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Merger: DL/NW Have Announced The Merger #2  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 514 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14821 times:
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User currently offlinePDXCessna206 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14765 times:

Well I am glad to hear something happened. I guess there will be a few more Delta planes at PDX in the years to come. Good Luck to all.

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14735 times:

I wish they retained the Northwest livery which is a lot better than the DL one.

I also just received an email from NW explaining how FF status won't be affected by the merger. I hope I can merge my DL and NW miles although I doubt it.  biggrin 

[Edited 2008-04-14 22:27:23]


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User currently offlineSpeedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14661 times:

to make sure again, DL has merged with NW, and they decided to keep their name as 'Delta' for their new company and put their headquarter in Atlanta. Does it mean that NW will be totally gone? or they will keep their own metals and fly seperatre just like AF and KL?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14645 times:

No more Northwest.

NS


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14612 times:

Neil, I was just saying, DL-NW will attempt to own the Southeast by closing down MEM (or scaling down over the years), while protecting MEM defensively. This will allow them to preserve 90% of the revenue they were getting at MEM, without the cost of actually flying the flights. They will just send those pax over to ATL! And US will gain at CLT, as well.

Anytime we get rid of a player, such as DL in the Midwest at CVG, the degree of competition falls and prices will rise. In particular, the 2 companies can make more money together than separate. Think of DL-NW's new position at IND for example. Won't they be able to consolidate their power at IND significantly? Yes. Their revenues will improve.

This is the same thing US had in mind when they bid for DL. By shutting off the domestic competition, great profits can be made, and huge costs can be cut. They weren't spreading out geographically. They were deepening their control over a region to "serve it better" and serve themselves bigger profits.


User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14615 times:



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Reply 3):
Does it mean that NW will be totally gone? or they will keep their own metals and fly seperatre just like AF and KL?

As much as I wish it was the latter, I think it's the former.  Sad

I like DL, but I'd hate to see NW suffer the same fate as HP.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5787 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14586 times:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3936583/
Just adding the original thread link if people are curious and need it.

Tugg



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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14443 times:



Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 8):
the one thing that hasn't confirmed yet and will not be for a while is what they decide on the paint scheme.

omg! will delta comw up with yet another scheme?


User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14437 times:



Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 9):
omg! will delta comw up with yet another scheme?

Well they need to decide whether to keep the one they got, which is what they will probably do knowing my luck.

 Sad


Mason



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User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14399 times:

Interesting that the widget on DL's latest paint scheme and the arrow on Northwest's latest scheme both point in the same direction. The road ahead for these two airlines will be an adventure at the very least. Hopefully, things work out for the best.

I do think that US and AA will be fine by themselves for now if both CO/UA and DL/NW merge. Smaller companies are much easier to adapt to change than a company the size of these two suggested mergers.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4763 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14305 times:

Having been absently quiet on this front over the last week or so and since the announcement, there isn't much to add that my buddy Jetlanta hasn't already added.

If people think about this differently, rather than allow pride to cloud their judgement, this is a win-win across the board for employees, shareholders, customers and communities.

Current aspects of the aviation marketplace in the US and around the globe meant carriers in the US needed to drastically change the way they operate. Congrats to DL and NW for seeing this so quickly and moving on it.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5125 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14283 times:

I am not sure how I feel about this yet. I mean, I am all for it if it is going to keep the employees of both airlines employed. I am all for it if it is going to prosper the company. I am all for it if it is going to help the industry.

I am not sure about losing another name though (me being selfish of course). Northwest has a special place in my heart, that stems back to Republic and Hughes Airwest. It appears that the cycle continues for them. Perhaps it would be nice if Delta would honor the heritage like US did with its predecessors. Why not?


Congrats to the employees of NW and DL. I know there are going to be some mixed emotions, but I hope that the playing field is level for both work groups. I also hope that there is an easy transition (easy to say), but we know there will indeed be sacrifices made. I just hope that it works out in the long run. NW really had a hard hill to climb to survive this current downfall, and I am happy to see that it is being taken under DL's wing. Delta is a fine airline, and I am excited to see this transformation.


Goodbye NWA, but your not forgotten!!!!



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User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7394 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14242 times:

I'd better try and get on the DC9s while I can.

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14196 times:



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Reply 3):
to make sure again, DL has merged with NW, and they decided to keep their name as 'Delta' for their new company and put their headquarter in Atlanta. Does it mean that NW will be totally gone? or they will keep their own metals and fly seperatre just like AF and KL?

No Northwest will be gone.

congrats. to DL and NW.
Now how long till ATL-NRT gets a 747?



yep.
User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14127 times:
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so what happens from here?

I guess the next step is getting shareholder approval then applying for approval from the feds, assuming those things both happen, then what? do they apply then to merge the certificates? and while they're waiting for that to happen, start making internal changes? i guess i'm curious how long it will be until we start seeing physical changes, i.e. repainted planes, changed airport and gate signage, combined flight numbers, things that let us know that the integration is actually happening



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14095 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 15):
congrats. to DL and NW.
Now how long till ATL-NRT gets a 747?

When ATL-NRT needs one. Right now, it doesnt. Maybe one day.  Wink

Congrats to DL and NW!



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14075 times:

Well thank good ness its now out in the open officially and they plan to merge. Bring on the UA/CO merger, which if you believe what the media is saying could also be announced in the next few days.

User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14035 times:

Wow, this might be the first U.S. airline to order the A380... What do you think?  scratchchin 


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User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13971 times:

Shame the NW brand is gone now, I hoped they would follow the route AF-KL did, one company - two airlines.

Any way good for the alliance.


User currently offlineTortuga From United States of America, joined May 2002, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13935 times:



Quoting Vunz (Reply 20):

Such a shame that they have to get rid of the NWA name. What's so big deal about keeping the names?


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13923 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
When ATL-NRT needs one. Right now, it doesnt. Maybe one day.

Really and truly I think ATL-NRT on a 744 would work. DL's flight goes out full(around 90-95% loads) and then add a hub at the other end? I bet it would work. Then move that T7 up to JFK for JFK-NRT. Or just add the 744 to JFK.



yep.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

It takes multiple planes to operate ATL-NRT, and would then need multiple 747s.

They don't have that many to spare, and there is a delicate balance of that plane that carries it beyond ATL to maximize utilization.

ATL-NRT might get one, but it will be awhile later.

NS


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13876 times:



Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 19):
Wow, this might be the first U.S. airline to order the A380... What do you think?

No way any US airline orders the A380 - just will not happen .
Their philosophy is different than European/Asian carriers business-models.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13861 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 24):
Their philosophy is different than European/Asian carriers business-models.

Can you illustrate some of those differences?

NS


25 NorthstarBoy : In addition to my previous post, i got to thinking, since NW/DL have to get approval for this from their individual shareholders, what are the chances
26 DavestanKSAN : It will be a shame to see the NW logo go. My Grandfather worked for some odd long number of years as a meteorologist for NW, so NW has a special place
27 Beaucaire : European/Asian/ME carriers obviously focus a lot on International routes between hubs with high volumes ,justifying A380's . US carriers seem more fo
28 United1 : Thats true on the domestic market and to an extent between the US and Europe however across the Pacific UA and NW use 744s with high capacity, and fe
29 Aloha717200 : I'm truly going to miss NW. I flew them only twice, both in 2004, three times if you count Mesaba. Service was great, in flight product was great, sea
30 RJ111 : It's sad to see the NW brand leave the aviation world. They been a major player over the years and a great airline. DL should go back to the widget sc
31 FlyLondon : I haven't read the other thread, but purely from an international point of view this combination would seem to make the most sense. Both of these airl
32 Klmd11l : So Northwest will join Pan Am, TWA, etc...! Sad end for a great name in the airline industry, Why didn't they merge like AF-KL?!! with every airline r
33 764 : All other things aside, I think they run the risk of losing a lot of traffic from the upper midwest. Northwest has a very stron position there and peo
34 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : The DL fanboys will bite my head off for this, but... Have to say I am absolutely gutted about this news. NW is a wonderful brand and a wonderful airl
35 Briboy : Because NW and DL are in the same country, while AF and KL are different countries. While a few countries have bilaterals with the EU as a whole, mos
36 Boeing12345 : Just my two cents here, but I am not in favor of these mergers. I believe that the only people that will come out on top are the shareholders and such
37 Post contains images VX :    Seems like I've been hearing a lot of, "Let the weakest airlines fall, and the strongest survive!" But that only applies to the LCC it seems. "L
38 Halls120 : You raise an interesting point. How will consolidation benefit the industry if, as a result of this merger, no existing hubs will be closed and no jo
39 Halls120 : The only problem is that the "old" US lives on in the "new" US through consistently crappy service.
40 Isitsafenow : Did ya all see the interview on CNBC this morning with Richie and Dougie together? Gordon was there too. Dougie did mention that MEM hub is profitable
41 B747forever : So now with this merger, will UA and CO do something???
42 FlyPNS1 : While I am a supporter of this merger, I think you are fooling yourself if you think this merger will really benefit all those groups. Most small com
43 Isitsafenow : That would be known as a slam dunk........ In english....yes they will.... safe
44 B747forever : Interesting. Then AA and US are "alone"
45 NW748i : You said it... I did. I'll admit that Anderson was much more emgaging than when I sat through the dull keynote that he gave last month. I suppose tha
46 CHRISBA777ER : I have to say its you NW guys I feel sorry for - I get the impression this isnt so much as a merger as a buyout by DL and I wouldnt want to be NW sta
47 B747forever : I know, that is the problem. Who else could AA merge with??
48 Post contains images SBN580 : Let's see an airline from the Twin Cities merges with an airline from Atlanta to form one big airline. Now where have I heard that before? That did no
49 CHRISBA777ER : As I said - i think mergers need to have a seriously good business case to be worthwhile. The temptation on this site is drawn to wild speculation an
50 CatIII : Did Steenland say towards the end there that SWA was "still the largest carrier" in the country? I can't get the interview to reload.
51 Jetlanta : I'd pretty much agree with all you have to say here. Some communities will suffer, but probably not much more than they would have otherwise. I will
52 NW748i : Yes, he did say that... more than once. He's on the investor call right now saying it still. It seems to be the mantra of this fiasco...[Edited 2008-
53 Jetlanta : Southwest is the largest domestic U.S. airline in terms of passengers.
54 CatIII : Delta stock down $1.13...
55 B747forever : Why is that?? Shouldnt they go up??
56 PhaetonFell : I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of shareholders are pre-disposed to consolidation. There's plenty of gloom and doom to be found in
57 WorldTraveler : This is a great day for DL and NW; as I have repeatedly said, this is a merger of addition, not subtraction. Neither airline would have been able to d
58 Spacecadet : No, because mergers cost money. Usually a lot of money. Those costs take years to be dealt with. If a certain amount of profit is priced into a stock
59 Post contains links Mayor : Perhaps this might help: http://newglobalairline.com/
60 Airbazar : Why would they have to merge with anyone? Bigger is not always better. The two mergers between DL/NW and CO/US are not just good for the carriers inv
61 AFKLMLHLX : Now, I liked NW as an airline, but it was way down on my list. Their interiors were drab, the new paint scheme was nice but the whole airline was eh.
62 VonRichtofen : Man I'll be kind of sad to see NW be absorbed. I have several flights to Asia on NW and I could never understand why so many people complain about the
63 ArniePie : What will happen at airports outside the US that see both DL and NW traffic? I know that they said they haven't a lot of overlapping international rou
64 DLPMMM : What airports are these that you talk about where the combined DL/NW might need to sell off slots? The only slot restricted airports that both airlin
65 FlyingDoctorWu : If you look at NW flights to NRT it's clear that they are using smaller aircraft.. SEA-NRT is a A332 (used to be either 742/Dc-10) SFO-NRT is a A332
66 Beertrucker : After reading all the comments in here I found something kinda funny. About every 5 posts or something like that you see a post about livery. Do you m
67 _AA_777_MAN : Is that why DL didnt make a 787 order because they knew they would just take NW's?
68 LAXdude1023 : Seems as though many on here have a short term memory. AA already did their merger dance with TWA a few years back. In a way, they are a head of the
69 Mayor : With all the talk on here about a possible livery change, I think things will go ahead as they are and the entire fleet will be in the new DL livery.
70 _AA_777_MAN : I wonder what will happen in ORD, will DL & NW stay in seperate terminals? Currently DL shares terminal 3 with AA and NW has its own terminal 2, wich
71 FalconBird : Wonder when we'll start seeing changes? There's no way Delta can maintain so many hubs. I too believe that MEM and CVG are in for some severe cuts and
72 Mayor : Alot has to happen before there's any changes. I can see MEM or CVG being drawn down to less than focus city size but not closed. When DL opened up C
73 RwSEA : I agree that CVG and MEM will go, but I think MEM makes more sense to keep than CVG. MEM can relieve traffic from ATL and is further west. CVG is rig
74 Ikramerica : It's why, as per the fleet thread, I think the 77W suits DL well in the future. If you take the average size of the aircraft DL and NW fly to NRT fro
75 RobertS975 : Actually, this is different... the Northwest name may disappear, but this is a merger acquisition. Pan Am just basically went out of business after s
76 EA772LR : Perhaps we can see some 77W ordered to begin to replace NW's 744s. They'll fit perfectly nice right next to DL's 77L. Will this become the first airli
77 Post contains links NW748i : For those who wants to have the latest info, "Oberstarr is on" (webcast): http://transportation.house.gov/
78 EXAAUADL : No it is a merger of subtraction epsecially when MEM and CVG go away. Part of the saving is hub closing and capacity reductions Explain how aircraft
79 WESTERN737800 : I think this will be a good merger. I'm sure we'll see some higher fares, but I think the fares would have gone up whether the merger took place or no
80 PITIngres : Except capacity. For sure MEM or CVG or both will shrink. I don't see that MSP, DTW, or ATL are so underutilized that they can take ALL of the connec
81 EXAAUADL : the basic idea of this merger is to cut capacity, raise fares and make money...to do that you need to close CVG and MEM..otherwise you just have a hu
82 RwSEA : I only see MEM staying as a reliever hub for ATL. Maybe even build it up a bit and shrink ATL a tad (+/- 50 flights a day). Move some of those wester
83 Mohunk : The scene: Fall, 1991, from the flight deck of a NWA 757 approaching a night landing at MSP---"Ladies and gentleman, take your seats as we have been c
84 Cubsrule : Agreed. You won't see gobs of new flights from MEM to secondary or tertiary locations, but having MEM certainly gives DL to option to focus Atlanta o
85 Post contains links Singapore_Air : http://4.78.165.100/newglobalairline/20080414/event/300kOD.wvx "The combination also puts us in an improved financial position..... with the best bala
86 Halls120 : What did you expect them to say? That the merger will leave them worse off than before?
87 Bobnwa : He said they were the largest domestic airline. DL and NW have zero overlapping routes in either Europe or Asia. In the long run the new DL will be m
88 Singapore_Air : My inferred point was that I am surprised that they would make a claim that they would have "the best balance sheet, the best cost structure and the
89 DeltaL1011man : I think NW has some 744s (2) that are about to go on DTW-AMS which could be used if they don't start that route. I almost hope it doesn't happen. Not
90 JetBlueGuy2006 : Question: What happens if the merger is not approved by international authorities? Could there be a case is that happens, they rework the deal so that
91 Cageyjames : It would be the largest US carrier to Europe, but I'm not sure if it would be large enough to cause pause. Probably give up some routes, but nothing
92 Mayor : How much sway does the EU hold over a merger of two U.S. carriers, anyway?
93 Cubsrule : With open skies, very little. And why would the EU care?
94 Halls120 : I'm not. The spin cycle will be running at full tilt for the next several weeks with regard to "official" statements from the new DL/NW. Look at the
95 Viscount724 : As far as I know it will still need EU approval like other mergers of foreign companies operating in the EU. But, as mentioned, with Open Skies it's
96 Cubsrule : Nominally, it needs approval. But I see no reason that the EU wouldn't approve it.
97 MEMbase : I think you guys are on the right track. MEM as a hub is weak on the revenue side but this is greatly offset by low operating costs. Labor is inexpen
98 CJAContinental : If CO and UA merge, which according to the airlines is a definate go-ahead on the basis that others form, I hope they do an AF KL thing, one company,
99 MAN23R : Evening, I have mixed views on this, i cant believe NW is becoming Delta. What i really want to know is what will hapeen with th NW & KLM relationship
100 NW748i : Because they are charged with the duty of looking out for E.U. citizens who fly on those carriers and also because they have juridiction of business
101 WESTERN737800 : I think that MEM and CVG should be kept. Aside from all of the potential job cuts, I think its good to have hubs close to each other, when weather co
102 Victrola : Hi Everyone, This is my first post after lurking in the background on this sight for the last few years. I do have some concerns about these mergers.
103 Mohunk : I guess I'll never be able to have a Pepsi on another "Northwest" flight!!! I STILL WANT MY MONEY BACK!!
104 DLPMMM : Wasn't it Ben Franklin that said "A fool and his money are soon parted"? Who elected the people who gave your money away? There is another saying tha
105 Ikramerica : Especially because AF/KL will be lobbying for the merger. Even if BA and LH are against it, having the AF/KL lobbying for it would carry some weight.
106 Post contains images StarAlliance38 : I should have seen this coming. I'm for merging within your alliance rather than between alliances because we have a tug-of-war for the new airline. I
107 BOStonsox : I noticed the same thing. Somebody had pointed that out talking about new livery but I thought it was for after they merged. Still, even now the widg
108 DeltaL1011man : At least DL is keeping the same number of jobs there.
109 Byrdluvs747 : What the heck could the EU say? "We'll allow Euro-megacarriers, but not US-megacarriers!" After allowing AF-KL they have no credibility on this subje
110 Post contains images Breaker1011 : Unless you look at it from the right side of the aircraft - then it's Northeast.    What X-Files conspiracy can we build on that one? Where's David
111 Jetlanta : The 6-way joint venture between DL/NW/AF/KL/AZ/OK has already been cleared by the E.U. As stated in the merger press conference, this review was the
112 Lono : Sign me up for that explanation also.... and just for grins how will the pilots and unions at NW impact this cume bah ya party...
113 Halls120 : Myu brother (a DL pilot) told me this was going to happen years ago. So they say. I've asked the question in various threads, and silence (so far) is
114 Bobnwa : Do you have numbers that show it will not have the best balance sheet?
115 Gigneil : No problem. You save money on everything from staples to LD3s and A380s. Your costs of doing business overall come down. You reallocate people and re
116 Mayor : It just means this has been planned since '72, when the Northeast merger took place.
117 SBN580 : And the compass mark points Northeast on the right side of Northwest aircraft as well. I would not be sad to see that livery mistake go away. It is i
118 Cubsrule : I can think of a couple more arguments for keeping MEM over CVG. One relates to location. While MEM is somewhat redundant with ATL, CVG is arguably e
119 Deltal1011man : Someone said DL/NW will make 1B just rerouting the fleet. (aka if a route has a 738 on it but it need a A319 they will change it to a A319)
120 Mohunk : My wife and I laid into our state representative at the time who said if he voted against it he would be the only one in the state of Minnesota to do
121 Mohunk : So the Eagen headquarters building will stay open with all those high paying jobs--Steenland, executive vice presidents....I don't think so. Besides
122 Post contains links Lono : Quoting Gigneil (Reply 115): You reduce your costs of capital, your interest rates, you can more effectively go to market. I noticed wall street did n
123 Gigneil : 1 billion is the total synergistic vision for the airline yearly. Not just from routes. NS
124 Post contains images Beagleboys : by mike peters/grimmy.com
125 Brilondon : Praise the Lord for miracles.
126 Asiaflyer : There are alot of questions about the merger raised in this thread. I have big doubts myself if it really will be successful. My main concern is that
127 MasseyBrown : Wall Street thinks the merger stinks. Both stocks are down about 20% from their pre-merger highs. The argument seems to be that the merger does nothi
128 Gigneil : No, Wall Street thinks the merger as PLANNED stinks. Announcing no cuts of hubs is ludicrous. It doesn't work. In reality or for the market. I bet it
129 Halls120 : Likewise, telling employees that there will be no job losses is equally ludicrous.
130 Lono : I wonder how much bonus money the DL/NW managers will get over this deal....??? and there will have to be cuts or the new DL/NW will still bleed mone
131 Gigneil : The things is, the cat is out of the bag. Employees HAVE to get on board now. Or they won't have jobs. Continental and United are not going to wait, t
132 Panamair : Zip for Richard Anderson himself as he has waived all bonuses associated with any merger deal...
133 MasseyBrown : Presumably they will be forced to stick with the no hub cuts and no layoffs promise at least as long as it takes to get any merger deal approved. So
134 Gigneil : They're not legally obligated to this plan. Many factors can change it. NS
135 MasseyBrown : Breaking their promises while the deal is still pending would reinforce political and labor opposition, a very risky course of action. Interesting ar
136 Gigneil : That was my point. They needed some sort of other force to help them with labor. A plummeting stock price, followed by their earning statements being
137 Mayor : Wall Street couldn't find their ass with both hands.
138 Cageyjames : Maybe, but they own the airlines.
139 WorldTraveler : no it wasn't. It was opened as a midwest hub - part of Bob Coggins' plan to create hubs throughout the eastern US (remember MCO and DFW which was joi
140 Mayor : Then I guess what they told us when I worked at Delta was a lie.
141 DeltaL1011man : when did i say they will keep those types of jobs? i said they are going to keep the same number of jobs. Hell that could mean the go out and replace
142 Lono : I agree with Mayor... I was there... we were told CVG would be bigger than ATL and DFW would be number 3.. there was major employee meetings over thi
143 PlanesNTrains : Unfortunately, just because they told you that doesn't mean it was accurate (versus true). It may have been what they thought the truth was. -Dave
144 Bobnwa : WT, please go back and read message 114. I supported the fact that DL/NW WOULD have the best balance sheet. Very juvenile remark.
145 Halls120 : Guess my brother (a DL pilot) was lied to as well. But then, haven't you guys learned by now that the OP is never wrong when it comes to Delta matter
146 Jetlanta : Seriously guys, a lot of people on this board were at DL when CVG expanded. No one with any credibility ever said that it was going to be bigger than
147 Mayor : You'll notice that that isn't what I said, either. I said it was expanded to take some pressure off of ATL, not that it would be larger than ATL. Act
148 MasseyBrown : A good time would be 1) when at least one of the carriers has a sound balance sheet and profit projections, 2) when traffic is not predicted to decli
149 WorldTraveler : tell us when that has happened in the past 30 years since deregulation. and remember that political opposition of consolidation is always strongest w
150 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : We all know that they are merging to reducing flying and still cover all the same markets. frequencies are going down somewhere there would be no bene
151 Lono : Yes seriously... we were told ATL was maxed out and CVG was the next growth city... us in DFW were less than thrilled... this was told to us in a ser
152 WorldTraveler : I'm not doubting that you may have been told that or that you remembered it but in reality few frontline people know all of the reasons for major ini
153 Halls120 : I find it interesting that you say above that CVG was opened for reasons "none of us totally know" yet you are quick to proclaim that the opinions of
154 WorldTraveler : I'm simply saying that I don't know the whole picture but I know with Jetlanta that CVG's primary intention was not to provide overflow capacity for
155 Jetlanta : My point was that nobody with credibility ever said that CVG was going to be bigger than ATL, which is what was claimed in Reply 140.
156 Mayor : Which one is it? Or are you talking out of both sides of your mouth? My opinion is that CVG was expanded to help with overflow from ATL, based on wha
157 Post contains links SNCntry32 : Reality Check: MN Money Invested In NWA http://wcco.com/realitycheck/nwa.merger.deal.2.655587.html Just thought I would post again for kicks and giggl
158 ShannoninAMA : I think that they wouldn't need air-sickness bags on those flights. They'd need them for the people watching it from the terminals.. . It might have
159 LAXdude1023 : A very good point Halls120. Whats the point of all the consilidation if nothing is really going to change in terms of capacity? There NEED to be cuts
160 SNCntry32 : I often wonder if the savings the new airline will create will offset the $400 million needing to be paid back. But then again, $400 million is a big
161 Lono : That is what I said... ATL maxed out and CVG was to be the new groth city... I don't think the argument is about CVG really... it is showing that DL
162 Post contains links SNCntry32 : http://www.leg.state.mn.us/lrl/issues/nwa.asp That is also a good read. Lots more interesting articles and other houseflies in link above...
163 Rwy04LGA : Mini apples? Is it really THAT important? Pay the money, fold up the tents, and leave. Provide jobs and tax revenue someplace else. They can use the $
164 DeltaL1011man : I would be willing to bet DL will have no problem in finding that 400 mill. Just how many time are you going to post that stuff? Do you think it will
165 SNCntry32 : No no, just interesting facts. I just find it facatanting that the state has bailed out NW as much as they have. Dont sound so cocky about DL.. They
166 LAXdude1023 : Its a relevant point. If indeed NW entered into a legal agreement with the state of MN or whoever else, they are bound to it. Therefore they will be
167 SNCntry32 : No to mention this is something DL/NW will have to deal with, this will be a big issue for them.
168 WorldTraveler : since we all have so smoothly come to agreement on the reasons for CVG's existence (which I'm still not sure what that means for other people's argume
169 LAXdude1023 : I will. I think youd be nieve to think its going to be that easy. DL might not have to pay as much the legal agreement specifies. They might be able
170 SNCntry32 : Show me an article, some facts, that say Minnesota wants the international service? WorldTraveler, I am going to venture a guess and say you have nev
171 DeltaL1011man : not really....DL will try to talk it out and if it doesn't work they will write a check for the money and walk away. not sounding cocky but if DL wan
172 SNCntry32 : By writing a check and talking their way out of it is indeed dealing with it...
173 WorldTraveler : Since I'm not a lawyer I'm not going to list all the caveats that will be required on both sides. There will be performance guarantees and I would be
174 Mayor : And this is based on what? Just the time you've worked at DL or do you have previous knowledge? Just remember...the Delta you started with is much, m
175 Halls120 : I've asked the same question several times, here and on other threads, and no one seems to want to address the issue. We have? First you say that it
176 Mohunk : Some of you don't seem to understand the BITTERNESS (shouting) that, as Obama said, we are experiencing over this. Once again--merger or acquisition?
177 Mayor : I can understand how you feel, although I never had to go thru it, BUT, would you rather try to make the best of it or stay bitter the rest of your c
178 Post contains links SNCntry32 : I would like to see Minnesota specific. I dont think the state has approached NW about adding new international service, or any companies. We would h
179 Nwaflyer : All, While I agree that MN and Delta will come to an agreement I also believe that it will be very favorable to MN. 400 million is not chump change. I
180 Post contains links CatIII : This was interesting, in today's AJC: Q: The cost of fuel's killing you right now. How does this merger help you with that? Bastian: We're not merging
181 Lono : As a former WA employee that got jerked around by DL... there are more than a few of us that never could get used to the taste of the DL Koolaid....
182 WorldTraveler : I didn't say I know all of the reasons.... I said that I know it wan't primarily for relieving overfull ATL... and that was corroborated by Jetlanta.
183 FlyboyOz : Sorry for asking you a silly question. I think I have suspected something I was wondering whether DL/NW secretly merged together before they made anno
184 Ikramerica : Red and Blue are the two colors of the American flag (white not being a color...). Many USA based airlines and companies incorporate at least red and
185 Ikramerica : Although if you do believe in such theories, it is interesting that at the same time NW did this, DL changed their corporate logo to all red from blue
186 WorldTraveler : since it has been speculated since Sept 14, 2005 (the day both companies lawyers appeared on the steps of the same NY BK court), I wouldn't call it v
187 Lono : I did not... they paid me to retire....back in 95
188 DeltaL1011man : Speaking of bitterness. I think they are very few who want NW to go away. I don't (I still want DL/UA) but it happens. thats life. look at PA,TW,EA,W
189 Transpac787 : You act like a bunch of the posters before you have no clue what they are talking about when you don't even come close to having one yourself.
190 Planefxr : I would like to welcome all Northwest employees to Delta. I think that together DL/NW has the potential to be the greatest merger aviation has ever wi
191 Transpac787 : Both NW and DL have already operated JFK-NRT. As far as NW is concerned, the only route officially scheduled to get the 787 is DTW-PVG.
192 Gigneil : That was when it was just NW. DL at JFK is a much larger operation, especially on the domestic side. The potential exists to make the flight much mor
193 Planefxr : Thanks, but I know that they both operated it before. DL before the JFK expansion and NW with a 747 that was not the right a/c for the route at least
194 Bobnwa : NWA has had blue uniforms for the past 50 years. I don't think they have been secretly merged with DL for that long, do you?
195 Mayor : Also, some of the DL F/A's uniforms are red. What does THAT do to your theory?
196 Mayor : And I worked with an entire airport of WA employees at SLC and would have to say that the vast majority of them were glad to be working for DL. Actua
197 UltimateDelta : Depending on how far along this all is by June, I'm most likely going to be taking Delta to Germany.
198 Lono : DFW... no "ex-WA" pals there.... DFW and DL... Enough said...
199 CV880 : An exception to the rule....most of the WA/DL stations integrated their operations and personnel fairly well after the merger, and management staff f
200 Rwy04LGA : For me, June is BKK. So it might be on NW.
201 Mohunk : Sorry, I'm not an employee, just a fan. I'm done ranting. It will be exciting to experience this monster airline. Maybe they will come up with an IFE
202 CatIII : Looks like Anderson got the questions from Herb Kohl ahead of time as they relate to Midwest...
203 Post contains links KarlB737 : Well it looks like Capitol Hill is asking the questions today. I wish I could hear it from start to finish. It would be interesting to hear the questi
204 Post contains links WorldTraveler : MN and MI business leaders support merger http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/18065049.html http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080424/0390219.html exce
205 Mayor : This is nothing more than a repeat of the previous early out program, announced last month.
206 Lono : Anyone know how this is working out...???? Interesting they announce this and then announce a merger soon after... I wonder what the DL employees thi
207 NWAESC : Severance: Not bad...I wonder what the cap is? There's lots of people in Eagan that have been with the company 40, 45, even 50 years+ years. Flight b
208 Post contains links MKE22 : http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...OWJONESDJONLINE001238_FORTUNE5.htm New DL will keep stake in YX, but will not to look at seeking control in ope
209 Post contains images Mayor :
210 Phileet92 : hey anyone know whats gonna happen with the Frequent Flyer Programs? i know that NW has a no expiration on the miles but delta has an expiration date
211 Cageyjames : Yes the same Wall Street that continues to pour money into the airline industry even though most airlines don't have a workable business plan. I don'
212 WorldTraveler : Wall Street actually does not hold airline stocks... they are short term instruments. big chunks of the airline industry are not held by what were the
213 AgentXE1225 : Several posts suggested that MEM will "go away", while others talk downsize. Downsize is most likely. Go away will never happen. Too much revenue woul
214 Antoniemey : Very topical, though I found it more indicative of the situation between CO and UA... I haven't really chimed in on this topic yet... I'm really of t
215 MasseyBrown : Percent of Delta stock held by: JP Morgan Chase 15.1% FMR (Fidelity) 13.8% Wellington Mgt. 11.2% Lord Abbett 10.0% These are Wall Street names, even
216 Lono : Jebus almost 50 percent combined eh???? I did not know that...
217 Lono : How much does Pardus still own....????
218 Cubsrule : It's less than 15 flights a day, and more than half of those could be easily moved the ATL. Here's something I posted on this a couple of weeks ago
219 Mayor : Mostly on FedEx.
220 MasseyBrown : Pardus is not listed as an owner of 5% or more; so if they hold any it would be less than 5%.
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