safe and sound' nod

Quote:
The Bangalore International Airport (BIA) may not hit any air-pocket this time after all. The civil aviation ministry is satisfied with the progress achieved so far regarding safety issues at the new airport and plans to issue licence by April-end.

Speaking to Deccan Herald here on Friday, Director-General of Civil Aviation Kanu Gohain said: “There should be no problem for the Bangalore airport this time. The progress so far is good at the air traffic control and we may issue licence by the end of this month.”

The airport is scheduled to begin commercial operations of the May 11. The earlier scheduled opening on March 30 was halted by the ministry on safety grounds. It is the Directorate-General of Civil Aviation which issues the crucial airport licence which is the final stamp of certification declaring that the airport is fit for commercial operations. Last time, while the DGCA found the airport fit the bill in most of the 57 parameters that it certifies before issuing the overall licence, it found preparedness on critical safety aspects wanting. To top it, the Airports Authority of India (AAI) asserted that it needed more time for its air traffic controllers for “on-site” training. AAI also installed the equipment relating to CNS-ATM (Communication Navigation Surveillance-Air Traffic Management) late.
...

So hopefully the airport will open on schedule and spare travelers from the extremely cramped HAL airport.



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User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10666 times:

The new BLR isn't the only INTL airport to have a single level for arriving and departing passengers as STN's main terminal is the same way with the only separation occurring at the boarding gates.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10621 times:

I hear that the road to the airport is 18 months from being finished, resulting in up to two hour commutes for the staff.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10562 times:



Quoting Nimish (Reply 7):
This airport is quite contrary to normal design in that it has one level for both arriving and departing passengers. That's the one thing I never quite understood, given it seems so logical to have a vertical separation between arriving and departing pax.

What I like most about SIN is that all passengers are on one level. It makes transit so much more pleasant and makes it possible to meet up with friends when one is arriving and the other departing. For example, if I'm departing and I know my friend is arriving an hour or two before, I can go to his arrival gate, meet him, and we can catch up before I have to depart. Airports with separated arrival and departure levels seem uncivilized to me.


User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10531 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):
I hear that the road to the airport is 18 months from being finished, resulting in up to two hour commutes for the staff.

The current road consists of National Highway 7 which is finished and gets you to Bangalore's Outer Ring Road in 25 minutes. From there, you can get to town center in 30 minutes. There is/was a plan to construct an airport expressway but I'm not sure about the status of that. There is also a high speed rail in the works.

The problem is that Bangalore's roads are severely congested, and the new airport is located to the North, while the old airport is in the South. So staff that live in South Bangalore will have a tough time with their commute until they relocate.The airport hotels are not yet ready so the logistics will be tricky for crew and airport staff. Around 2011, when the Bangalore Metro, Airport Rail are completed, getting to the Airport will be a breeze.

Bangalore a.netters may be able to shed more light...


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10451 times:

New Era in Indian Aviation Begins with the two greenfield airports (Hyderabad and Bangalore)
The Bangalore Airport will commence from May 11, meanwhile the Hyderabad Airport commenced its operations from 23-March-2008 and the airport has successfully completed 19 days of commercial operations and its highlights / performance are given as under:
* The airport has handled around 3,80,000 passengers consisting of 57,000 international and 3,23,000 domestic passengers.
* A total of 4900 Air Traffic Movements (2450 landings and 2450 take offs) were handled. 263 Air Traffic Movements (ATM’s) were handled on 10.04.08.
* To facilitate the international callers for calling RGIA call centre from outside India the following telephone number 009140-44327300 has been provided. Indian callers should still use 1800-102-2008.
* Fuel intake has increased to around 1100 KL/day from 550KL/day.

http://www.newhyderabadairport.com/m...ion_press_releases_apr11_2008.html

Pics (full credits to the owner of the pics)
http://picasaweb.google.com/keeper.store/NewHyderabadAirport

Bangalore Airport
Runway - 4,000-metre runway
8.5 to 10 million passengers initially and 14.53 to 18 million by 2020. (It has to grow faster because of the growth)
PTB - 71,000-square foot terminal has the capacity to handle over 2,733 passengers at peak time
Cost - Approx. 25 Billion Indian Rupees
http://www.bialairport.com/

Hyderabad Airport
Runway - 4260- metre facility (SE Asia's longest)
Hyderabad will initially handle 12 million passengers a year.
PTB - 103,000 square metres.
Cost - Approx. 25 Billion Indian Rupees
http://www.newhyderabadairport.com/

A candid user experience of the new Hyderabad airport:
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=811962


Other Links re Hyderabad Airport on A.Net
Hyderabad´s New Airport Open - Very Nice!
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...1856&s=hyderabad+airport#ID3901856
KLM Pilot Doesn't Know About New Airport
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...1187&s=hyderabad+airport#ID3901187

[Edited 2008-04-13 07:47:58]

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10220 times:



Quoting Comorin (Reply 11):
The current road consists of National Highway 7 which is finished and gets you to Bangalore's Outer Ring Road in 25 minutes. From there, you can get to town center in 30 minutes.

At 3am in the morning?



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9515 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 13):
At 3am in the morning?

Without a smiley, I assume its a straight question:

The team that did the PR trip to the airport did the total trip in a bus in 55 minutes on a Sunday from City Center I would imagine that it would be the same at 3 am. I think traffic is going to be a big issue for domestic travelers, who have to do the trip during the day.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8677 times:



Quoting Comorin (Reply 14):
The team that did the PR trip to the airport did the total trip in a bus in 55 minutes on a Sunday from City Center I would imagine that it would be the same at 3 am. I think traffic is going to be a big issue for domestic travelers, who have to do the trip during the day.

Absolutely right. And the number of "day travellers" to do a morning-evening BLR-BOM or BLR-HYD or BLR-MAA flight will definitely be impacted by this distance.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7702 times:



Quoting Nimish (Reply 15):
And the number of "day travellers" to do a morning-evening BLR-BOM or BLR-HYD or BLR-MAA flight will definitely be impacted by this distance.

Correct. The location of the airport and access to the city is a critical success factor for the success. Give it two years to get the access right. The infrastructure gap is about to finally strangle the city.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 14):
The team that did the PR trip to the airport did the total trip in a bus in 55 minutes on a Sunday

Sunday traffic in Bangalore is a dream in comparsion to midweek. Last thing I want after arriving from an Intl flight to India is the thought of a 90 minute travel into town.



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User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

Together with the new Hyderabad airport, this is great news. India is a potentially huge aviation market that has not been able to develop due to lack of infrastructure. Glad to see India is tackling this problem, those airports look great!

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7518 times:



Quoting R2rho (Reply 17):
India is a potentially huge aviation market that has not been able to develop due to lack of infrastructure.

India has a huge infrastructure problem full stop. Gleaming airports 90 minutes away from town are a tiny part of the solution to india. The new airport at Bangalore has a railway line running within 4kms of the airport that wont be used.

Dont also forget the outragous cost to the airlines to use this beautiful airport The new Bangalore airport will charge a "user development fee" (UDF) of $22 per international passenger.



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User currently offlineGolfOscarDelta From India, joined Feb 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7402 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18):
The new airport at Bangalore has a railway line running within 4kms of the airport that wont be used

That is a National/Interstate railway line if i'm not mistaken, and cannot be used for travel to and from the airport i presume. Anyway the Bangalore Namma Metro is coming up and that should do the job.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 14):
I think traffic is going to be a big issue for domestic travelers, who have to do the trip during the day.

On that point, I believe that the BLR-MAA flights will be hit the hardest

By air:
Bangalore City to BIAL (under normal daytime traffic conditions) : 1.5 hrs Cost: Rs 500 (Taxi)
Check in, wait and boarding : 1hr (optimistically)
Flight time : 30-40 min (optimistically if there are no delays and such) Cost: Rs 4000 (approx)
Exit from airport to reach your destination : 45 min (Assumption) Cost: Rs 200 (approx)

Door Step to Door Step time : ~ 4hrs
Total cost : Rs 4700 or USD 118

By fast Train (Shatabdi) :
Doorstep to SBC (Bangalore City, Train station) : 45 min Cost: Rs 200 (Taxi)
Travel to Chennai : 5 hrs (by First Class,Shatabdi Express, this train's usually on time, hardly ever late) Cost: Rs 580
Chennai Central (Train station) to doorstep :45 min Cost: Rs 200

Doorstep to Doorstep time : ~ 6.5 hrs
Total Cost : Rs 980 or USD 25

2.5 hrs vs 93USD or Rs 3695

So unless your going there on bussiness and your 2.5 hrs is worth the Rs 3695/~100USD, i'm guessing you may not take the flight.

I was just hoping that the BIAL airport would look even better, i was looking forward to landing there soon, looks like some huge glorified industrial warehouse now.

Also i remember there was a proposal to do the interiors to reflect the heritage of the state of Karnataka, if i rmember right there was supposed to be indoor cascading fountains remnicent of the Jog falls and architectural styles mirroring the temples of Hampi yet with a modern twist. Whatever happened to that proposal?


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7327 times:



Quoting GolfOscarDelta (Reply 19):
i rmember right there was supposed to be indoor cascading fountains remnicent of the Jog falls and architectural styles mirroring the temples of Hampi yet with a modern twist.

What India needs is quality functional airports - not palaces that the airlines have to pay for. BLR and HYD are expensive palaces.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7328 times:



Quoting MD90fan (Reply 3):
Looks eerily similar to the new terminals at MEX and PEK.

I guess modernism is all the rage-sanitized glass windows in all

I'm sure all the smart minds that planned this airport (and the one at HYD) must have thought of this, but is this all-glass exterior really good for Indian conditions? India is predominantly hot/warm weather....even BLR, despite being a relatively cooler city, has plenty of sunshine all year round and this adds to the cost of cooling the interior of the building....I know of atleast one of the shiny glass IT Park buildings in Pune where the occupants complained of high cost of airconditioning due to the ceiling to floor glass.....

What works for colder cities in Europe, N. America, Japan, China, may not really be a good solution for India.....


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7297 times:



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
I'm sure all the smart minds that planned this airport

The expats that live in their comfy expat bubble that is a shiny glass fronted hotel?



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7103 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
What I like most about SIN is that all passengers are on one level. It makes transit so much more pleasant and makes it possible to meet up with friends when one is arriving and the other departing. For example, if I'm departing and I know my friend is arriving an hour or two before, I can go to his arrival gate, meet him, and we can catch up before I have to depart. Airports with separated arrival and departure levels seem uncivilized to me.

Assume you are talking about being airside in Singapore  Smile The split level for arrival and departures really only occurs if your are ending your journey in Singapore. Then you just go downstairs from the transit area to immigration. Piece of cake.

Part of the reason that Singapore does so well is the airport is designed to be efficient for connections: security screening is done at the individual gates, hence no need for a common security "re-screening" like you find at so many other airports in the region when you connect (ICN, HKG, NRT) for example.

However, the way HKG and ICN are set up are actually not bad in design given that they have an arrival and departure level...keeps the flow of traffic easy as your not swimming against a sea of departing passengers when you arrive. Whilst you can't meet a friend for a coffee like you could in Singapore as mentioned, I think from a technical logistical standpoint HKG and ICN work well for inbound and outbound passengers being split. Even in Singapore if you are arriving, you can't take advantage of the duty free shops in the transit area (the only duty free you can buy is after immigration by the baggage belts)



SIN > CVG > BOS
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7311 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

I see that the airport opening is to be further delayed.


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25 Malaysia : My best friend who just worked BA LHR-BLR just as usual said the BLR place is terrible and the new terminals not open yet.
26 BestWestern : Been there, and it is terrible, but I prefer 1 hr in a terrrible airport rather than two hours drive to a 'palace'.
27 Glbltrvlr : Was just at both airports a few weeks ago. Hyderabad was fantastic. Not keen on the extent of pad operations for domestic flights, but the terminal i
28 Comorin : That which does not destroy us only makes us stronger Old habits and the love of chaos die hard indeed. This will be a problem a BIAL too. 12M Swiss
29 BestWestern : I see that the airport is further further delayed...
30 Post contains links Comorin : BIAL will now open for business on May 22nd as of 8 pm for incoming traffic. The first flight out will be an IC flight to SIN on May 23rd at 00.01 am:
31 Glbltrvlr : 'tis now set for May the 24th at midnight local...
32 Sankaps : SIN has separated arrival and departure levels landside, like most modern airports. It is only airside where the passengers mingle. I like this model
33 Comorin : Well, today's the day! Congrats to Dr. Brunner and his team for accomplishing a miracle and providing Bangalore with a modern airport. KLM pilots, tak
34 KL577 : My friend, your joke was duly noted your original post. But KLM does not fly to BLR. NW was supposed to fly AMS-BLR, but suspended planned operations
35 Comorin : Sorry, I'll confess it's getting a bit old - tot ziens...
36 Nimish : I checked LH's website - and they now say "Bangalore International" instead of just "Bangalore". However no additional information about the new airp
37 Abrelosojos : = Any different from LHR's outrageous fees? Or, my favorite ... exit tax when leaving most Latin countries. Saludos, A.
38 Comorin : Can anyone confirm if the first flight has taken off? I hope we can get pix galore from Bangalore a.nutters Thanks
39 Tonyban : Nice looking but a rather small terminal. Only a matter of time before India bureaucracy takes over and it'll be just like any other airport in India.
40 N867DA : It's nice to see that BLR has a new airport, but I'll miss watching planes from my aunt's balcony. The airport looks like a warehouse, but the interio
41 Post contains links BarfBag : Pictures of the new Bangalore International Airport, courtesy of Photoyogi on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/photoyogi/sets/72157605216435740/
42 BestWestern : Congratulations to Bangalore. No, but you cant compare western europe to Bangalore
43 Post contains links Comorin : Ask and ye shall receive: www.bengaluruairport.com
44 Comorin : Just got off the horn with my brother who came in this morning from BOM. He lives in SIN. His impressions: Pax disembarked flight, milling around on t
45 Vimanav : Dont forget the UDF between Rs 700 - 1000 depending on domestic or international pax. rgds//Vimanav
46 N867DA : " target=_blank>www.bengaluruairport.com Now that's a pretty good site. It has the right kind of info for pax. I really like these sleek, shiny new a
47 HAWK21M : Maybe the problem is the Distance to the New Terminal. regds MEL
48 Gr8Circle : Isn't it going to be a privately operated airport....? The "Indian beureaucracy that you refer to is restricted to thingsrun by the govt..... Of cour
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