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Merger: DL And NW Have Announced The Merger  
User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25283 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/080414/140089.html

IT HAS HAPPENED

-m



[Edited 2008-04-14 17:07:43]

[Edited 2008-04-14 17:11:40]

302 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25303 times:

I guess it was all true! Best of luck to all of those impacted.

User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25241 times:

Congratulations, beautiful wedding!

Well of course I am biased towards this, as I am a SkyTeam frequent flyer, it solidifies the alliance.

I hope it will help them improve their service quality though!

And that Continental, the best US airline, will not leave the Alliance...


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25169 times:

Shocking!

Very very interesting news a good step towards consolidation (although it doesn't benefit Star Alliance directly)



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3144 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25181 times:

I just had this story sent to me just now from the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

Delta, Northwest directors sign off on merger

http://www.startribune.com/business/17672684.html

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Courtesy: Atlanta Journal Constitution

Delta, Northwest Reach Agreement On Merger

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/....html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

[Edited 2008-04-14 17:33:59]

User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25174 times:

What a GREAT, DETAILED article!

And who knew - doesn't appear this will get out of the gate anything like AF/KL - seems to be a classic merger.



Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid. J. Wayne
User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25168 times:

Huh. No hub closures. That's a surprise!


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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25170 times:

So this is what Pan Am would've looked like had it had a good national/regional network?

User currently offlineContinental180 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25172 times:

unfortunatly i guess Continental and United will be announcing something later this week...

=[


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25084 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 7):
Huh. No hub closures. That's a surprise!

They say that now.

I hope not, but in the name of survival, anything goes.

M


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25087 times:

Wow, that was quicker than I expected. Here's to the new DL, I hope everything works out well for my favorite airline, and that everyone involved is happy.

User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25122 times:

http://www.newglobalairline.com/


Wow...


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26810 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25089 times:

Wow, 6 minutes and 14 seconds after release. Not bad turn around into an A.net thread.


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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24993 times:

Will love to see all the new Medallion level guys scrambling to get an upgrade once the FF programs merge! Good Luck!

User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24999 times:

Deal or no deal?

Deal! Let's see how it shakes out. ATL is the HQ - pretty bold statement by Anderson to say they're a "perfect fit" - let's see if it shakes out better than US/HP.


User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25035 times:

Big version: Width: 175 Height: 90 File size: 14kb


Courtesy of Delta.com



Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid. J. Wayne
User currently offlineContinental180 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24900 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 12):
http://www.newglobalairline.com/


Wow...

Wow is right...didnt no about that.


User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24895 times:



Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 10):
They say that now.

I hope not, but in the name of survival, anything goes.

M

I agree. In time Memphis and CVG will be toast but why say that now and get congressmen and senators angrier than they will already pretend to be?

The big problem now will be getting this through the regulatory approval process. Get ready for a bumpy ride (but in the end I think the merger will be allowed).


User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24893 times:

Yuk

Quoting Continental180 (Reply 9):
i guess Continental and United will be announcing something later this week...

I really hope Continental will do it alone, they have a great niche and they are still my #1 carrier in the US. I am glad Skyteam is strengthened, but personally, I will always pay $100 or $200 more to fly CO rather than DLNW.

COUA will suck, UA is too much bigger, their bad attitude to clients, which has really irked me too many times, will be contagious.


User currently offlineVX4Ever From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24891 times:

Hope all goes well cant wait to see the Delta colors on those beautifull airbus's!

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24896 times:

great news, and good luck to DL/NW.....

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 7):
Huh. No hub closures. That's a surprise!

We will see if that remains true in a year or two DTW/CVG/MEM/ATL is alot for one side of the country.

Well US/HP were first out of the starting gate, DL/NW is out next, something tells me I know who's going to be up next.



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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24925 times:

Big version: Width: 773 Height: 137 File size: 38kb



Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid. J. Wayne
User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24808 times:

When is UA/CO announcing their merger??

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24806 times:

Bloomberg Asia, simulcast on Bloomberg USA, says that the Northwest name will be ditched.

Bloomberg Live.

Jim Eckes of Indoswiss Aviation going to be commenting live on air in 13 minutes.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24801 times:



Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 7):
Huh. No hub closures. That's a surprise!

For now. I would expect hubs to be closed in the next few years.

Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 6):
What a GREAT, DETAILED article!

It's a press release by the companies. It's not an article.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
25 Post contains links Allstarflyer : Other links to the story . . . . http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24116154/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351289,00.html ABCnews, CBSnews and CNN don
26 MoMan : Great. Let's hope they don't ditch the 747s or DC-9. I'll begin the speculation about the MD-88 and MD-90 fleet. Anyone think Delta is still wanting t
27 CcrlR : About time. Was watitng for good news from the two when I came home today. Good luck to them. Now we have coverage from ATL, MSP and DTW to worldwide.
28 Continental180 : i agree with you 110%..i fly continental sometimes 10-12 times a year out of newark...it isnt going to be the same if they merger continental is a be
29 Breaker1011 : Gosh, sorry about that.
30 Gatorguy : Good luck DL/NW. I am wondering how long before CO and UA make any kind of statements? Loved CO by itself, however times are what they are.
31 ERJ170 : With the DL team in the helm.. does this mean the Boeing un-official gentleman's deal will get even sweeter? And does anyone think we will see new 757
32 Post contains links Allstarflyer : And now available via CNN (w/their own take). Goodbye golden share - CO must be happy.
33 Jacobin777 : ..it was already stated on CNBC that CO/UA have laid "significant groundwork" for a merger....its going to happen sooner that rather later..
34 Post contains images Cedarjet : Sad news for the Northwest Airlines history, which has always been so distinctive and unique, and now has an end. Here's to a great name in aviation.
35 Northwestair : I left NWA and went to work for CO last year. I wander what is going to happen to all of us Junior People at CO. Those of us that started our careers
36 KingAir200 : They say us frontline NWA folks will get to keep our jobs. We'll see how that one works out... Peace NWA, 1926-2008.
37 CatIII : They can't compete. The sheer size of Delta forces them to merge just to increase their scale.
38 Post contains links Av8rDAL : http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/deltamemo.pdf AJC.com has posted the internal Memo to Delta employees. In PDF Format. Today we announced that Delta and
39 Mnevans : Wow! This is going to be interesting. Good for both companies, can't wait to see what transpires from here....
40 BNinMSY : They say no hub closures as they are Northwest and Delta now. But wait til it's just Delta 3 years down the road. Memphis, Cinnicinati are toast for s
41 Iloveboeing : Yeah. They should eliminate CVG and MEM because they are redundant to DTW and ATL, respectively. Plus, the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area might li
42 Continental180 : like many people said, not trying to sound weird or anything, but size doesnt always matter.... if you have a stronger foundation, and a stronger man
43 Gigneil : Not closing CVG and MEM is stupid. NS
44 A318 : What is going to happen to Compass Airlines?
45 Stburke : Great news, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Now for a plethora of hoops to jump through to get it done. Will we see UA/CO jump on the bandwago
46 FriendlySkies : Most of that attitude is due to ill relations between employees and mgt at UAL. Put in CO's excellent management, and things will change for the bett
47 Post contains links Allstarflyer : ABC and CBS finally drags their respective butts into the game (and at least ABC put their own story on it).
48 Northwestair : It's pretty hard to get a row boat across the Atlantic Ocean !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
49 Gjsint172 : All I can say is Holy $41T. I was on a flight from TPA to ATL this morning that had Dutch flight attendants. I thought it odd as I've never heard them
50 DocLightning : So... ...when HP and US merged, US changed its corporate image. I imagine DL will have to do the same. Even though they *just* changed their corporate
51 N5014K : I don't understand this stuff very well, so please take it easy.... It seems to me that if X million DL passengers connect through CVG every year, th
52 CatIII : You may be right, but I think it's going to be terribly tough for CO.
53 Allstarflyer : Bid war, IMO. Compass, Mesaba, Pinnacle and you name it among other regionals are about to see some new contracts for regional flying available, IMO.
54 Gigneil : ...and everyone I know that works for UA is thrilled with the prospect of having CO management take over. NS
55 Post contains images Cedarjet : But the good news is we get this:
56 Ikramerica : That's why it's so detailed (and biased in the positive, BTW).
57 Continental180 : LOL i dont think so...continental has turned their airline around since the 90's....and Larry has been a major part in it.. Yeah, it may be tough, bu
58 Gatorguy : Here's hoping you are correct. I am partial to CO, however the landscape in commercial air has changed dramatically and CO/UA has to happen in order
59 Thomasphoto60 : Indeed it is very sad news. Despite growing up in a Braniff family, Northwest Orient gave me my first and only airline job in the summer of 1978 as a
60 Post contains links and images FriendlySkies : More like this: Modified Airliner Photos:Design © JetaboutTemplate © Jetabout
61 PNQIAD : Already received an email from NW WorldPerks program announcing the merger - while no more info. that already mentioned in the thread - shows how prep
62 Pilotboi : Congrats to DL! Let's party! I can't believe how much work they've put in to that website. And keeping it secret for this long?! They had to pay the g
63 Post contains links KELPkid : Want to see a sham in action? Go to http://www.newglobalairline.com/states/, amd choose a state of your choice. The page title will be "X (insert stat
64 Burnsie28 : Its going to be ugly for the NW employees they are going to get screwed.
65 Gigneil : No chance... they knew this would likely happen. NS
66 CIDflyer : Wow finally it has happened! Exciting times ahead for sure. I'm a little biased as a majority of my miles are through Northwest (though as of late I h
67 CatIII : Here is the entire memo, as posted on AJC.com: Internal Memorandum Date: April 14, 2008 To: All U. S. – Based Delta Employees From: Richard Anderson
68 B777ER : Well, let the consolidation begin. This merger is the trip wire that many have been waiting for years to happen. CO/UA I imagine will announce their m
69 Etops1 : i just heard from a reputable source that ual and continental will announce a hook up at midnight and usair and amr do not know what to do yet so stay
70 1337Delta764 : Please let them keep the 767-400ERs ... please let them keep the 767-400ERs
71 Denver11 : I just recieved this email from Northwest, too be honest I was hoping it wouldn't happen, oh well.. ...... As a valued Northwest Airlines customer and
72 Post contains links CatIII : From the Star-Tribune: The Northwest pilots union said Tuesday night that it officially opposes the merger. http://www.startribune.com/projects/....ht
73 Breaker1011 : That's amazing - the DL/NW merger has achieved time-acceleration across the time-space contunium. It must be a winner. Laughing with you - it's the ar
74 Acey559 : I LOVE that airplane, it's absolutely gorgeous and is very comfortable.
75 CuriousFlyer : That would be really quick... would CO have time to buy the golden share back in 4 hours? Hmmmm, have they not had 1 year to prepare for this?
76 Post contains links Allstarflyer : Delta has the story on their website - NW doesn't on theirs (or is it DL's now, too?). I guess NW is still crafting their statement for their own site
77 Breaker1011 : I heard CO's chief will be using his PayPal account to get the $1 to NW's account.
78 Cadet57 : Yes! The first rumor of the thread!
79 1337Delta764 : Hopefully Delta keeps them. I mean, it would really make sense to keep them to maintain a massive international fleet. It was previously reported tha
80 777fan : Holy s--t, they were ready. Congrats - the website was a phenomenol idea. An article in the Chicago Tribune from earlier today hinted at what's to co
81 Bok269 : Notice the widget next to the URL in the address bar. May this work out well for the employees and customers of NW, DL, and who ever is next in the m
82 Allstarflyer : Nice catch. Note the part that says "No hub closures"
83 UAL727NE : WOW!!! this is exciting! What a HUGE Airline now. Now OMA will have a alot more big planes there now...at least I hope so. I also woulnd mind UA/CO me
84 B777ER : BS and I mean, MEGA-BS on this rumor.
85 CatIII : There will be no announcements from UA or CO tonight, other then an announcement from UA that they generally support consolidation.
86 ShakeZulaNJ : I think it's interesting how they refer to the combined airline as a flag carrier.
87 FriendlySkies : I remember an article a few weeks ago that said in a UA-CO deal, Tilton would be the chairman of the combined carrier, while Kellener would be the CE
88 Iloveboeing : Oh I hope so! It would help make them even more competitive with the likes of B6, F9, and VX. There's also opportunities for European expansion! As o
89 Dtwclipper : EMail from NW Worldperks, nothing new, but they are getting an A for effort: Your Platinum Elite WorldPerks # is 3XXXXXXXXXX Dear Z, As a valued North
90 Baw2198 : So how long will it be before DL gets rid of the small airbii in favor of the DC 9's since they already share a lot in common with the MD-88's ?
91 Post contains links N104UA : I agree with that Is the source on the UA or CO board? NW is NWA Merger Letter
92 C010T3 : That's so great! I really like Delta and wish them and NW employees the best of luck. As a Star Alliance passenger, I'm really cheering for the reacti
93 ERJ170 : Raleigh/Durham current service and my proposed impact: Atlanta (10x daily --> 10x daily) MAINLINE Boston (3x daily --> 3x daily) REGIONAL Cancun (0x w
94 ChrisNH : I guess with the whole domestic airline industry in chaos, disarray, and turmoil, people within the two companies 'got religion' real fast and decided
95 Nwafan20 : Excuse me as I go crawl into a hole and die.... My least favorite airline (DL) merging with my favorite airline (NW) Someone upstairs must not like me
96 CatIII : Will they still serve Biscoff cookies? What about Sun Chips? Will the inflight magazine still be called Sky? What about the overhead lights, will the
97 NW748i : You won't be dissappointed, they'll follow up with all the bad news pretty soon. I hope not. I think both UA, and CO are exceptional airlines standal
98 Bobprobert95 : CVG is screwed! (Although because of high prices w/DL I fly US out of DAY most of the time.) Although, it would be a great to get a 747 to fly direct
99 FriendlySkies : They'll still be red...just with a little blue mixed in.
100 N104UA : Who knows? We still have no official anouncement about the name yet.
101 Cadet57 : . The merger was announced an hour ago and you are already wondering if they will add IFE to the planes? wow.
102 Breaker1011 : How much more official are we looking for? The name is Delta according to the press releases.
103 CatIII : Let's look at this for what this merger really is: two boards of directors who are creditor boards representing hedge funds, who want an initial stoc
104 777fan : Makes perfect sense since Tilton is the cash hatchet and Kellner the airline guru. 777fan
105 B727fan : Are DL & NW going to get a new paint scheme? DL keep changing their colors! most recently they ran out creative thinking and added a citgo looking log
106 Flighty : I heard roughly the same.
107 Nuggetsyl : lol that about sums it up. Forget will the government allow it or if people will lose there jobs.
108 Gigneil : I think if you read the press release, you will understand. Please tell me that's a joke. Yes, that is their job. That being said, I think you're wro
109 Falcon84 : Nothing's "official" till the U.S. government DOJ, DOT, and whoever the hell else gets involved in it says it's official. But I think, given the state
110 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...now that would be quite interesting...what's going to be more interesting is where the HQ would be..I hope it will be in Chicago...though I know a
111 KingAir200 : No kidding. I've got friends and relatives (myself included) wondering if they'll be employed this time next year and people here are asking about se
112 N104UA : Agreed the NWA paint job is better than the DL
113 Post contains links NW748i : This is meaning last week Tuesday then? Anyhoot, add the NW machinists to the list: http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Stor...DA-9965-28F85CCAF5CC%7d&si
114 CatIII : You're telling me that the hedge funds that are represented on the board don't care about getting their cash back and then bailing?
115 Post contains images VX4Ever : Cant wait to fly on this baby!
116 Iloveboeing : Will the 'new' DL come out with a new livery? I hope they do!
117 Gigneil : The hedge funds are not directly involved. All they see is dollars and cents, and that is their job. Steenland and Anderson are, however, directly in
118 DocLightning : Now the A319 is many things. However, it is not beautiful. In fact, it can't even fly; it's just so ugly that the ground repels it.
119 Breaker1011 : " target=_blank>http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Stor...d=nbs No doubt each of NW's unions will come out to oppose the deal. They realize that in each
120 777fan : I'm with you...Chicago is my kind of town. (actually, my hometown, too) You also asserted LAX should be a 'focus city' for a UA-CO carrier (in the ot
121 DiscoverCSG : That would be the Wicked Witch of the West. The Witch of the East is crushed by the falling house before she can say a word. Ah, yes. JFK needs anoth
122 Post contains links and images KPWM : or this. Modified Airliner Photos:Design © Joe PerezTemplate © Dan Vincent Anyway, It will be interesting to see what UA,CO,US, and AA do now.
123 NW748i : Just like a lovely cake... with little shards of glass mixed in. Yum!
124 Falcon84 : It could be a lot more than that. It'll be a hub presence, with the draw being Asia.
125 Iloveboeing : Well, serving Europe with 757s from DTW would be limited by the 752s range. JFK would be the practical launching point (range-wise), as it would be m
126 Bongo : AA: no longer the biggest airline in the World... sounds weird
127 787seattle : Wonderful News! Congrats to everybody in the new DL/NW workforce! I wonder if NW and DL will do that 2 livery on one plane thing (i think NW and KLM d
128 CatIII : When did I say that? I never said they were doing a bad job. But the nature of being a Chief Executive Officer is that you are just that: there to ex
129 CV880 : Maybe they can experiment with a "hybrid" paint scheme on a needed link between JFK & NRT
130 Falcon84 : DL/NW won't be the biggest for long, from the sounds of things.
131 DeltAirlines : Great to see this news. As someone that's most likely going to make Platinum Medallion this year (will have about 48,000 MQMs by the end of May), I ca
132 DL Widget Head : While I don't think it will be too long before CO and UA announce, it's hardly likely that they would do so without each company's board voting on su
133 Post contains links and images KPWM : Yes, NW and KLM did it on this DC-10. There may have been others too, but I'm not sure. View Large View MediumPhoto © Prince Aviation Images Tha
134 Gigneil : I suggest you go take a look at who comprises the board of a major public company these days, including these two. NS
135 Jacobin777 : Lol!....I actually prefer the look of the A319 over the A320... ...it still looks beter in NW colours.. ..though I live in the Bay Area, Chi'town is
136 Spacecadet : Keeping the name Delta is going to hurt their Japanese business. Northwest is a trusted name and brand identity is important there. No self-respecting
137 CatIII : And I suggest you go back and look at the Creditors Committee that appointed the board. Your point is?
138 Gigneil : And I would say that matters not at all. The Tokyo hub has been BARELY profitable for them. NS
139 Buck3y3nut : That modified image of the DL A330 looks gorgeous Also I'm glad that my worldperk miles won't vanish into thin air!!!
140 Gjsint172 : Actually that would be intentional. East vs West. As the NorthWest is just a wrong combination. East is dead in my oppinion. If Delta-Northwest preva
141 Post contains links and images N104UA : It was a DC10 View Large View MediumPhoto © Prince Aviation Images View Large View MediumPhoto © Yoshiaki Hoshina
142 Gigneil : Those are independent directors governed by US corporate governance practices. The independent directors are required by law to have no allegiance to
143 FRAspotter : As well as their 744s.... Agreed! NW IMO had the best paint job of all the US Carriers... I really wish it were the other way with NW getting to keep
144 ABQopsHP : I guess Im one of the few that have reservations about this merger. I have a bad feeling about the whole thing. I wish both employee groups well. JD
145 CatIII : Correct. However, the Creditors Committee that appointed them did so after interviewing them and determining their predispositions to a number of ite
146 CatIII : You're not alone...
147 BOStonsox : AF/KL is already bigger. So right now CVG and MEM are staying but I wonder for how long. This will be good news for my friend from CVG who has had to
148 CatIII : What's preventing them from doing so now? Last time I checked, Air Tran was an LCC that was in a fortress hub (ATL).
149 Gigneil : Still, to say that any rational human being doesn't care about any of the people that work for them or the customers they serve is just crazy. My job
150 Ctbarnes : Good God, haven't employees and the traveling public suffered enough? Charles, SJ
151 YWG747 : Northwest! You will be missed!
152 1337Delta764 : So, I guess the 767-400ERs are most likely safe. Maybe Delta will accelerate the domestic to international conversions. So, on the domestic side, wha
153 787seattle : Thanks for finding these. I must have just looked over them when I was searching for both pictures.
155 AA757200 : I'm with you guys. This is going to be a mess. But hey, lets all create pictures of what the repainted airplanes are going to look like. That address
156 CatIII : I said: I'm sorry, I just don't agree with you. The hedge funds do not care about about the DL employee, the NW employee, or the company. I'm glad yo
157 AT : I don't understand one thing-- if the NWA pilots opposed the merger, how is it expected to go ahead? Who will fly the planes that come from NW? Except
158 Steeler83 : Nah, I think her last words were probably, "Wow, it sure got dark all of a s--," or "What the &%$#@?!!!" Or no, how about this: "Wow, these new ruby-
159 CatIII : **CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT**: Maybe they're banking on that. The NW pilots balk, DL mgmt says ok, and grounds all fleet types not common to DL. Voila,
160 DTW757 : Especially sad for those of use who have grown up and lived near a Northwest hub city such as DTW. I took my very first jet flight on a Northwest Ori
161 Tsaord : When its approved by the courts or whatever I hope it works out. But the fruits of this won't be seen for years. Livery changes, union work, NWA would
162 Iloveboeing : Some people have been saying that since we have DL/NW and UA/CO, that AA/US will go together. An AA/US combination would be interesting (but there'd
163 NW748i : Talk about "on a wing and a prayer." I think I need a drink or two...
164 Gigneil : I maintain that the independent members of these boards are not directly beholden to any hedge funds, and the laws of the state of New York expressly
165 DL Widget Head : According to what I've read, DL management fully expects to have an agreement with the NW pilots BEFORE the deal is consummated.[Edited 2008-04-14 18
166 Hondah35 : Wow, you're thinking like a businessperson, not an airline executive. Yes, they're going to cut MEM and CVG, and those airports will just wither away
167 ABQopsHP : One of the biggest reasons I left CO in 1989 was because of the bad decision to merge with 2 other carriers with different cultures 2 years before. Th
168 Jetdeltamsy : Ohhhhh.. you betcha. Delta specifically promised its employees seniority protection in any merger..whether they were on top of bottom. If things prog
169 Tranceport : This news makes me a bit sad. Although for years Delta was my carrier of choice over Northwest, I grew up around the Memphis area and cut my teeth on
170 FlyingDoctorWu : best part of this merger: Delta gets access to Northwest's 787s (if Boeing gets its act together) 18 firm orders but the 50 options will go a long way
171 PSU.DTW.SCE : Today may be the day I quit Airliners.net for good.
172 SLCUT2777 : Don't bet on it for long. I look at that one as a please the politicians P.R. stunt more than anything. Look for a gradual migration of flights from
173 EASTERN747 : This is great news.....a D+ airline merges with a C+ airline...results a C airline at higher prices.... we are going back to pre-de-regulation...guess
174 HNL-Jack : Hawaii is about to take another hit. First Aloha, then ATA and now this merger. I would expect a further reduction in the number of seats to the islan
175 Tsaord : Well now NW pilots and ramps will try to fight the merger lol. I wonder how this will play out!
176 Gigneil : They did no such thing is my guess. They promised that they would get fair seniority integration and no nonsense like nw employees getting the top 10
177 Mainliner : Surprise, surprise. If anyone thinks the US/HP merger is ugly, this will blow it out of the water!
178 BOStonsox : I thought about it before I posted, however with both FL and DL in ATL there it is hard for anyone else to enter. B6 tried but failed, although they
179 Gigneil : B6 didn't fail in ATL. They just didn't really try. NS
180 STT757 : Larry Kellner will be the CEO of the combined CO/UAL, Tilton (if he stays on) would be a board member.
181 Gjsint172 : I assume from your sign-in name that the 757 is your favorite airplane. Mine too. The kicker is I've flown North Central Airlines (DC-9), Republic (D
182 StuckInCA : Good luck to all of the employees. Despite a rather large amount of travel in my life, I've managed to avoid both of these airlines (living on the wes
183 CatIII : No, he said "seniority protection"...
184 Allstarflyer : Why? Personally, about the livery, I hope it's among the last things with which they deal - UA spent money on their new livery when just out of BK -
185 FlyingDoctorWu : quick question- there had been talk of a $150 million AF/KL investement... how did that work out.... I will miss EQMs on DL, NW, AS, CO..... (I assume
186 CatIII : Ok, but you said: , implying that no LCC's were in ATL. Also, if the B6, WN, et al business model is so successful, then they should have no fear of
187 Lufthansa : They might do this...but then again it would make sense to go All A330 for this one. I think there is a far bigger question now. That is what interna
188 Tommy767 : Well this is sure interesting. Good luck to DL/NW merger. Com'on It won't be THAT bad. CO has a weak domestic network in the western United States and
189 Cjuniel : Although the market conditions are RADICALLY different 21 years later, Delta can lay claim to what was arguably the best merger in the post-deregulati
190 N867BX : Of course the most important question: when will they retire the DC9? will we see it in Delta colors again?
191 Chgoflyer : Do they think anyone really cares what they have to say?
192 Gigneil : And what, precisely, does that mean? NS
193 Post contains links Coronado : They spent some time preparing benefits sheets for each state of the USA in the www.newglobalairline.com web site. Very politically savvy. Very impres
194 Post contains links FlyingDoctorWu : except for Delaware http://newglobalairline.com/states/delaware/ go to the maps page.. you can actually click on delaware and then the 404 not found
195 RyeFly : I predict a counter offer for Northwest from US Airways in the range of $4 Billion. This merger isn't going to sail by unnoticed by the competition. I
196 CatIII : You'd have to ask Anderson, but the question in the post was whether he said seniority protection or not.
197 IliriBDL : I think my next question could have its own thread but here it goes anyways. Do you think that the new airline DL/NW, or shall we say the new Delta, a
198 BOStonsox : Well, in the case of CVG and MEM there is little O&D to work with. It's one thing to have room to compete or to be able to filter travellers through
199 Treebeard787 : Wow, I am kind of sad to see NW go, I have a lot of fond memories about NW and my trips with them. Best of luck to both airlines. On a side note, I gu
200 N104UA : No if is run by DL they stay buying USA and i don't see that changing unless CO/UA buy some, but i see DL/NW buying 748i and then only if UA/CO buys
201 F9Animal : Now let me try to be the first to ask...................... When will DL retire the DC-9? ROFL!!!!!!! Do you think DL will add IFE to the DC-9? ROFL!!
202 Ilovenz : I realize I made a reputation for myself by griping about this issue about a year ago, but would anyone be willing to speculate what this may mean for
203 Flyingbronco05 : This is never going to work. They only operate the 757's together. Delta has the 767-400 and 777 while NWA has the 747's and A330's. There are going t
204 Jetlanta : I have a simple question for everyone who is opposed to this deal straight out of the box... How would you suggest the U.S. airline industry move into
205 N104UA : The day the DOT and DOJ approve the merger No see above
206 Ilovenz : I'm sorry, please ignore my question!!!! I somehow missed the other thread relating to this very issue! SORRY!
207 Gigneil : I don't get it. What is the problem? NS
208 Jetlanta : And where do you supposed US will come up with $4B plus the break-up fee that the agreement certainly contains?
209 Post contains links FlyingDoctorWu : you arent the first... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3936958/
210 PPVRA : Northwest is being retired before the DC-9s!
211 Breaker1011 : US' position has changed quite a bit since the failed bid, as has the balance sheets of it's prior financial supporters. I doubt there's alot of inte
212 SLCUT2777 : I don't see Parker and his demons being able to back up such an offer given how LCC stock has tanked since he lost the bid for DL.
213 RyeFly : The same place they were able to get $10.2 Billion they offered Delta in January.
214 Cjuniel : Couldnt have said it better myself Jetlanta. I am trying to understand this point as well. Please elaborate.
215 Jetlanta : Oh lord. January of what year?
216 RJ777 : Their gates are already next to each other, so there won't be any problem there. I don't know about their ticket counters. Aircraft Coming into OMA f
217 FXRA : if this passes the regulators, if this gets through the imminent Congressional hearings, if the brains behind the merger are as smart as we hope they
218 Gigneil : Nah. The congressional hearings are a pain in the ass, but Congress has no authority to intervene in private industry. They could pass a law that say
219 N104UA : That would be AMAZING
220 RyeFly : January 2007
221 SQ452 : Fleet commonality issues are going to be...interesting to say the least. The 757 is the only common aircraft, my prediction is going to be the followi
222 CatIII : A very fair point. I think, from my standpoint, I am not entirely sure what this deal really gets Delta. If the whole idea is to reduce capacity so y
223 PPVRA : According to airfleets both airlines have a similar number of 737NGs and A320s, at about 70 each. Curious to see if they will change anything. . .
224 Cjuniel : One question.....are you high?
225 Gigneil : Yeah, but NW has almost 57 A319s. NS
226 BlueElephant : Guys and Gals...first thing is...I'm shocked.... Second thing is...I'm still shocked.... But here's my question. with NW having their relations with K
227 PPVRA : I'd imagine that any efficiencies realized by the combination of the fleets will mean one less MD-80 and so on. . but yeah, they should stay a while
228 Gigneil : That would be literally impossible in today's economic environment. The amount of time it takes to organically grow that large of a base is years, an
229 ExFATboy : Actually, wouldn't be a bit surprised to see the sale of the YX stake required by DOJ to get the merger approved, as a bone to throw to critics of DO
230 CatIII : Exactly. However, Congress can pressure the DOJ and DOT. And there also are some legislative avenues they can go down. For example, I heard Oberstar
231 BAW2198 : I don't see DL keeping the airbus's at all. They have nothing in common with their fleet. The 9's I have a feeling are staying around for quite a bit
232 Gigneil : Not legally. NS
233 UAL727NE : Maybe some new 737NG's or cut some RJ's and a 737-800 or nore airbus's!!
234 Post contains images PPVRA : Yeah, I thought the ~70 number included all A32X family. My bad. What do you think will happen? Slowly eliminate the MD80s, then order 737/320 replac
235 Hondah35 : Ummm.....price the fares so that a small profit is made? If everyone did this, the real posers with an inadequate cost structure would be revealed im
236 Klkla : Not likely, at least for now. NW & DL aleady have 787's & 777-200LR's on order. Their route networks do not have that much direct overlap so the imme
237 FXRA : Politics alert: And since when did the Constitutionality of something deter the current administration for any actions? Yes, true that Congress can't
238 IliriBDL : Thanks for the answer Klkla.
239 CatIII : Are you? Did DL have the opportunity to execute their plan as a stand alone? I don't know about that. They still retain the rights from their previou
240 Gigneil : The administration and Congress are different. The Supreme Court can only judge the constitutionality of laws, they can't judge right or wrong and th
241 CatIII : Yeah, cause that NEVER happens...
242 Aaron747 : One of the more ridiculous posts in this thread. Of all the US airlines, Northwest has possibly the worst reputation in Japan. As far as brand-consci
243 ExFATboy : There's too many of them to replace anytime soon, and at least on the narrowbody side, PPVRA has it, I think - they'll operate A319/320 and 737s (and
244 SQ452 : That would be nice... I really don't see DL ditching the A330's given that they have somewhat of a "shortage" of 767/777 aircraft for the internation
245 NW748i : I love it--a benefit/cost analysis in which they didn't bother to reveal the costs... I could go for that, but the route structure wouldn't be terrib
246 Baw2198 : True. The 330 would definetly help out with capacity issues/ fill ins for mtc issues/ opening new markets. The narrowbody market is just so saturated
247 Gigneil : They don't have a choice. There is no way to get rid of them. I know I know. But really, this can't be stopped. NS
248 CAP2008 : Giggity, Giggity, Giggity!!!! So many new cities to nonrev to!!!!! But seriously, this is going to seem so weird, living in a world without Northwest
249 Lufthansa : That's not entirely true. They serve, internationally many of the same cities, just via different hubs. It's here that one can intergrate. For Exampl
250 RwSEA : Well, I've had the chance to fly NW internationally several times in the last few years and I really enjoyed their service. I hope that DL will keep t
251 Cjuniel : I was specifically referring to your comment about fuel prices NOT being so out of control. I agree with you 100% that Delta had a great standalone p
252 NW748i : Methinks your hopes are about to be dashed upon the rocks. Delta is all ego and that's what shall happen--plundering and pillaging.
253 Gigneil : What does artificially inflated mean? Its a huge hub that works well because it is so huge. Artificially inflated would mean that there is no reason f
254 Breaker1011 : Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 137): Keeping the name Delta is going to hurt their Japanese business. Northwest is a trusted name and brand identity is imp
255 Cjuniel : A ridiculous routing that is flying RECORD amounts of cargo, just weeks after the first flight. Sounds ridiculous to me.
256 CatIII : Stranger things have happened in the Congress, but you're probably right.
257 CatIII : Don't waste your time. His disdain for ATL, DL, and any international routes out of ATL is well known. Go search some of the threads when the most re
258 Gigneil : Arrguably tho, now that they will have literally twice as many useful hubs and one in Detroit that has far better demographics and cargo access, I can
259 RwSEA : Too bad the recently awarded routes were for pax service, not cargo service. And cargo doesn't really mind if it has to go through ATL to get to BOS
260 Jetlanta : And what year is it now? I'd argue that your last sentence undercuts the rest of your post. Fuel prices are absolutely out of control, and there is n
261 Breaker1011 : Ok - 260 replies now in 2.5 hours - where in the world are my friends WorldTraveler and DeltaL1011man??? Something is just missing without their input
262 MCOflyer : Well I hope all gets through ok. Heck the AW/US merger was sorta messy. I hope this is not any worse. Hunter
263 Cjuniel : I am familiar with the route authorities. GET OVER IT ALREADY. Delta, nor the DOT care what you think. There is no need to do a search on your post,
264 Post contains links and images LHboyatDTW : Good to see a more enhanced airline though personally I would have preferred an AF/KL style merger It's going to feel really weird realizing the days
265 Jetlanta : Actually, I think you will be pleased. SEA will likely be a growth market for Delta. Yeah, great post man. Really adds a lot to the discussion. Where
266 N104UA : If the mods do not lock this and start a new one we could hit 1000 with in 24 hours
267 Gigneil : They were for combination service and required same. NS
268 C010T3 : I see that too. SEA will silently grow as an Asian gateway for Delta and, yes, in detriment of other Delta hubs.
269 RwSEA : You're the one throwing the , not me. I think you need to relax. And if you're gonna insult me and categorize me as one of your 'haters', then read a
270 Lightsaber : This is one of the *few* mergers that make sense to me. Good luck to DL/NW employees! As many others already have noted, I'll believe it when I see th
271 NW748i : Oh, "real" solutions? I suppose the ONLY "real" solution is Delta? I think not. NW/US does not make a formidable airline? US/CO? AS/CO? They all have
272 UnattendedBag : I have GOT to buy some stock in the companies that paint aircraft!!
273 Breaker1011 : Well, here's a few questions I'll be looking to the press conference tomorrow to address... What $$ investment, if any still, will AF/KL be making giv
274 SLCUT2777 : SEA has long needed a U.S. flag carrier to make it more of the Asian gateway that it could be. Being in the shadow of YVR, many foreign flag (mostly
275 Hondah35 : I said nothing about cost plus pricing....I said pricing fares where a small profit can be made for the airline as a whole. I know no airline "does i
276 EA772LR : This is great news. It seems almost surreal tho, as NW and DL have been separate powerhouse airlines for years and years, much longer than I've been a
277 Jetlanta : See, this is EXACTLY the point. Delta has continued to expand in ATL and JFK because they are their only realistic platforms for growth. But both are
278 Antoniemey : DL is a big one, but I wouldn't buy stock in an airline if I founded it.
279 Gigneil : Yeah, right now is the wrong time to go to the capital markets for ANYTHING. I could try to get a loan for $5 to close a contract I'd signed for a $1b
280 CuriousFlyer : Midnight has passed... or maybe Pacific time?
281 Breaker1011 : Well, I give history a try: Delta + Western increased Delta's market share..alot Delta + Northeast increased Delta's market share...alot Delta + PanA
282 RJ777 : Are you sure we're talking about Delta and not US Airways?
283 Jetlanta : If the airline business was like every other business, consolidation and restructuring would have happened years ago. I'm not going to bother with th
284 Breaker1011 : You know, I actually thought that rumor might have some credibility to it. Surely the minute the market opens, UAUA shares are going to skyrocket and
285 Hondah35 : I'll grant you some individual successes, although very few over the long term (and quite a few miserable failures), but the story for going on 30 ye
286 Lono : From the AJC article.... not gonna happen... "Notably absent from the agreement was Air France-KLM, an alliance partners with both carriers that unti
287 BOStonsox : Let's do it! We're almost to 300, why stop now? So how long will it take before the DOT approves it? Can they get it done before the next election?
288 Jetlanta : Take slots from who? A DL/NW combination with the highest legacy margins in the industry, $7B in liquidity, and prime gate holdings at the most conge
289 Gigneil : Technically, they could do it tomorrow. NS
290 Breaker1011 : If you could list the mergers that have NOT increased market share in the past 20 years, and I'll finish the list of the one's that have, and then le
291 Lono : I wonder if the DOJ / DOT will require DL/NW to give up some slots...???? or flights...???? frequencies..???
292 Breaker1011 : From the standpoint of slot-controlled airports, which to me is the only thing that DOJ/DOT would be interested in as far as this deal goes, I think
293 Jacobin777 : ..its called "divestiture"....
294 FXRA : I would int he past have agreed with you, and there is potential down the road for this scenario to come to fruition. But, thi is the first time I ca
295 Gigneil : But divestiture implies that some sort of competition does not exist. Even if they keep every single slot and flight and route, they will still not be
296 Breaker1011 : Incredibly well stated, nice job FXRA!
297 Manny : Only 296 posts...disappointing! On a serious note, while its going to be good for US aviation as a business, it will horrible for the traveling public
298 Breaker1011 : The irony is - without higher fares, you are certain to get the same lousy service. We are getting what we pay for. You can't spend more on service w
299 Flighty : Sure it might. MEM is right on top of ATL. It is strongly suspicious that NW and DL want to merge to raise prices on the public in that region. Ditto
300 Gigneil : Where do they compete that this merger will alleviate all that pain? NS
301 Breaker1011 : What competition is this merger getting rid-of? Competition with each other (NW vs. DL), sure. But name a city served from either CVG or MEM that is
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