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Merger: How The DL/NW Terminal Will Effect Your Airport..  
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11888 times:

So I was think, after this merger, San Francisco will have a fantastic gate situation. Both airlines operate from the C concourse in terminal 1. Only 1 gate is leased by Frontier, all other are DL and NW.

How do you see it playing out at your airport?

ASSFO


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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11873 times:

I hope it means more Euro flights from BDL. (other than the AMS one)

I actually wouldn't mind if they switched that to FRA, and and London as well.



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User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11875 times:

SEA.
NW at South Satellite, Delta at the A gates
Delta plans on closing there CRC there
NW is expanding the hours of the WC there

I see consolidated flying in the South Sattelite
Has to be there because of the customs facilities for NWs AMS, LHR, and NRT flights

Hopefully, god willing, a renovation-> maybe even an expansion...


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11829 times:

GSO:
NW operates out of Gates 20 and 22. DL operates out of 29, 31, 32 and 34. Gates 21, 23, 25, 27 (ex-SkyBus) and 28 (vacant) are all open. Pretty easy to consolidate.

MHT:
DL operates out of Gate 7. NW operates out of Gates 3 and 4. NW doesn't really need 2 gates as it is, so DL will most likely just move into Gates 3 and 4, with Gate 7 becoming vacant.

BOS:
Plenty of room on the satellite right now for a lot of NW flights. No gate can hold the A330 though to my knowledge without blocking another gate, which could become an issue (unless they change the A330 to a 767 which is a possibility).


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11800 times:

MCO:

Delta uses Airside 4 which was built in the early 80's and is very nice. Northwest uses Airside 3 which is crap and needs to be rebuilt. It should be very interesting. Delta is not nearly as big at MCO as the were several years ago.

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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11799 times:

BOS:
Not sure if there is enough room for both NW/Delta at A with CO moved there. NW Airlink(CRJ/E175) could probably use A1-A3 or A9-A12(the ramp gates). NW mainline could probably use the satillite gates. Not sure if the A330s would fit in A though.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11798 times:

BOS is going to be interesting. DL built the brand new terminal A and they share it with CO. NW is in terminal E (the international terminal) but were moving to Terminal C. I'm thinking that CO will be moved to Terminal C where NW was supposed to go and NW will move to Terminal A. Since UA is in Terminal C already, it will make things easier if both CO and UA merge. So Terminal A will be dominated by a combined DL/NW and Terminal C will have a combined CO/UA. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.


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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6776 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11782 times:

RDU: No Changes. DL moving to Terminal 2 in July/August.. but NW can move too.. gates are CUTE

ORF: DL and NW in same terminal. DL in B21, 23, B24 while NW in B27, B30.. They are close enough to maintain all 5 gates...Probably maintain all 5 gates..

EWN: DL only airline so no change



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11783 times:



Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 4):
Delta uses Airside 4 which was built in the early 80's and is very nice.

It was built in the early 1990s.


As for my airport,

EWR:

Both DL and NWA occupy the B-1 concourse at Terminal B, both of their clubrooms are directly across from one another so they will close one.



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User currently offlineG4LASRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11725 times:

At LAS both are in the D Gates, with DL on the south side of the southwest arm and NW on the south side of the southeast arm - with G4 sandwiched in the middle. The new short northwest arm is well on its way to completion, and will add another nine gates to the D Terminal. Maybe some shifting around will happen at that point.


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11705 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 6):
BOS is going to be interesting. DL built the brand new terminal A and they share it with CO. NW is in terminal E (the international terminal) but were moving to Terminal C. I'm thinking that CO will be moved to Terminal C where NW was supposed to go and NW will move to Terminal A. Since UA is in Terminal C already, it will make things easier if both CO and UA merge. So Terminal A will be dominated by a combined DL/NW and Terminal C will have a combined CO/UA. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Didn't massport just give CO a huge incentive to move to A? Why would CO want to move to the old AirTran gate areas(crap)? I think CO will end up staying in A and NW/DL will have all their ops(3-4 daily) from A except for international departures/arrivals which would be from E(connected to A). NW could probably fit their ops in(only 18 domestic flights a day, 12 mainline, 6 airlink(CRJ/E175). The CRJs could park at A1/A2 where big sky was while the E175s could use mainline gates(probably 3 gates needed at most).

[Edited 2008-04-14 19:27:20]

User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11660 times:

MKE: I think they could just both move into current NW gates. 6 is enough.

MSN: Pretty sure it will stay the same, or will use less gates.

LSE: Only NW, same

EAU: Only NW, same

ATW: Not many gates there, so same or less I assume

Rhinelander: Only NW, same

Wausau: Only NW, same



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11659 times:

I guess we might see some cuts to make room. But even with the incentives, if CO merges with UA I think it will be back to Terminal C, even if it means the part that was Terminal D. Massport has a lot to deal with in the future.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7693 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11661 times:

My home airport (as is obvious by my name) is LAX:

NW is in T2 and DL is in T5.

DL has a tiny focus city and NW has a small operation here. I could see them consolidating into T5. Either way neither has a huge following in the Los Angeles area and it will probably go un noticed.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11665 times:

Here at PIT...

NW D81, D83, D85
DL D76, D78, D80

NWADC9's predictions...
Vacancy at D81, D83, and D85. CO's across the hallway from the DL gates, so it'd be good me thinks. 'Course, you got that moving walkway in the way, but still  Wink



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User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

ORD
NW at terminal 2
DL at terminal 3

Joint NW/CO club in terminal 2...
wanna bet that NW jumps ship to terminal 3...


User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11645 times:

At MKE, I assume Delta will move from C20 and C21 to Northwest's gates E64 - E69.

User currently offlineTreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11618 times:

At PHX both NW and DL are in the same T3 concourse. So it's pretty simple here. The whole north concourse of T3 will be DL it seems.


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User currently offlineJibny From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11618 times:

DL and NW share a terminal at LGA. No other airline is in that terminal.

User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11618 times:



Quoting Treebeard787 (Reply 17):
At PHX both NW and DL are in the same T3 concourse. So it's pretty simple here. The whole north concourse of T3 will be DL it seems.

it would be great if they kept the PHX CRC open....


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11569 times:

While I'm at it, I'll look at LAS, since I fly out there once a month and might be moving there shortly.

LAS is a CUTE airport, so it's pretty easy to move airlines around. NW currently has 13 daily flights (6 MSP, 4 DTW, 1 MEM, 1 LAX, 1 IND).

Virgin America currently uses D32 and Allegiant frequently uses D30, and both these airlines can easily move over into NW's current gates while DL/NW shifts into D30/D32, which would give DL the entire left side of that pier on the D Concourse, while UA has the entire right side. VX could move into either the new Northwest (directional) pier which opens real soon (opens this summer I think, if not sooner). Allegiant has a lot of flights out of the Southeast pier, so they could share that with AA quite easily.

MCO:
NW has around 20 daily flights, with DL having around 35 daily mainline flights (not going to bother with Connection, as those planes can easily use the Gate 60 facility which has 13 parking spots). DL has 8 mainline gates (though Gate 70 is currently parking 2 RJs), so even with 50-55 daily mainline flights, 7 gates is more than adequate and then having 15 RJ parking spots.


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11555 times:

For SAN-

NW currently uses T2 East, usually gates 23 or 25, while DL uses gates 38-41 in T2 West. Given the limited gate space at SAN, I imagine NW will stay at its current location, since T2 West would have almost no room. It's all the same terminal, so it shouldn't shake things up too much.



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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11555 times:

At PDX.

NW uses gates D6, D8, D11, D15

DL uses gates D5, D7, D9

NW has their World club at D7. They took over one of the old Crown rooms on the mezzanine level.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11490 times:

Let's look at BOS a little more carefully:

The satellite has 10 gates. Delta has about 35 daily mainline flights currently (to ATL, CVG, SLC, JFK, LAX, MCO, FLL, TPA, PBI, RSW, BDA). NW has a total of 20 daily flights at BOS (mainline to MSP, DTW, AMS; Airlink to MEM, IND).

Let's make the fair assumption that DL keeps 3 satellite gates for RJs (incl. CRJ-900s and E-jet series). That still leaves 7 gates for what will be about 45-50 daily mainline flights (keep in mind that DL is already reducing some flights out of BOS to LAX and Florida). That's not too bad, especially when DL could also park some CRJs at Gate A1 (used to run Beechs out of here). Shuttle would stay at A2-A3, and I believe DL still has 5 or 6 of the RJ slots at the A9-A12 complex.

Will Terminal A be a bit more crowded? Yup. Do I see CO needing to move out? Not at all - the terminal will be near capacity, but won't need to kick anyone out.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3299 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11489 times:

TOL:

DL ground handled by Comair, NW ground handled by Mesaba. Likely combined into 1 or the other. One more vacant ticket counter here.


25 NWALAS : LAS..... With the expansion of the D concourse and G4 getting that new fleet of AIRBUS 380's, I can see Delta and NWA moving over to the FEDEX side an
26 AlitaliaMD11 : My local airport is SWF and both carriers serve the airport with CRJ service to DTW and ATL. I don't think much will change here. As for my local inte
27 SQ452 : I think the A330 can fit in the far gate in the sat terminal near the FedEx area. If I remember correctly, that gate is angled slightly so an A330 co
28 Kanebear : At CRP.... oh yeah, DL pulled out. Nevermind.
29 Sdexplorer00 : SAN will be consolidated at the existing Delta ticket counter with no additional space needed after a redesign of the space already planned. If space
30 MKE22 : Umm, what!?!? G4 getting A380s? I don't think so.
31 Gigneil : DCA willl be VERY interesting. There is no real way for them to both consolidate into DL's gates, and there's no way they'd move into A. NW has maasss
32 IliriBDL : Back to BOS again, according to Boston Globe the new Delta would claim about 21.7 percent of Logan's passenger traffic, making it the airport's larges
33 Bwohlgemuth : FWA is going to lose a couple of destinations. NW currently serves DTW and MSP starting next month. DL serves CVG and ATL. My personal guess is the lo
34 Soxfan : Just a small note that although Delta's website shows one MD88 flight to JFK (the rest regional), they primarily fly their mainline aircraft from BOS
35 OzarkD9S : STL: Both airlines are on A Concourse, with DL on the north (outside) and NW on the south (inside). Gates are essentially opposite each other. Don't r
36 SQ452 : maybe, perhaps they'll stick a few DC-9's on the route instead
37 Aloha73G : HNL: NW Check-In Area is in Lobby 7 (with AA, and CO) DL Check-In Area is in Lobby 4 (with QF, PR and many small airlines) Winner: NW; Lobby 7 is clos
38 LAXintl : One big fly in the ointment is that NWA has an ownership stake in LAX Two Corp, something that makes it quite a bit of revenue to the point that whil
39 MtnWest1979 : At BOI: DL uses B22, DL Conn uses B20 and B22. NW uses B16. Assuming either don't reduce or eliminate service, this should stay about the same. I hope
40 Joeljack : OMA: Both Airlines are in the south terminal Northwest is at gates A1,A2, and A3 -14 daily flights with 5-6 mainline per day of DC9/A319 and A320's. D
41 RwSEA : I agree, consolidation on the S-Satellite makes sense. They'd also be closer to SkyTeam partners AF, AM, KE, and CI. That said, I hope we keep all ou
42 Misbeehavin : My home airport is ATL, so let's see... I doubt hardly anyone will notice NW's "disappearance" from ATL!
43 DeltaRules : CMH: DL uses gates C53-56. NW uses gates B35-36. B35-36 are at the complete opposite end of the airport from C53-56 & there's no connection between th
44 KstateinALB : No problem for ALB, NW would move over to Concourse B, leaving an empty gate in Concourse A, which could pave the way for a new carrier, such as FL, B
45 FriendlySkies : NW will almost certainly go to T3, and if CO/UA happens, it gives UA 3 more gates in E. B6 shares a gate with CO, so they'd prob take over one of NWs
46 Anonms : My home airports: SFO: like someone mentioned, DL and NW would be sharing Boarding Area C with Frontier and Hawaiian, so no change TPE: NW operates ou
47 Wedgetail737 : I was hoping there would be split operation, sending all or a bulk of the NW domestic flights through A and leave all the international flights at S.
48 RedTailDTW : TUS: DL stays at gates B2 & B3 NW moves from B11 to gates B2 & B3 since they only have one daily flight Also, since DL shares gate B3 with Alaska, the
49 Nwaramper : What do you guys think will happen to TPA Tampa? Northwest is in Airside A and Delta is in Airside E.[Edited 2008-04-14 21:18:59]
50 Jetlanta : In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if one of the minor concessions the DOT/DOJ requires is the return of some of NW's gate holdings to the city.
51 RedTailDTW : I think you mean Airside E... I think NW will move over to Airside E to be with Delta since it is much nicer and less cramped. I am not sure as I am
52 Chugach : ANC: Currently NW is crammed into Concourse C with AS during the B concourse renovations. DL has been banished to the North Terminal along with CO and
53 Commavia : At my two home airports ... DFW: Both are in Terminal E, NW at E4-E6 and Delta at E12-E15; neither space could fit all the flights of both airlines, s
54 SHUPirate1 : FLL: Dear god, what a mess...I don't even want to be the person in charge of reshuffling the deck chairs... PBI: this one is more straightforward...mo
55 Antoniemey : BNA: On B DL and NW are directly across from each other... no issues... on A CO and UA have adjacent gates, though the gate areas are separated by a n
56 Phatfarmlines : Just to clarify, NW is in Airside A with 3 gates, and DL is in Airside E with 8 gates (7 jetways, 1 commuter). Given the recent flight cutbacks with
57 COFreqFlyer : This is easy. MAF. AA remains on Gate 1 CO remains on Gate 2 WN remains on Gates 3-5. Who is DL? Who is NW? Who cares? :D
58 FrontierATL : Well, here at CSG, I just hope we get a new destination. I don't really care where. MSP would be cool. Maybe with a Saab 340? All there is now is a fe
59 Yflyer : At SMF, NW has one gate in Terminal B. DL has a couple of gates in Terminal A. Of course we're getting a brand new terminal in a few years, but I woul
60 N839MH : DFW: Delta uses gates E12, 13, 14 & 15. NWA uses gates E4, 5 & 6. The combined operations could look like this...Gates 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, & 16. Crown
61 PITops : Great. More un-unused gates in PIT.
62 Acey559 : NW is our biggest carrier in terms of numbers of flights here at MLI (at least I believe they are), so if this pans out the way people think, then I g
63 Ckfred : I think this may depend on whether CO and UA merge. If they do, that will probably open up CO's gates in T2. Here's the all-important question. DL ga
64 Commavia : Yeah, I don't know what they're going to do at LAX. It's a tough situation, as I agree that the combined company is not going to want to give up a pr
65 Floridaflyboy : BIL: This one might be interesting. They're at opposite ends of the terminal, and BIL is a strange airport where every gate is physically separated fr
66 AirportPlan : L Concourse at ORD would be perfect for DL/NW but Delta subleased gates L1, L2, L4, L6, and L8 to AA. If I remember correctly the sublease is valid t
67 Steeler83 : I guess if MEM and CVG go away as hubs, then I could see DL/NW just condense into the existing DL gates. I wonder if the airline would increase its t
68 LAXintl : No can do. One of the stipulations is that they must operate/be major tenant at the terminal to maintain their ownership stake. Air Canada went down
69 Jetpixx : Unfortunately...at CLE, I can see NW moving to Concourse B - and UA moving to Concourse C when they take over CO
70 ADent : DEN: NW has 34,36,38. DL has 40,42,44. No need to do anything now gate wise. I suppose it would be nicer if the gates were opposite each other, instea
71 Nwaesc : Comair uses gates 1 & 3, with NW using 2, 8,9, & 10 (and RON's one at 4). Ideally, it'd be nice to move back to the north end, using 1,2,3,4, & 5 (ga
72 Kearnet : MHT The Good: We'll finally get more DL flights that we've been wanting to get back MHT The Bad: Loosing the Diesel Nines before I have a chance to fl
73 GRRTVC : ANC: Pretty much agree with Chugach. NW/DL will move back to B once its complete in fall '09. Each have 2 gates today that are not well utilized in th
74 TSS : BHM- DL has four gates on the larger Concourse C (C2, C4, C6, and C8) and NW has two gates on the smaller Concourse B (B3 and B5). As United Express h
75 Post contains links Moderators : Please continue this discussion at the following thread Official DL/NW Merger: Impact On Airports Thank you
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