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The Pope's Flights + Trip To The USA Thread  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20924 times:

This is what I know about the filghts so far:

Tuesday, April 15 • Washington, D.C.
4:00 p.m. - Arrival at Andrews Air Force Base
Pope Benedict XVI arrives at Andrews Air Force Base. He is greeted by President George Bush and Mrs. Laura Bush. No public statements are anticipated.

Friday, April 18 • New York
8:30-10:00 a.m. - Movement to New York City
8:30 a.m. - Departure from Andrews Air Force Base
9:45 a.m. - Arrival at John F. Kennedy International Airport

Sunday, April 20 • New York
8-8:30 p.m. - Departure from John F. Kennedy International Airport
Approximately 3,250 guests will bid farewell to the Pope in Hangar 19 of JFK airport.
8:30 p.m. - Departure via Shepherd One

This information comes from the Papal Visit site.
http://www.uspapalvisit.org/itinerary_en.htm

I suppose he will be flying to the U.S. on an Italian carrier but is Alitalia still flying? The Vatican does not have their own airline as far as I know... If Alitalia still flies they should be flying him to the U.S. as the national carrier. I guess they will have a specially fit First Class cabin for him and his aides and the Cardinals and Press will be in the back of the plane.

For the return the schedule says Departure via Shepherd One. Would President Bush lend his own aircraft to the Pope? Or would it be the alternate Air Force one flying him back to Rome? I find this rather interesting...

Anyway let's wish the Pope a good trip to the U.S. Let's wish him a happy time during his visit and a happy 81st Birthday this coming Wednesday in Washington D.C. I hope President Bush will treat him to a nice lunch and other goodies at the White House on that particular day.

If anybody has extra information please post it on this thread, links and pictures too.

I had to edit the post. I forgot the Andrews AFB to JFK bit.

[Edited 2008-04-13 05:37:14]


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6533 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 20875 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
I suppose he will be flying to the U.S. on an Italian carrier but is Alitalia still flying? The Vatican does not have their own airline as far as I know... If Alitalia still flies they should be flying him to the U.S. as the national carrier

Yes Alitalia is still flying, Yes, Alitalia is the national airline of Italy, but the Pope does not live in Italy nor is he a citizen of Italy.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Would President Bush lend his own aircraft to the Pope? Or would it be the alternate Air Force one flying him back to Rome? I find this rather interesting...

There is not a specific aircraft designated as Air Force 1 nor is there an alternate. Air force 1 is what ever Air Force aircraft the president happens to be on. This would also apply to Marine 1 the helicopter or Navy 1 as has happened.


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 20854 times:
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Departing JFK at 8:30PM... you don't suppose they will make the papal flight wait in the usual JFK taxi queue for 75-90 minutes, do you?

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8500 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20714 times:
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When the Pope travels he goes on Alitalia, then he returns to Italy on an airline from the host country. In the past to the USA that was TWA. AN AA 767 carried John Paul back to Rome from World Youth event in Denver about 10 years ago. Given the President before has given Marine One use to the Pope, I doubt an Air Force plane would be given for teh trip back to Rome. I bet it is an AA 777, given TWA's Papal history and AA's merger plus their current JFK ops to support a VIP flight.

User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 693 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20650 times:

No, it's not AA this time to my knowledge. When we flew the Papal charter in 1993, an open request for the crew was made by AA in advance and crew members had to apply for it months ahead of his trip. Any Catholic crew member could apply. Being Catholic, I applied but didn't make the cut. 3 of the flight attendants had to be Italian speakers. We used a B767-300, tail no. 352. A month after John Paul II's trip, the decal of the flag of the Holy See was still by the forward entry door of the a/c, and I had my picture taken next to it on a trip to GIG.

I wonder if it isn't DL this time.


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20491 times:

When TWA flew Pope John Paul around the states in the early 80s, the callsign for the flights he was on was "Shepherd One".

[Edited 2008-04-13 10:10:40]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20466 times:

The previous Pope even flew on Concorde at least two times most certainly three.
Maybe this Pope was on one of the flights too, who knows. This is one question I would like to ask him. Is he also a Mach 2+ Pope?

Now I have just found this article. I have not gone through it in detail. I'll do that later.

Bush readies big welcome for pope

WASHINGTON - The leader of the world's 1 billion Roman Catholics has been to the White House only once in history. That changes this week, and President Bush is pulling out all the stops: driving out to a suburban military base to meet Pope Benedict XVI's plane, bringing a giant audience to the South Lawn and hosting a fancy East Room dinner.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080413/...p_on_go_pr_wh/popes_and_presidents

I hope the East Room dinner will be a high level one food-wise and the wines/champagnes too. I wonder who will be the Master Chef for this visit.



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20349 times:



Quoting the AP news item in MadameConcorde's (Reply 6):
driving out to a suburban military base

The White House normally uses helicopter ("Marine 1") transport to/from Andrews. I'm surprised about the "driving out".



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User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20312 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
WASHINGTON - The leader of the world's 1 billion Roman Catholics has been to the White House only once in history. That changes this week, and President Bush is pulling out all the stops: driving out to a suburban military base to meet Pope Benedict XVI's plane, bringing a giant audience to the South Lawn and hosting a fancy East Room dinner.

Why all this? We are talking about a religious leader, not a head of state. The church and the government are supposed to be separate.

I will be flying out on DL on Sunday evening. I really hope he is not flying DL, and if he is, there are no delays or any extra hazzle because of him.


User currently offlineFlyingClrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 737 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20275 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 8):
Why all this? We are talking about a religious leader, not a head of state. The church and the government are supposed to be separate.

That may be the case in the US, but it isn't in the Vatican.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20274 times:



Quoting FFlyer (Reply 8):
Why all this? We are talking about a religious leader, not a head of state. The church and the government are supposed to be separate.

The Pope is considered a head of state, the Vatican is its own city-state.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 20171 times:

A bit like Monaco (a total surface of 2 square kilometers) only the Vatican must be even smaller.

We could see the Pope as the Prince of the Vatican as some forum members may want to omit the religious aspect. Also I have heard that --like in Monaco-- those who work in the State of Vatican get paid rather well.

Quoting United1 (Reply 10):
The Pope is considered a head of state, the Vatican is its own city-state.




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User currently offlineBx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 20156 times:

The previous pope flew with Aer Lingus to the US on his first visit there in 1979. His Holiness flew from Rome to Dublin on an Aer Lingus 747 and then on from Shannon to the US again with Aer Lingus. Whilst in Ireland he flew with Irish Helicopters. IIRC Aer Lingus temprarily renamed all 747s St Patrick in case anything should go wrong.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 20126 times:

What sort of long haul aircrafts does Alitalia have that could fly the Pope from Rome nonstop to Andrews AFB? Airbii A330/340s or Boeing 747s/777s?

I am sort of thinking... when the Pope will go to Sydney for World Youth Day in July will Qantas already have one of their A380 they could fly him back on?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 20131 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
For the return the schedule says Departure via Shepherd One. Would President Bush lend his own aircraft to the Pope? Or would it be the alternate Air Force one flying him back to Rome? I find this rather interesting...

As far as I know, the Pope has always used commercial airlines on previous foreign visits. TWA was used several times on previous U.S. trips, both on the USA-Rome sector and within the USA. Here's a TW 727-200 once used to carry the Pope. Note the "Shepherd 1" name below the cockpit.


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User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 20100 times:

Here is what is happening according to the NY POST

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04132008...nty_for_the_papa_106324.htm?page=2

FRIDAY, APRIL 18

9:45 a.m.

JFK Airport

"Arrives on "Shepherd One," an AirItalia Boeing 777 with a special seat for him in the front. He'll exit the plane first at JFK Airport,"

"Departs on "Shepherd One" for Rome. A departure ceremony will take place in a JFK hangar, including performances from the military band at Fort Hamilton, the Diocesan HS, Children's and Vicariate Choir, the St. James Cathedral Brass Quartet and Percussion and the St. Francis HS Prep String Ensemble. Vice President Dick Cheney will attend. About 3,000 people have been invited and four New York City children will present a parting gift to the pope."


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 20055 times:

Probably not a jumpseat.  airplane 
Would he be allowed to visit the cockpit during the transatlantic flight?

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 15):

"Arrives on "Shepherd One," an AirItalia Boeing 777 with a special seat for him in the front. He'll exit the plane first at JFK Airport,"




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User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 20014 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):
I am sort of thinking... when the Pope will go to Sydney for World Youth Day in July will Qantas already have one of their A380 they could fly him back on?

Sounds like a huge waste of money for any carrier. Alitalia and US airlines are the least able to sponsor such extravagant trips in the current climate. I should hope that either the Vatican or private individuals are paying for this...

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 4):
Any Catholic crew member could apply.

And who instituted that rule?

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 2):
you don't suppose they will make the papal flight wait in the usual JFK taxi queue for 75-90 minutes, do you?

If he doesn't like the queue, then he should arrange to depart elsewhere. I believe Islip has a runway that can accommodate a 747... I think the real question is whether he will cause delays for others.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 19950 times:



Quoting NW748i (Reply 17):
Sounds like a huge waste of money for any carrier. Alitalia and US airlines are the least able to sponsor such extravagant trips in the current climate. I should hope that either the Vatican or private individuals are paying for this

From what I understand the Vatican/Catholic Church charters the aircraft, and at least from a US perspective even if the airline was picking up the cost they would simply write it off at the end of the year on there taxes. Corporations, much like individuals, who make donations to charities/not for profit organizations can write that amount off at the end of the year.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8500 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 19945 times:
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Quoting JFK69 (Reply 15):
Departs on "Shepherd One" for Rome. A departure ceremony will take place in a JFK hangar, including performances from the military band at Fort Hamilton, the Diocesan HS, Children's and Vicariate Choir, the St. James Cathedral Brass Quartet and Percussion and the St. Francis HS Prep String Ensemble. Vice President Dick Cheney will attend. About 3,000 people have been invited and four New York City children will present a parting gift to the pope."

Any plane the POPE is on is "Shepherd ONE", its not only Alitalia. What plane will fly as "Shepherd One" back to Rome ? A number of years ago the POPE went to Israel, his return "Shepherd ONE" was El AL's newest 744. The only time the return" Sheperd ONE" wasn't the airline of the country the Pope was visiting was to CUBA in 1998, Cubana probably didn't have a proper airplane.


User currently offlineMadameconcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 19938 times:

Nowadays the 'papal' flights --at least the back of the plane-- are always full up with various media and tv people/reporters. The are the "sponsors". Every time they are paying off most of the flight or maybe even the whole flight.  airplane 

Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
From what I understand the Vatican/Catholic Church charters the aircraft,




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User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 766 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19827 times:

From what I understand from Italian sources, the Pope will be flying Rome-Andrews AFB on an AZ 777-200ER and Alitalia will also be flying the Pope from Andrews to JFK and home to Rome from JFK on an AZ 772 as well. No American carriers will be used for the return to Rome flight.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27312 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 19746 times:



Quoting Bx737 (Reply 12):
The previous pope flew with Aer Lingus to the US on his first visit there in 1979. His Holiness flew from Rome to Dublin on an Aer Lingus 747 and then on from Shannon to the US again with Aer Lingus. Whilst in Ireland he flew with Irish Helicopters. IIRC Aer Lingus temprarily renamed all 747s St Patrick in case anything should go wrong.

Yes I remember seeing the documentary on RTE after he died. Those certainly were the good days of the Aer Lingus 747's. I cant seem to warm to this new Pope. I liked John Paul very much and to me he will always be the best who reached out to all.


User currently offlineYanqui67 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2005, 508 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 19741 times:



Quoting NW748i (Reply 17):
If he doesn't like the queue, then he should arrange to depart elsewhere. I believe Islip has a runway that can accommodate a 747... I think the real question is whether he will cause delays for others.

Wow, you are one bitter person. It sounds like if you are footing the bill. Why do you care? Sheesh!!


User currently offlineNW748i From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 19628 times:



Quoting Yanqui67 (Reply 23):
Wow, you are one bitter person. It sounds like if you are footing the bill. Why do you care? Sheesh!!

Wow, you seem quite sensitive. Is it unreasonable that people who don't like to wait use alternate airports? That's why Stewart and Islip have so much potential--they aren't busy. Same thing goes for GA, if they don't want to deal with lots of traffic. This is also why the president uses second-tier airports when they aren't too far out of the way.

Also, I'm bitter because I consider the everyday people who would be inconvenienced?

Finally, having a career in air traffic, it is my business... and being a tax-payer, it is my bill. "Sheesh!!"

[Edited 2008-04-13 17:28:13]


Hail! to the victors valiant, Hail! to the conqu'ring heroes, Hail! Hail! to Michigan the leaders and best! Go Blue!
25 GODIA : This IS a big deal, and as to "taxpayers footing the bill," GROW UP!! Candidates for public office, congressmen, corporate bigwigs ALL get special tre
26 AerLingusA330 : Agreed. Will Pope Benedict XVI be transported with any special equipment while on the ground? I.E. another version of a "pope mobile"?
27 B767300ER : When the Pope flew back to Rome on TWA from what I was told the Vatican chartered the aircraft and paid full charter rates. Since TWA had the experien
28 GoDIA : Yes. In this day and age, the Popemobile is a vital security measure. I'm sure it is paid for by the Holy See.
29 AussieItaliano : Usually the Popemobile is brought overseas with the Pontiff. They have been specially designed by Mercedes Benz with security glass since the 1980's
30 Luv2fly : Really I could think of so many other questions I would like answered.
31 Aviateur : I remember when John Paul II made his famous visit to America in 1979. He flew to BOS aboard an Aer Lingus 747 named "St. Patrick." I was in 7th or 8t
32 KC135TopBoom : He is the Head of State....... for Vatican City. The Vatican will be paying for all of these charters. Probibly the Vatican. Who would you put on as
33 CatIII : I'm faily confident the food at the White House is top notch... They are separate. How does this visit change that?
34 NW748i : If so, fair enough... "bene!" Whoever asked to be one... irrespective of their religion. What matters more is that they are good employees represent
35 PRFLYER : The White House Executive Chef, Cristeta Comerford.
36 Knid : Maybe not entitled, however its not a favor. George Bush got a pretty good reception at the Vatican, so at the very least its quid pro quo.
37 AAFLT1871 : It is not uncommon to see a Presidental motorcade leave out of Andrews and head to the White House every now and then. I've been stuck on Allentown r
38 NYC2theworld : Because the U.S. has anti-discrimnation laws that include religion. It should be a lottery of qualified pilots. If the pope wants to fly with only ca
39 Post contains links TUNisia : No explanation as to why TWA was always chosen by the Pope for his US travels Here's some beautiful and touching photos of John Paul II traveling with
40 Ushermittwoch : I have a feeling that this was deemed that the plane would not be US territory for the flights but rather Vatican territory so US law would not be in
41 B767300ER : In reply to "why TWA flew Papal charters", a. TWA offered the rquired air craft types (international and domestic) b. offered lowest charater bid c. m
42 NW748i : Because this is America. Now you can offer a special invitation/encouragement to certain people, but you shouldn't tell others that they are essentia
43 Bx737 : The host nation pays for security covering the visiting head of state, well at least the Irish government did when George W visited Ireland.
44 AirTran737 : A customer can also request in their contract to have only Catholic employees onboard, much like they can require dual language crews onboard as well.
45 NW748i : I'm sure you can request many things, including bi-lingual crew. I completely understand and agree with positive requirements like this in which a sp
46 Braniff727 : As far as I know, EEO applies to hiring only. Equal Employment Opportunity. Requiring a flight crew to be all Catholic for a single charter is comple
47 Vfw614 : Those who are making somewhat bitter comments about the treatment the Pope receives in the US are kindly invited to come to a foreign country wheneve
48 United1 : " target=_blank>http://www.twaflightattendants.com/p....html Actually reading the link, thank you for posting it TUNisia, the FAs onboard were of all
49 Post contains links and images NW748i : I understand what you're saying, but not true. Consider the number of EEO complaints filed on account of people being fired. Some of my older colleag
50 Post contains links Braniff727 : Well according to the EEOC, this would not be discrimination according to my untrained legal eye. The point is made that it is illegal to discriminate
51 DIA : I was at Stapleton for this event...as well as the arrival. The Pope arrived on an Alitalia 742 and indeed departed on an A^A 763...got the whole eve
52 NW748i : Thanks for the link. This would be a case in point of discriminating against someone on an assignment on the basks of their religion. I can't see how
53 AAFLT1871 : That was TWA, the post below which you reference as maybe being an error mentions AA's selection process for their Papal Flight. ____________________
54 United1 : whhops sorry nevermind I forgott that AA flew the Pope at one point. Always remembered it being TWA.
55 GoDIA : NW748i- Maybe the airline decided to ALLOW Catholic crewmembers to have the first opportunity to fly with the Pope. IF there weren't enough Catholic c
56 Bcoz : Agreed! I think we are reading WAY too much into this here. Much of this appears to be speculation...no copy of a memo saying "Catholics only need ap
57 Airlittoralguy : I completelly agree with you on this. Each time an American president comes here in Normandy to commemorate the WW2 events it's a total mess in Caen
58 NW748i : This has been addressed already. If it is a U.S. operated charter, the operator follows the law with respect to EEO. Bilateral air service agreements
59 Ushermittwoch : Well, ever heard of cases where certain groups of people are prefered? My friend just applied for an internship for law school (in the US) at a place
60 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Back to the subject.. The Pope's trip to the U.S. There is a cool picture on this link. I wonder where it was taken. Looks like a real life situation,
61 Cgnnrw : Just want to add my two cents on the "Catholics only" issue. I seriously doubt the Vatican would make this a condition to the airline. Sure all employ
62 NW748i : Yes... so that the in the scope of society at large everyone is represented at a university. At the university that I attended this was a big issue.
63 Cwapilot : None of your posts previous to this one would indicate that you thought this way. Up until a certain point, you acted as though they were also demand
64 CatIII : Ok, back on topic for those of us that are interested in the Pope's flight to the US, on FlightAware his flight is listed as AZA4000. ETA at Andrews i
65 Cwapilot : That had better not interfere with the afternoon television programming! How dare he show up at a time when so many regular people are sitting at home
66 Post contains links Dalb777 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AZA4000
67 BAC111 : Amen to that. This starts out as a informed discussion, which I learned from, btwn aviation buffs about a historic event and how aviation plays a rol
68 Post contains links MadameConcorde : On this link there is a little picture of the aircraft cockpit windows with the two flags, Italy and the State of Vatican. It's in the middle of the p
69 Wannabe : You heard wrong. I was asked several years ago to consider a postion in the Vatican, and could not afford the pay cut. Given the price of housing in
70 Post contains links DCA-ROCguy : Back to the subject.. The Pope's trip to the U.S. There is a cool picture on this link. I wonder where it was taken. Looks like a real life situation,
71 N104UA : Any Idea about the Tail number of the a/c
72 Nycfly75 : The same Alitalia 772ER. No American carriers will be used.
73 N104UA : Would they do this now with the beds in first? and are there any pics of this.
74 NW748i : Thanks for reading them with a more trained eye than some others and not making the error of false assumption. Yes... to certain people. How about th
75 MadameConcorde : Thanks a lot for bringing the thread back on topic. I am also interested to know what the aircraft reg number is, who captained the flight and if anyb
76 JetJeanes : I was tracking him on flight aware and it was an atal/777 but it turned outside boston and i lost it,, there were c-130,s nt far off and an air france
77 United_Fan : Considering that the 1st class cabin was probably configured with a bed,i'm sure....
78 Ctbarnes : They had to. Otherwise the Episcopalians would get all the slots. Charles, SJ
79 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Looping? I hope the pilots did not loop the aircraft! That would be quite an event! They must have landed by now I suppose. Pictures of the aircraft w
80 Newark777 : About to touch down in DC, live on CNN.
81 LH498 : Landing now live on CNN International
82 JetJeanes : flight aware was five minutes behind on the plane actually landing after watching it land on cnn
83 CatIII : 777 looks pretty nice...
84 Newark777 : Flightaware has delays of about 5 minutes for all flights.
85 Knid : In NZ we say grow up. I hear they pay market rate for highly skilled positions, however for a Catholic the benefits may be very appealing.
86 Post contains links and images N104UA : The CNN video about his security it says SCV1 Agreed I wonder if the secret service took it off for security reasons Looks like EI-DBL "SESTRIERE" fr
87 ToTheStars : Thanks for the link TUNisia, great memories....I remember the selection process for crew members was incredibly stringent at TWA. I think that each t
88 Crownvic : Why is their a Korean 744 on the ramp at Andrews???
89 Post contains links MadameConcorde : A set of nice pictures where we can see the plane and the Pope on the tarmac greeted by the POTUS. I like the shoes! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pic
90 MadameConcorde : I am too late to edit my previous post. Today is Pope Benedict XVI's birthday. Happy 81st birthday Pope Benedict XVI!
91 Nolanative : I was at Cherry Creek all week for the event as well, we even spent the night camping out in the park for the Mass. I was also at Mile High Stadium t
92 MadameConcorde : I could only watch a recording of the Pope aircraft's arrival at AFB. It looks as they had 3 captains on board. The blonde leading stewardess looked l
93 BAC111 : Was wondering that myself. FlightAware had it leaving AAFB at 430pm local yesterday headed for JFK. My guess would be some S. Korean gov't officials.
94 United_Fan : I wonder why the break from tradition?
95 MadameConcorde : A little o/t. The Pope is hip! He wears Prada shoes and has an iPod with him. I gathered this from the comments on the reception at the White House li
96 AirEMS : MSNBC said that they usually use the South Lawn for helo ops but were unable to due to bleachers that were set up -Carl
97 United_Fan : That's what I too have heard . Good for him! I'm surprised AZ can do without a 777 for that long,though.
98 MadameConcorde : They must have had this planned long in advance with replacement aircrafts for the time the 777-200 ER would be away for the official transport.
99 A342 : Well, if there's no US carrier involved, I guess the pope won't have to pay for his pack of pretzels...
100 Post contains links Ctbarnes : Here's a mini "trip report" of the flight over on the papal plane courtesy of Catholic News Service: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/briefs/cns/2008
101 MadameConcorde : Thank you ctBarnes for posting the link. This report has a lot of great information so I am re-posting it just in case the link breaks or it becomes o
102 VC10DC10 : Well, Nationals Stadium is brand-spanking new, so there will be less gum to scrape off things to make the place semi-presentable for His Holiness. Th
103 Voodoo : No. They didn't notice because of Gordon Brown's visit and the Special Relationship between the UK and US.
104 MadameConcorde : Pope Benedict today's schedule. April 18 9:45 AM Kennedy International Airport Arrives in New York. During his visit, the pope will stay at the East 7
105 Babybus : Are you jewish? That's right all 00000.000001p of it.
106 VC10DC10 : Whatever your joke is, I don't understand it. As it happens, leaders from three important allies of the United States all show up in Washington the s
107 Longhaulheavy : Does Alitalia have cabotage rights? They just flew from DC to JFK.
108 Aussieindc : I can just see it rolling on up I-95 on it's own wheels. Interesting question though.
109 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Pope couture Vintage Vestments: The Philosophical Threads Woven Into Papal Garments For those paying attention to Vatican couture, Benedict has been c
110 United_Fan : Can it be broken down and put in the hold on a 777? I imagine it could.
111 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Inside the Papal 'Bubble,' a Curious Air Bubble residents no longer question another standard rule: If you wish to travel on one leg of the pope's tri
112 Luv2fly : Prada shoes I guess the vow of poverty does not apply when one is Pope.
113 Aussieindc : I would have thought that it would be previously transported to the next destination for his arrival as dismantling and reconstruction could take too
114 Newark777 : From the article: Looks like you should actually read the article before you pass judgment.
115 Luv2fly : It has been reported for a long time that the Pope does in fact wear Prada shoes.
116 Newark777 : Pretty vague, you must have a source for your "reports" I assume?
117 Dispatchguy : When he arrived at JFK this morning, it appeared like he was riding in one of the Marine-One type helos, however, this helo didnt have the white top,
118 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Did the Pope fly to JFK on the helicopter or on the Alitalia flying popemobile? I have a contradictory report on this one. Dignitaries, guests greet p
119 Bok269 : Care to elaborate?
120 Nycfly75 : The Pope flew to JFK on the same Alitalia 777 he flew to Andrews with. The 777 will stay at JFK until the Pope departs on it Sunday night. As a coinci
121 MadameConcorde : Will they refit this 777 flying popemobile so it can be used again for commercial service after the U.S. papal trip? Also I wonder if it will be one o
122 Post contains links Dalb777 : A video on http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/18/pope.fri/index.html#cnnSTCVideo shows the pope getting off the AZ 777 at JFK and getting into one of the
123 Aeri28 : Dont worry, people know exactly what you mean. Same for Air Force One.
124 Voodoo : Sorry! I wasn't joking at your expense. Just Gordon Brown's. His approval rating in the UK is now lower than Chamberlains in Sept. 1939.[Edited 2008-
125 MadameConcorde : I am having a peek at the live broadcast of the Mass for the clergys at St Patrick's cathedral in NYC. There are a lot of cardinals there coming from
126 PHLJJS : I don't believe priests take vows of poverty. Nuns do. Also, I remember reading when he first became pope that the shoes were infact from Prada.
127 MadameConcorde : I have no idea if the Pope receives a salary for being in his position. The cardinals probably do, I have no idea how much they get paid if little or
128 Post contains links Viscount724 : The shoes are supplied at no cost. Prada gets more benefit from the free PR. Many other things used by the Pope are donated, including the Popemobile
129 IronDuke08 : They might as well let the Pope charter it; it's not like they were going to be making money with it anyway!
130 Post contains links Ctbarnes : Diocesan priests do not take vows of poverty, but are expected to live simply. Not hard to do because the salaries are quite modest, around $45K a ye
131 Flyguy1 : Anyone know which AZ 777 the pope arrived on?
132 Viscount724 : It was the one in the photo in Reply 86.
133 Bok269 : Any word on how the Pope is getting to and from Yonkers tomorrow?
134 Bok269 : Any word on how the Pope is getting to and from Yonkers today?
135 Post contains links 70sFlyer : I found this article after browsing a link from above. I'm not sure if anyone has found this yet or not, but it is an excellent source for demonstrati
136 MadameConcorde : Information on the Pope's departure from JFK 8-8:30 p.m. - Departure from John F. Kennedy International Airport Approximately 3,250 guests will bid fa
137 MadameConcorde : Looking at how they brought the Popemobile on wheels inside Yankee Stadium with the round the stadium Pope "run" inside his vehicle to the sound of Be
138 N104UA : Are there any pics of the plane inside? And did they modify it for the pope or did they leave it since there are suites in F?
139 Viscount724 : AZ eliminated first class service quite a few years ago. I'm sure there were some modifications for the Pope's trip, probably including some type of
140 DocLightning : This New Yorker will be glad to see him go, though. I mean, they shut down the entire East Side on a few occasions. You can't *do* that! Traffic was b
141 United_Fan : They are showing the 777 on TV,now Still can't find it ob flightaware.
142 CatIII : Can anyone get the JFK ATC feed on Live ATC? I'm having a problem connecting to it. Can anyone record it?
143 KC135TopBoom : Thousands of your fellow NYers are happy to see him. Look at the crowds at Ground Zero, Yankee Stadium , and JFK. The B-777 "Shepard-1" is taxiing no
144 EMBQA : You won't find it on Flightaware. The flight would be listed as a blocked-secure flight.[Edited 2008-04-20 18:00:53]
145 Post contains links Ual4me : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AZA4001 Pope's flight, I think!
146 CatIII : His inbound was on Flightaware...
147 Nycfly75 : What..AZ's 767s and 777s have two classes; Magnifica and Economy
148 EMBQA : Yea... I just found it too......AZA4001..... Odd they allowed it to be listed
149 Post contains links 747fan : It sure is on Flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AZA4001 Departed from JFK's 13R at about 8:57. I also tracked it on Passur. On Passur it
150 SXDFC : I wondered if the crew got a special blessing too? I am sure the pilots they showed on TV are some of AZ senior crews, or they bid it just like any ot
151 AAH732UAL : Where do it goes after Ciampino (LIRA), ferry to Milan or ROMA?
152 Dalb777 : Any ideas as to why he departed from Fiumicino, but is arriving into Ciampino? Maybe runway length at Ciampino???
153 AAH732UAL : Fun fact, EWTN(Catholic TV station) said that an US Airline was suppose to take him home but none stepped up hence why AZA took him back. Not very goo
154 Post contains links and images NightFlier : Yep he is on his way home on AZA4000. I posted another topic about his flight home check it out for I have a question ? Here is a photo of the plane h
155 MadameConcorde : I hope he had a good flight back to Rome. For a man of 81 he has done really well energy-wise! Yankee Stadium was more a big party as well as a Mass.
156 Post contains links Door5Right : Protocol. His Holiness The Pope always departs from one Rome airport and returns to the other. The Pope is travelling on an Alitalia B777, named 'Ses
157 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Thank you for the picture of the Pope on board the aircraft. I don't know why they did not follow up on Singapore Airlines installing a Suite but it m
158 Post contains links Door5Right : For those interested in what it is like to be onboard the Papal Flight (Shepherd One) here is an interesting article: "In-flight amenities: Journalist
159 United_Fan : Did they take the flags down ? What did they sit into ? Nice ad for AZ,though. That 777 must habe been washed before the trip,it looked spotless
160 CatIII : While I appreciate your love for Concorde, it makes zero economic sense to keep two available to fly His Holiness on the two or three flights a year
161 AAH732UAL : The country he leaves from has to provide the airplane. The countries he visits, has to supply the return plane. So unless he went to the UK and Fran
162 CatIII : Except we dropped the ball!
163 AAH732UAL : yup as i said above last night
164 CatIII : Just in free PR alone it had to be worth bidding the contract. I can't believe DL, AA, CO, UA didn't think it was worth it.
165 AAH732UAL : Well UA, AA, or DL or CO out of EWR. B/c they all fly to ROMA. DL and AA out of JFK alone[Edited 2008-04-21 08:39:09]
166 777gk : CO serves FCO 1-2x a day from EWR. The 4-letter ICAO code for FCO is LIRF, while CIA is LIRA, FYI. I believe the Papal contract requires an aircraft
167 AAH732UAL : Fixed it, and UAL does a T7 out of IAD for the summer.
168 Jfk777 : I find it ashame a USA airline couldn't fly the Pope back to ROME from JFK. TWA did it for years, AA with its huge 777 fleet could have cancelled a tr
169 CatIII : It was decided by whom? Since no US carriers bid on it, I don't think the Vatican had much of a choice.
170 Jfk777 : The last time Alitalia did it both ways was when John Paul went to Havana in 1998 on an MD-11. Any one have information on the Pope Benedict's trip to
171 SXDFC : Id love to see the pics of the pope with the crew! I got to admit when they showed the crew on TV, all the pilots looked pretty spiffy. Well chances a
172 MadameConcorde : Shame that the media have not published more pictures of the Pope on board the Alitalia flying popemobile. The old popemobile on wheels (SCV1 first bu
173 BP1 : Madame Concorde, I sent the package last week by FedEx, has it arrived yet? Tim
174 DCA-ROCguy : Just wanted to say thanks MadameConcorde for starting this thread. It was good to have a clearinghouse for information about Benedict's travel arrange
175 VCEapt : I also want to thank MadameConcorde for this thread. The Pope's visit in the United States has been a great success. Once more the United States have
176 CatIII : Ha, after they "rationalize the fleet" and get their "$1 billion revenuies from it", they might not have any to spare!
177 MadameConcorde : Thank you very much for your kind comments. We will all be back for another similar thread on the Pope's visit to Sydney in July. There will be a lot
178 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Papa rientrato a Roma dopo il viaggio di 6 giorni negli Usa Dopo un volo notturno, l'aereo del Papa è atterrato all'aeroporto di Ciampino intorno all
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