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Merger: Continental & United Ready If Others Merge  
User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17388 times:

Continental and United ready if others merge: sources
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1440305420080414

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Continental Airlines and United Airlines have laid most of the groundwork for a merger, two people briefed on the matter said, and could have a deal ready "pretty quickly" if Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines announce a tie-up, one of them said.

Continental, which has said it would prefer to be independent unless the competitive landscape changes, plans to get back to the negotiating table with United if a merger between between Delta and Northwest is announced, both sources said.

Both the people requested not to be identified because of the confidential nature of the talks.



That would leave American Airlines and US Airways as the only two other majors, without a partner. Can you say American Airways?  Wink


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User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1861 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17362 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Thread starter):
Can you say American Airways? Wink

I wouldn't be surprised, but can they stand up to a combined DL/NW AND CO/UA even if they combine?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17369 times:

Airtran, jetBlue, Alaska, Frontier... many majors remain.

NS


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17366 times:

AA would be absolutely stupid to try to merge with US in it's current form.

There used to always be rumors of B6 and F9 hooking up, what say you? Given F9's current state, it would probably be a good time for B6 to act, but I'm not sure their books could support a merger right now.

[Edited 2008-04-14 16:04:36]

User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17341 times:

Wasn't there already a "status" thread on this? Plus I don't think US and AA are looking to merge. They just merged w/ HP not too long ago. So no not right now.


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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17336 times:

You know, after reading hundreds of these "sources near the talks" quotes, don't you wonder who the so-called informants are? "Sources ask not to be identified due to the confidential nature of the talks."

Wonder how many of them are calculated leaks and how many are just truly people breaking confidentiality agreements in hopes of 5 minutes of fame.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17264 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Thread starter):
That would leave American Airlines and US Airways as the only two other majors, without a partner. Can you say American Airways?

Not going to happen.

(At least I highly doubt it.)


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17246 times:



Quoting RJ777 (Reply 1):
I wouldn't be surprised, but can they stand up to a combined DL/NW AND CO/UA even if they combine?

Actually, I see AA standing up to "New Delta" and "UCA" just fine...presuming they can get their labor house in order. And a merger with US would just make that infinitely harder.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17172 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
(At least I highly doubt it.)

But......would AA team with US to breakup NW? A too ggood to resist offer to NW shareholders.

AA takes pacific, US takes domestic. US joins One World.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5622 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17153 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 7):
Actually, I see AA standing up to "New Delta" and "UCA" just fine...presuming they can get their labor house in order. And a merger with US would just make that infinitely harder.

I agree, but perhaps the thought of replacing MD80's with A32X's after a large downsizing of a merged AA/US might help.  Smile

I agree wtih Commavia, though, in that it would probably make more sense to simply invest in the new aircraft and skip the entire integration issues. After all, how many morning-after "merger" hangovers can one carrier experience before they finally give up the bottle?

-Dave



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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17149 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
Not going to happen.

(At least I highly doubt it.)

 laughing  Well, if that ain't sticking to your convictions!


User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17043 times:

If UA/CO deal goes through, what will come of their alliance membership? UA is in Star Alliance, and CO is in Skyteam: where do you think new airline will end up?


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3695 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16971 times:



Quoting RJ777 (Reply 1):
I wouldn't be surprised, but can they stand up to a combined DL/NW AND CO/UA even if they combine?

AA would be fine by themselves and I believe US would only be a hinderance.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16979 times:



Quoting Concentriq (Reply 11):
If UA/CO deal goes through, what will come of their alliance membership? UA is in Star Alliance, and CO is in Skyteam: where do you think new airline will end up?

DL/NW will stay in SkyTeam, so UA/CO would 99% go to Star, 100% if LH gets involved in any way. LH would get involved for the sole reason of keeping UA in Star, let alone any other benefits.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7684 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16869 times:



Quoting Concentriq (Reply 11):
If UA/CO deal goes through, what will come of their alliance membership? UA is in Star Alliance, and CO is in Skyteam: where do you think new airline will end up?

I would bet any amount of money that they end up in Star.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16813 times:

If a CO/UA merger happens, I predict that CO managment will step in, but the United name, as well as Star alliance, and Mileage Plus remain. Hubs could be ORD, IAH, EWR, DEN, and SFO, leaving IAD and LAX as focus cities.


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16731 times:



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 15):
If a CO/UA merger happens, I predict that CO managment will step in, but the United name, as well as Star alliance, and Mileage Plus remain. Hubs could be ORD, IAH, EWR, DEN, and SFO, leaving IAD and LAX as focus cities.

Agreed except for EWR vs IAD. As mentioned in the other threads, IAD has a lot of room to grow, while EWR is pretty much at it's max capacity.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16680 times:



Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 16):
Agreed except for EWR vs IAD. As mentioned in the other threads, IAD has a lot of room to grow, while EWR is pretty much at it's max capacity.

I was bent on IAD vs EWR. One of them will become the new PIT.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16684 times:

Pittsburgh has practically no economy. Washington, DC is the capital of the free world.

They're not similar situations.

NS


User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16629 times:

And if UA/CO hook up with the CO people running the show (which is most likely), then they'll FINALLY add PTVs with AVOD to their 744s and and upgrade the international ones with PTVs---the 767s & 777s to AVOD).

I'd bet the UA employees would rather be under Kellner's leadership than Tilton's.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16615 times:

AA has no reason to merge with US. What does US give them? Phoenix? Philly? The Carolinas?

AA could buy AS, but that would be about the only mashup I could see.

US is more likely to buyout a smaller carrier as well.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16606 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 19):

I'd bet the UA employees would rather be under Kellner's leadership than Tilton's.

Exactly. All the CO people need to realize this. UA's current company attitude is entirely due to the way the employees have been shafted by management since about 1993 (maybe even earlier). It won't happen overnight, but UA has a LOT of potential to be even greater than CO with the right guys at the helm.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16596 times:



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 15):
Hubs could be ORD, IAH, EWR, DEN, and SFO

IMO, those alone would make that possibly combined airline the undisputed king of commercial aviation. 3 monsters at the start followed by 2 other cities UA already dominates. I'm sure they'd hang onto LAX, and I hope they'd be sensible enough to figure a way to make EWR and IAD work with strong frequencies at both.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16573 times:



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 22):
EWR and IAD work with strong frequencies at both.

Something like what United does with SFO and LAX now.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16556 times:



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 17):

I was bent on IAD vs EWR. One of them will become the new PIT.

I cannot see that happening. Both EWR and IAD are too huge of markets. They will be fine to co-exist. Its a whole different ballgame compared to PIT.



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25 777fan : Alaska and Airtran would be perfect matches for AA since both address needs in terms of markets (in the NW, and SE, respectively), and possible fleet
26 Continental180 : thanks..i need the reassuring because I'm getting very anxious now.. and its driving me crazy. I hope your right.
27 Gigneil : I've always thought that Alaska and AA would end up together... Airtran not a bad move either. That being said, what exactly does AA get from Alaska?
28 JpetekYXMD80 : You need not!
29 UAORD2000 : AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! We are a great airline with great employees. People are furious with Tilton and his gang. Period.
30 JpetekYXMD80 : I cannot tell you how happy I would be to see United under Continental management. The continuance of the United name would be the icing on the cake.
31 Post contains images Concentriq : So, my guess is everyone pretty much agrees that CLE will be SOL if UA/CO is to happen. (and I am not referring to Solomon airport in Alaska). [Edited
32 FriendlySkies : I'm not so sure...it's a good position to be a reliever for ORD, but with the new runways at ORD, that won't be as much of an issue in the future.
33 Gatorguy : I truly agree. A combination of two airlines that each have things to offer. The employees of United may certainly welcome such a change. My wife has
34 Post contains images Allstarflyer : CO would have to be better, because if they weren't, they would have to beat . . . -Capitulating to the pilots union (1985) -Building and then foldin
35 777fan : Me too! Let's do it UA and CO! I'd be wiling to ante up the $100 to complete the golden share deal! An article in the Chicago Tribune earlier today c
36 Post contains links Concentriq : Did a quick google search, and this is what was said 2 month ago: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh.../2008-02-17-cleveland-merger_N.htm and the e
37 B727fan : I'd hate to see CO's service downgrade. (amongst legacies of course) But would love to see CO paint scheme on a 747-400
38 Globaldude : IAH a focus city? LOL IAH a is gem in the new crown!
39 N104UA : My entire family works for UA and they HATE Tilton and would take anyone over him SFO=Hub LAX=Focus city I can see this happening DEN will most likel
40 CIDflyer : CO is fairly weak here in the upper midwest/plains, (IA, WI, IL, NE, Dakotas, etc) where United is fairly strong. If a merger did come about could we
41 Iloveboeing : Kellner should be Chairman of the Board AND CEO!
42 777fan : Are you high? Seriously?! LAX is an international gateway, not a niche, not a focus city. End of story. A UA-CO merger would also give the 'new' carr
43 JpetekYXMD80 : Yeah, definitely. The say I see it- based not only on scale, but on overall facilities- the 5 'flagship' hubs would be: ORD, DEN, SFO, EWR, IAH. I se
44 Falcon84 : To borrow a college sports phrase, those are "Mid-Majors" at best, and certainly don't compare to the big boys on the block. AA can make it alone. Of
45 Gigneil : DEN is a far superior facility to ORD. NS
46 Allstarflyer : Next to ORD, that would be their breadwinning hub.
47 Atmx2000 : More to the point, Washington and its suburbs are one of the wealthiest areas in the country (largely due to spending of tax money on politicians and
48 Falcon84 : EWR is a goldmine for CO, with it's worldwide presence. With those three, you have, right there, perhaps, the best hub system in the nation. IAH for
49 Gigneil : Based on what? Houston is an out of the way connecting hub with a good portion of O/D. San Francisco, Chicago, and Los Angeles are all massive O/D air
50 JpetekYXMD80 : Yes, it is an international gateway. Its sheer size makes it possible to have an international network based purely on O&D traffic. LAX being a hub m
51 CIDflyer : agreed. As it stands now IAH's CO hub has more daily flights (around 700ish) compared to UA at ORD (they are around 600 or so). IAH in the UA system
52 Falcon84 : Is that why it has 700-plus flights a day for CO. IAH is a huge city-one of the top 10 in the nation. It's the gateway to Latin America; it has servi
53 JpetekYXMD80 : Exactly. Look how CO is able to cover Mexico from IAH. It's staggering. Don't they fly to over 30 different cities in Mexico? It makes a perfect Lati
54 PanAm330 : Please keep the United name, colors, hubs (except IAD. CO's EWR facilities are 10 times better), and leave MileagePlus alone. Seriously, CO and crew -
55 Gigneil : They have more flights because they operate ERJs to their maximum capacity to maximize connections. United at ORD, relatively, has far fewer RJs. The
56 Falcon84 : Sorry, I'd rather see our name and colors survive. We're both biased, I guess, but I think right now, the CO brand name is more respected, and I'll t
57 FriendlySkies : Hard to believe considering the mess that is Terminal 2.
58 Allstarflyer : Good point, although, the only area where the possibly-new airline would still be weak is the SE - some of those IAH-Florida trips are a bit long and
59 CIDflyer : agreed. And if US were to die off that could be to AA's benefit, they could pick off the parts of US that would make sense (CLT hub, DCA focus city,
60 UAL777 : UA is the stronger brand. No doubt about it.
61 Concentriq : Yes, I agree... If 50% EQM happens, it would suck either way for me, no matter if MileagePlus or OnePass is kept. I have roughly the same amount in e
62 Jacobin777 : ...and I prefer corporate HQ be in Chicago.. ... ..probably, but UA was not only heading for Chapter 11, but probably Chapter 7....Tilton did a pheno
63 Concentriq : So, who will venture a guess when we will see announcement of UA/CO merger, now that NW/DL deal happened?? shoudl we start a pool??
64 Gigneil : Sadly, I would say its not true. The CO name, while respected, is just not known by a majority of people. United is a household name. Yeah I know. NS
65 Ikramerica : Another shot at a true west coast presence. AirCal, Reno, etc. whoops. But this time, they have an in place structure from Alaska to Mexico. One issu
66 JpetekYXMD80 : It will be VERY interesting to see the fate of the 3-class or 2-class model, not to mention the fate of economy plus. Thoughts, anyone?
67 Falcon84 : But it's been a lousy brand for quite awhile, and that's what the U.S. public will think. Now, yes, UA has the more RECOGNIZED brand, but the stronge
68 PanAm330 : ORD also has AA, and IAH is basically all CO's. I'll agree, though - IAH has tremendous value, with a market where UA is very weak - Latin and South
69 Gigneil : United is a much larger airline with a lot of market research into those products. Economy Plus directly contributes to their bottom line as does the
70 Gatorguy : In your opinion. Don't think the majority of the public has your same feeling.....but I am also bias toward CO. Amazing how we can see and feel what
71 FriendlySkies : UA and CO have the same public perception...the average American has no opinion on them one way or the other, but UA has a larger network and would b
72 United Airline : Will it be UA buying Continental? Or vice versa?
73 Ikramerica : Only a UA fan would claim this. There is a lot of negative perception of UA out there. Sorry to break it to you. People generally like their CO exper
74 FriendlySkies : It's anyone's guess. UA has more cash on hand I think, but it would be more of a mutual thing...not hostile. If LH makes a play I'd say UA is the "bu
75 Gigneil : None of these companies can really acquire each other. They're mergers. CO might have people running the show after, but ostensibly they would then st
76 FriendlySkies : You can't back that up anymore than I can back up my argument.
77 NorthstarBoy : sure, AA gets a large number of 737-700s, 800s and 900s, to replace the oldest MD-80s, the 734s and 717s go to the desert or back to their lessors, H
78 JpetekYXMD80 : I will admit, through this decade, Continental seems to have the more positive image within the United States. However, United seems like the stronge
79 FriendlySkies : E+ makes UA a lot of money. It's not going anywhere. If you don't want to feel "second class" (not sure why, regular economy on UA is just like any o
80 Ikramerica : Not true. A smaller company can acquire a larger one, if they have the right financial backing to do so. And Delta is buying NW. They aren't merging,
81 Post contains links Concentriq : Except for someone seating in Seat 29E on a 737-800 http://www.snopes.com/travel/airline/seat29e.asp
82 GlobalDude : United is a household name for sure, not always in a positive way, but a major brand. Continental is by no means unheard of and generally regarded by
83 Gigneil : These things are constantly and scientifically measured, and satisfaction and brand awareness are different. United is a massively bigger brand. Peri
84 FriendlySkies : I'd be willing to bet a majority of frequent Star travelers have never even heard of CO.
85 BOStonsox : When LH bought a share in B6 there were rumors of a B6/UA merger but with CO in the mix you can kiss that one goodbye. But I never saw that one happen
86 YNGguins : Crazy year in aviation! 4 legacies become 2... Four airlines cease operations... Thousands of flights cancelled because of ties on landing gear??? Wha
87 GlobalDude : "I'd be willing to bet a majority of frequent Star travelers have never even heard of CO" FriendlySkies....seriously? That is silly. CAL is the worlds
88 Cjuniel : My thoughts might be a tad scattered, so bear with me. It is interesting to see some of the comments regardling downgrading Dulles to a "focus city".
89 CLE757 : Here come the CLE haters.
90 EA CO AS : Everything I've seen regarding the potential UA/CO merger has the CO name and livery surviving. I know it seems counter-intuitive to most people here
91 IliriBDL : It would make more sense to keep the United name, which is known worldwide and sounds better than Continental.
92 STT757 : I think LH made the investment in B6 in anticipation of a CO/UAL merger, not a UAL/B6 merger. For one thing it keeps a combined NWA/DL from trying to
93 Gigneil : No they aren't. They were the 5th largest US carrier before today's announcement and they're variably between the 10th and 15th largest in the world,
94 STT757 : Fourth largest US carrier.
95 ASFlyer81 : What bout Alaska and Hawaiian merge? somthing diffrent,
96 TIA : I don't understand why people dismiss IAD (and to a lesser extent DC as a city) as a primary hub so quickly. Sure it's not EWR, but it's in one of the
97 Cjuniel : One last thing, no matter who runs the combined company, the Denver hub is going NOWHERE. It's a great location for domestic connecting traffic for Un
98 EA CO AS : Why? Both airlines do quite well on their own as standalone, niche carriers.
99 GlobalDude : 4th us/ 5th global using the same metrics that put UA at 2 and 2.
100 ASFlyer81 : Well I had to say, I would hate to say goodbye to Alaska air
101 GlobalDude : per the continental website: Continental Airlines is the world's fifth largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental
102 Iloveboeing : Denver is a relatively large market. As of 2006, the Denver metro area had 2.4 million people (wikipedia) and DEN is the largest airport in the count
103 Gigneil : And what are those? For passengers flown, CO was 7th in the US in January. NS
104 United1 : Avalible Seat Miles
105 FriendlySkies : Ok...maybe they've heard of them, but that's probably about it. People in the Star network of FFs will know UA a hell of a lot better than they would
106 JpetekYXMD80 : There are different measures you can use. CO is #5 in scheduled passenger-kilometers flown, but don't crack the top 10 in overall passengers flown. D
107 Par13del : AA can stand on its own, but if a merger is required there is only one carrier that would bring any benefit to AA and change the landscape of air trav
108 Watchandlearn : I too would hate to see AS acquired by someone....especially American with their slash and burn acquisition history. I too would love to see the Alask
109 Gigneil : For the 12 months ended January, they were 5th in the US by ASMs as well as RPMs. United was 3rd. My source is BTS. NS
110 Gigneil : I think we're arguing about nothing. I can't wait for Continental management to take over UA, and their employees and shareholders agree. The United n
111 BOStonsox : I wouldn't call myself a CLE hater, but why would they keep it? Do they want 9 hubs (with Guam included)? Could they have 9 hubs? The area already is
112 Post contains links STT757 : Now that DL/NWA have announced their merger CO is free to buy back the Golden Share from NWA, for $100.00 dollars. http://www.financialweek.com/apps/p
113 StuckInCA : Living in CA and WA, I can certainly say that CO has been a non-factor. I've flown them and enjoyed it, but most people I know probably have not had
114 Halls120 : Same here in the DC area. AA, DL, and US dominate at DCA, and UA dwarfs everyone at IAD. CO is a blip at both airports.
115 STT757 : Opposite can be said in the NYC/NJ market, CO is the largest in the NYC market and UAL is just small niche.
116 SCCutler : I am always amused at the claims by the "Clearasil Council" that United's brand name is so much more broadly-known and, therefore, the United name is
117 777law : No way NRT is going to be a "focus" city -- one of the major inducements for CO in this merger are UA's Asia routes. If anything, NRT will expand as
118 Gigneil : UA's Asia routes are for more valuable from the US and CO/UA's superior US hubs than they are for NW/DL and their second tier ones. NW needs NRT. UA/C
119 STT757 : UAL's Narita slots can tie in nicely with CO's Micronesian operation, or CO/UAL could sell the NRT slots to AA. As mentioned NRT is not as important t
120 AAH732UAL : UAL will be the airline that survives. To much history on that name to have it crash into a name that has seen 4 bankruptcies. COA will take over but
121 STT757 : CO: Complimentary meals at meal time, Live Tv installation on all 737-700s, 737-800s, 737-900s, 737-900ERs, 757-300s. UAL: Economy Plus, channel 9, P.
122 Cjuniel : Excellent Point. You can add TWA and Eastern to that list also.
123 Gigneil : Both of those airlines went out in massive scandal, and the other airlines picked up their pieces. Neither CO nor UA is on the front page of the newsp
124 FriendlySkies : You can make this argument for most of the West and Midwest (other than Texas). UA, meanwhile, is pretty well known everywhere except maybe the South
125 Cjuniel : The point wasnt the scandal Gigneil. The point was no matter how large or well known a company is, the name can disappear virtually overnight, and lif
126 Gigneil : That is true, of course. NS
127 777law : Same with Asia -- CO is non-entity. UA on the other hand is probably the single most recognized US airline in Asia. From an international perspective
128 TWAL1011 : Houston may be those things - but it isn't pretty. Yuck seriously that city is an armpit.
129 Gigneil : And none of those statistics are really contextually correct, either. NS
130 Toxtethogrady : It isn't pretty, but it gets the job done. You would be surprised how many people will live in shitholes if that's where the money is made...
131 Breaker1011 : From what I read, "single most recognized brand" isn't always a good thing, as it's not quite recognized with admiration by everyone. CO is. Let's no
132 N104UA : This would give UA 90% ish of all traffic in DEN and the like fleets and the F9 Ch11 this is the perfect time Unless they just keep the same kitchens
133 AAH732UAL : Yeah and it would negate having to buy new Buses when UAL is allowed to buy planes again at the end of 09. That way they could buy bigger ones and ge
134 Gigneil : What do you mean by "allowed" to buy new planes? I'm not familiar with any embargo. NS
135 Halls120 : Not that it matters one whit to this discussion, I would have to agree. The only major cities in the US that have a higher "yuck" factor are Detroit
136 CuriousFlyer : Someone announced the merger for midnight. 1 mn left...
137 Gigneil : What someone and where? NS
138 Drerx7 : Thats the most rediculous bull$*** I've heard in this thread yet.
139 Antoniemey : Ahem... TWO bankruptcies. Both directly caused by one man. So... we've got "insiders" supposedly claiming that both names will be staying... we'll ju
140 N104UA : On the NW/DL anounce merger thread
141 MasseyBrown : Apparently the latest version of the DL/NW merger excludes the previously-proposed equity investment by AF. There has been no mention at all of any ca
142 CuriousFlyer : Someone in the NW DL merger discussion... it looks like his/her announcement was removed...
143 CuriousFlyer : My bad, it is still there (the post # has just changed): Etops1 From Puerto Rico, joined Nov 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 69, posted Mon Apr 14 2008 1
144 N104UA : UA and CO are both in CDT so it could be one more hour
145 Falcon84 : They would keep it because 1. it makes money, and 2. It's positioned to be a benefit domestically to the system. ORD and EWR can grow internationally
146 Gigneil : I am dubious of Etops1's sources. NS
147 CuriousFlyer : I'll try and go to sleep. We'll know better tomorrow!
148 MarcoPoloWorld : Cool. I love that statement, because not only does it say something about Houston (the issue is about the built environment and the socio-economic dy
149 777law : Ah, the inevitable "Air Mike" reference when discussing CO in Asia. While geographically part of Asia (maybe), jumping around Micronesia and the Sout
150 WunalaYann : Hmmm... Although I see (and agree to a certain extent with) your underlying point (America's leadership in the Western world), maybe the wording of y
151 Gigneil : My comment was intentionally histrionic to provide additional distance between that situation and Pittsburgh, PA. NS
152 WunalaYann : Point taken.
153 ThePalauan : CO + UA = Varney Airlines After all, their roots trace back from the same man.
154 LAXdude1023 : Youre not very smart are you? Have you ever taken an economics class? Given your tone, it didnt surprise me to learn that youre just another snob fro
155 Gigneil : San Francisco is a beta city. It is of a superior class to Washington, Atlanta, Dallas, Shanghai, Joburg, Amsterdam, Houston. Basically, San Francisco
156 Ocracoke : Houston has those pretty twinkling lights on all those oil refineries near by. That should count for something. It's like Christmas trees at night, a
157 Drerx7 : This just earned him a spot on the a.net DISrespected user list...along with the rest of these uninformed fools Continental would be the acquiring ca
158 Ocracoke :
159 United1 : Well guys its past Midnight in Chicago and Houston and no announcement, I really didn't think that it would happen this quickly. I absolutely belive t
160 Gigneil : Continental is not financially capable of being the acquiring carrier. They do not have anywhere near UA's assets, cash, or even current equity, and
161 United1 : Exactly....much like the DL/NW merger is purely stock (MW shareholders are receiving DL stock) UA/CO will more then likely be structured this way. It
162 NYC2theworld : I doubt anybody at NW is taking CO calls. NW isn't going to exactly hold their breath waiting for Kellner and Co. to call their 100.00 option on the
163 United1 : This is pure speculation from me as well but some how I get the feeling that a UPS/FedEx package is enroute from IAH-MSP tonight perhaps with a few m
164 Wdleiser : I believe a passenger would rather fly United First class over Continental Biz First. Uniteds new biz class is far better than that of Continentals bi
165 United1 : Most International First Class services are better then BizFirst or UAs Business as it should be since they are a class above Business and you pay fo
166 Kanebear : Have you flown them? The First Suite is better as seats go than anything CO offers but the soft product is much much MUCH better on CO. Mind you, a p
167 MasseyBrown : On how many planes are the new seats installed? My experience in the "old" (and I do mean old!) business class was not good at all.
168 Aaway : Nicely rounds out LAX as well.
169 BOStonsox : Exactly. New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles are Alpha Cities, San Fransisco is a Beta City, and Washington and Houston are Gamma Cities. Denver and C
170 Post contains links United1 : 3 that I know of, two 763ER and one 744 that is due to re enter service in the next few weeks. UA is just starting to roll it out across the fleet as
171 Pohakuloa : agreed theyd both would be fine as stand alone but if it came down to it from either one, it wouldnt be the worst of ideas for the two to come togeth
172 Baw716 : Well, NW and DL have announced, so it will be interesting to see how quickly CO/UA get their deal put together. I agree with most of the statements he
173 Tcfc424 : First off...my guess is that CO/UA have had the deal sitting on the table, all hammered out, waiting for just this moment. IMHO, they could announce w
174 Beaucaire : Now could Lufthansa be a financial partner of a future combined entity,like Air France in Delta ? Would it make any sense for them to get a stake ?
175 Jamman : From an outsiders view I guess these times will go down in the history books with some of the biggest changes since deregulation of the US airline ind
176 United1 : Yes and even better I can say it as I sip something coco-nutty in Palau... Its possible but so far what I'm hearing is AF won't take a stake in DL at
177 JpetekYXMD80 : Never even thought of that. That should work well with United already being the biggest major to Hawaii. HNL will be quite a place for United, as if
178 UAL777UK : You can be sure that UA have spoken to LH about investing in such a venture. LH and UA are very close and LH has a massive war chest for such a deal.
179 777law : Ah, the inevitable "Air Mike" reference when discussing CO in Asia. While geographically part of Asia (maybe), jumping around Micronesia and the Sout
180 RP TPA : I thought I read something a few months ago about Lufthansa and Air Canada getting involved in a UA-CO merger scenario. Any word on this happening?
181 DIA : There are many benefits from a CO/UA merger...most importantly, it would be easier to fly on a 753, 764, and a 739 for me. Kidding...kind of. Now, an
182 DiscoverCSG : It's Cairns, actually.
183 Nuggetsyl : I think it time to buy some jennie-o stock.
184 Ordpark : Not accurate, UFS was owned by the same guy that owns Trans States, Hulas Kanodia (sp?)
185 DxBrian : I guess that all depends on what you consider to be a significant route system. CMI operates to 20 different cities in Japan from Guam. Admittedly, m
186 Yellowtail : Big Questio is where would this leave these airlines respective LatAm partners.....CM and TA....my bet...they shed TA and keep CM who is in a far str
187 YWG747 : This would not surprise me in the least... Both need to do something to stay competitive with DeltaWest
188 DiscoverCSG : I don't know if you're suggesting the combined UACO would move the IAD service to IAH, or what. It's my understanding, though, that IAD-KWI works bec
189 JCS17 : They get a whole slew of valuable well-established routes and customers on the west coast where outside of LAX, they are a bit player. I'm not saying
190 AirFrnt : Ahhhh. The Texans are out in force, attacking anything that may dare impugn their righful place as center of the American aviation world There is a lo
191 SoBe : I count 8 - NRT FUK NGO KIJ CTS OKJ HIJ SDJ
192 Rbgso : Totally agree. AA can do fine on its own, and it certainly does not need that smoking pile of donkeydung otherwise known as US. Now if US would just
193 Post contains links UniTED : It looks like something may be brewing at United, per this press release from united.com: http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,6862,59149,00.html An e
194 Iloveboeing : Translated: We are now having deep merger discussions with CO.
195 NW748i : Why would they do that? Wouldn't it be better to just have a one-time deal with AA to split NW and go about their separate ways?
196 Post contains links United1 : CO released a very similar statement today as well. http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...apps/vendors/default.aspx?i=PRNEWS What I find find more i
197 AAH732UAL : 3 Things 1) UAL has a sort of embargo placed on them as one of the agreements to come out of bankruptcy. That was, that no new planes where allowed to
198 United1 : No they don't that was going to be a condition that UAL that proposed to the ATSB if they guaranteed the loan. However UA has no such restriction wit
199 FriendlySkies : Why do you keep saying that? It makes no sense, UA already serves all of F9s destinations, and it would just create a monopoly at DEN. If F9 gets bou
200 AAH732UAL : Yeah Qaddafi just paid some money in mid 06 I think.
201 AAH732UAL : Are u kidding? UAL and F9 are a perfect fit. New airplanes for UAL at almost dirt cheap prices. WN WOULD BE THE LAST person to buy up F9. They don't
202 UAL777UK : I think UA have much bigger issues to keep them busy at the moment. I doubt F9 are even on the radar.
203 AAH732UAL : Keep thinking that and don't fall over when that UA F9 merger comes to head.[Edited 2008-04-15 14:13:50]
204 COalways : I totally agree I think the CO brand will Survive as CO is just Known alot for there outstanding service and newer planes PTV on there fleets and int
205 777law : That's right. Cheers.
206 FriendlySkies : This makes it obvious that you have no idea how business, let alone the airline industry, works. -UA doesn't need any new narrowbodies, and they have
207 AAH732UAL : -NOT DEN. Other airports like SNA and places THAT ARE slot. -They would not have to deal w/ the deferred planes and can put that money towards other
208 FriendlySkies : -I don't believe any airport F9 flies to is slot controlled, and even if they were, why does UA need them? -Deal with deferred planes? WTF? That does
209 AAH732UAL : KID READ my post. UAL could invest in different types of planes. -UAL would not fly those same routes as FFT did. They would simply fly their flights
210 Argonaut : Oh no it isn't. Not where I'm from. Of all the US majors, in Europe I'd bet that United is probably the least known. (Well, maybe about equal to US A
211 FriendlySkies : Well that's mature. I'm a month short of 21, you're acting like you're 10, don't call me kid. I did read your post, and it still makes no sense. UAL
212 777fan : You're talking about right now. UA and CO haven't done a thing. Looking ahead, there likely will be some capacity freed up with the ongoing consolida
213 AAH732UAL : Whatever I fell that this F9 thing will happen before any COA thing does. Sorry for calling u kid. I hate when I get talked down to and I am doing it
214 United1 : You could do the German Language trick and mush it all together..."UnitedContinentalAirlinesBusinessClass" all one word
215 JpetekYXMD80 : You calling someone else in the same age bracket KID? That makes something which is already condescending plain stupid. Are you for real?
216 AAH732UAL : Yes and read my response after I said that. So just stay out ok Thanks pal
217 Jacobin777 : ..and who guided UA through at the time one of the worst moments in aviation history? Care to explain? Great brand, but not as large as the United br
218 JpetekYXMD80 : Yes, saw that after I posted. That was good of you.
219 DxBrian : Sorry, I thought I saw that number somewhere, years ago but I have been known to be wrong. Could be it included many charter destinations that they h
220 LAXdude1023 : Do you now? The more I think about it, the more I think the HQ issue is going to resolve by both Houston and Chicago walking away with something. May
221 Boston92 : United and Continental merging would be like the Yankees and Red Sox merging. The fans hate eachother, but in the end, the new airline (team) will be
222 Jacobin777 : ..we'll see who "wins" out... That very well might happen, even though when HQ moves to ORD.. I still think HOU will have a rather large operations..
223 Norcal773 : You wish..... But I gotta agree with you this ONCE.
224 Halls120 : Kudos to Ocracoke - he got it perfectly. Excellent analogy!
225 Gigneil : Buying F9 would be for no reason than to shore market share at Denver. They definitely do not want the A320s, they don't need the facilities. There is
226 Jacobin777 : .... ..
227 COalways : Lets just hope the best for the employees on both sides 4 the New Continental
228 Justloveplanes : I know it is easy for an outsider to say this, but these mega mergers are about surviability. Whatever pain results (and I think there has to be some
229 AirFrnt : Sure there is. Airports hit a critical mass when their own O&D market is so large, that it makes it prohibitive to run connecting markets through the
230 AirFrnt : 1) Adding that many A320s take time,they can't all be delivered overnight. 2) True 3) But you forget WN's increasing prescence at DEN, as well as hea
231 Post contains links STT757 : CO has taken the first step, http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5704259.html
232 FriendlySkies : Competition in the domestic US arena will not change. UA/CO and DL/NW have almost no overlapping routes. But, the main importance of this consolidati
233 KochamLOT : I would hope that this DOES take place and that if a merger occurs, that CO mgmt take over and United be the name of the airline. The Airline would h
234 Ikramerica : I don't see them retiring the Airbus. They'd more likely retire the 737 classics. And UA and CO don't own MDs. 752 will remain on TATL and Latam, but
235 Commavia : Of course domestic competition will change - dramatically. If Delta and Northwest, and United and Continental, are allowed to merge, there are countl
236 N104UA : Everyone knows that the merger will happen it will be just a matter of time until it is announced Why would DCA be a hub? But add DEN and IAD to the
237 MarcoPoloWorld : I didn't mean to enflame anything, but I was merely try to raise the issue to another level (by they way, I spent most of my time in Europe, so am I
238 MarcoPoloWorld : Yep, seems you got it just about right. Thanks for that post.
239 MarcoPoloWorld : Except LA of course,
240 DiscoverCSG : Neither UA nor CO flies any MD planes, narrow- or wide-body. I think those cities do quite well in Canada, myself.
241 Flyb : Continental and United will benefit YYZ and YVR greatly since they are two of the major hubs. I don't see the point of why you wish YYZ was in the US,
242 LAXdude1023 : Yeah dude, Im really sorry about what I said. I definately went too far. It just hit a nerve. Back on topic, Im really looking forward to seeing how
243 UALPUFF : As good as the Continental brand name is it is not as well recognized throughout the world as the United brand name is and that is a fact. It was by
244 MasseyBrown : I couldn't care less about the name, but I would like to see the headquarters in Houston in order to minimize the numbers of UA managers in the succes
245 Ikramerica : I don't hate the newest UA livery, but I wonder if the airline could keep the United name but the CO livery, or an update of the livery. The golden gl
246 Flyiguy : You know whose livery I really liked was the last TWA with the golden world on the skin....Something like that would be awesome to see again.... Just
247 UALPUFF : I too would like to see the UA management team leave. Continental has been regarded as having the stronger management. IMHO UA's management does not
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