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Dutch Government Cripples Dutch Airports...again  
User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

You know already that taxes will become subject for short, medium and long haul flights from all Dutch airports, starting from this Summer. Now Schiphol Amsterdam Airport, with its 'open air' long term car parks and high parking fees, has unveiled a proposal to increase the passenger service charge with 10% and the security service charge by 50%. The national airport says that it have to do so because the Dutch government is requiring so. Dutch airlines are against that plan. Huhhhh, why....???

Okay, I guess that's the final drop for many Dutch to fly from Schiphol. Now they'll all take the car and spoil the environment to travel to their beloved neighbour airports like Brussels, Liege, Anwerp, Köln/Bonn, Paderborn, Frankfurt, Paris, Frankfurt-Hahn, Airport Weeze, Düsseldorf etc.

[Edited 2008-04-14 04:19:38]

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User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

This is very bad for KL. It will make people hate going through airports. I agree in paying taxes and healthcare but not on something like this. The royal family should give their money to the airports!
AMS will suffer. Most likely theyll cancel this if proven.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9170 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2134 times:



Quoting Boeing777/747 (Thread starter):
environment to travel to their beloved neighbour airports like Brussels, Liege, Anwerp, Köln/Bonn, Paderborn, Frankfurt,

Good grief, even more yellow licence plates blocking the left and centre lanes of the A3 !!!  Wink


Will that apply for transit passengers as well? KLM needs to do some lobbying to avoid these additional costs for their passengers.



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2042 times:



Quoting Boeing777/747 (Thread starter):
Now they'll all take the car and spoil the environment to travel to their beloved neighbour airports like Brussels, Liege, Anwerp, Köln/Bonn, Paderborn, Frankfurt, Paris, Frankfurt-Hahn, Airport Weeze, Düsseldorf etc.

I doubt it will go that fast. Some of the airports you mention (BRU, NRN, DUS, also DTM) are already quite popular with the Dutch, especially those from the eastern and southern provinces and they'll likely grow a bit more.

FRA, HHN, and CDG are just very far away. FRA and CDG have expensive parking places too - and only in gas (compact car, gasoline) I already pay EUR 80 to get to FRA, whilst tickets are not much cheaper ex FRA. The same goes for CDG. CRL will benefit a bit probably.

With respect to KLM, I don't think they suffer too much. They are not really in the market for price-sensitive O&D travelers anyways, so they will be affected, but not very much. Transavia or easyJet will probably suffer more.

Quoting Sailas (Reply 1):
The royal family should give their money to the airports!

????

Quoting Sailas (Reply 1):
Most likely theyll cancel this if proven.

They won't. In recent years we've seen many price hikes. Every time, people complain, threat about going to other airports, etc, etc; and after a couple of weeks the complaints are over and AMS keeps growing.

Airports like MST and EIN suffer way more from all taxes, as they are in the price-sensitive market, and have competitors very close (LGG, NRN, BRU).


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Maybe FMO will finally emerge as the sort of airport it wants to see itself as...  Smile


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineSirDeath From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Maybe this will be the reason to finally get the runway lengthened at ANR ...Well, here's hoping anyway  crossfingers   Smile

User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1761 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
Good grief, even more yellow licence plates blocking the left and centre lanes of the A3 !!!  

Hide!!! The Belgians and Dutch love flying from German airports. Toll


User currently offlineBlast From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

This extra taxing is probably not going to stop AMS from growing. It is bad news for passengers though.

However, to drive your car from Amsterdam to Brussels will also set you back 40 euro on petrol, and another 40 euro to drive back again. Furthermore, it adds two times three hours to your journey.

FRA and CDG are indeed really far away and most of the other, smaller airports simply do not offer the destinations that AMS does.


User currently offlineKL1291 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1684 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 2):
Good grief, even more yellow licence plates blocking the left and centre lanes of the A3 !!!

That's 'our way' to compensate the fact we already suffer German 4-season blockage towards our beautiful west-coast for years  Wink

KL1291


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1555 times:



Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 4):
Maybe FMO will finally emerge as the sort of airport it wants to see itself as...

I think they should keep on hoping  Smile Except from the Twente region (Hengelo, Enschede,...) , FMO is not extremely convenient. From most parts of Gelderland, Dusseldorf seems more convenient.

Quoting Blast (Reply 7):

However, to drive your car from Amsterdam to Brussels will also set you back 40 euro on petrol, and another 40 euro to drive back again. Furthermore, it adds two times three hours to your journey.

Indeed, for pure Amsterdam O&D, Brussel is not really an alternative. In fact, KLM even flies between both airports  Smile

However, the Dutch population is not extremely concentrated around Amsterdam. It is one of the important population centers, but not the only one.

From Rotterdam, Schiphol is (without traffic) a 45-minute drive. Rotterdam-Brussels is 1:30, so it makes only a difference of 45 minutes. From the "big" cities in Brabant (Breda, Tilburg, Eindhoven), BRU is even closer than AMS. From Utrecht, BRU is 1 hour further away than AMS, as is DUS.

From Arnhem and Nijmegen, DUS and AMS take the same driving distance. LH is actively advertising BetterFly direct flights from DUS in these cities.

Recently, they have started a Ryanair bus between Amsterdam, Utrecht and Weeze for EUR 40 return. Schiphol by train is 15 euro (full-fare) so getting to Weeze is EUR 25 more expensive. For holiday flights, deals from Weeze are often many times cheaper. And if you go by car, parking fees are low.

Probably intra-European holiday O&D traffic will move more to foreign airports, giving AMS room for growth for the hub function.


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