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Official DL/NW Merger: Impact On Employees  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10485 times:
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- Official DL/NW Merger: Impact on Fleets & Routes
- Official DL/NW Merger: Impact on Employees
- Official DL/NW Merger: Impact on Regionals
- Official DL/NW Merger: Impact on Alliances
- Official DL/NW Merger: Impact on Airports

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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10411 times:

Well, since my original post was closed for some "reason"

Here is the NWA MEC position.

Here


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

I'm curious about manpower in Mx.
Whats the combined fleet like?
regds
MEL.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2175 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10112 times:

NYT this morning has a nice lengthy article on the deal.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/business/15air.html
One paragraph caught my eye:
"At the end of 2007, Delta and Northwest employed a combined 89,000 workers. American Airlines, currently the largest carrier, had 85,500. Delta said the combined airline would employ 75,000 people. That number excludes 6,000 people who work at Delta’s regional airline and Delta said earlier that it would reduce employment by 2,000."

The Delta internal memo states no invol furloughs
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/business/15air.html
and states that employee representation will be handled after the merger is completed using the feds. In the meantime DL non-contract employees will continue to receive their planned raises and contract employees will also receive theirs. DL does make a point in stating the noncontrat wage scales are higher....an obvious hint to the current union groups at NW on how to vote later on...grin!!!!


Overall I would expect that the proposed UA/CO deal will follow very similar lines so as not to pit one agreement between carriers against another....especially if one union is represented at more than one carrier.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10066 times:

On CNBC this morning, Richie and Dougie both said there will be NOT front line employee layoffs due to this merger.
However there is overlapping in management, planning, purchasing and reservations.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineABXX75 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9961 times:

I'm just wondering what will DL do with that severance package that was given to the seasoned veterans working for DL???? will they eliminate it? will DL discard and bring back the employees that were given severance payouts? That is a common thought about this. Why would DL go thru so much cutting 2,000 administrative positions in ATL and giving severance payouts to 30,000 employees system-wide, not to mention Comair, SkyWest and ASA. I just recently spoke to someone inside some of these companies that DL is about to start doing layoffs at some of the regional carriers despite of their words of not layoff workers. I just was told about this, If I had the knowledge about it I would gladly give more info, but thats just word of mouth. I will believe it when I see it

User currently offlineJblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9931 times:

I'm curios about pass benefits. Currently NW employees and partner employees receive unlimited coach pass (no fee) and unlimited international coach pass (no fee). I believe DL employees have service charges associated with their pass benefits as well as limits on the number of International trips they may take? Hopefully the NW pass rules become the combined company policy.

User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9909 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
On CNBC this morning, Richie and Dougie both said there will be NOT front line employee layoffs due to this merger.
However there is overlapping in management, planning, purchasing and reservations.

I thought I heard on the news last night (WCBS-AM here in NYC) that there would likely be layoffs and that the combined airline is acknowledging this. However, as is always the case when something like this is announced, the number of layoffs and the groups that would be out of work was "not immediately announced". No kidding.

While I think that major mergers like this one are a necessary part of the consolidation this industry needs, it is never a good time when layoffs are announced and lives are forever impacted. Although this is technically a merger and not a buyout, I think everybody knows who the stronger of the two airlines is in this deal (DL). Delta has the younger of the fleets, arguably the stronger route network, and of course, the main hub and headquarters (ATL), so it probably goes without saying that the majority of any cutbacks and trimming will be more to do with NW's crew and network rather than Delta's.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9899 times:



Quoting ABXX75 (Reply 5):
Why would DL go thru so much cutting 2,000 administrative positions in ATL and giving severance payouts to 30,000 employees system-wide, not

Delta offered the payouts to 30,000 eligible employees in hopes to find 2,000.who accepted. they never said they plan on getting rid of 30.000 employees. Quite a different thing altogether.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9868 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 7):

That's the media talking and surmising. You need to get that info from the horse's mouth and that would be
Anderson and Steenland which I did. They were interviewed on CNBC together this morning and the overlapping
I mentioned above was from the two, not the media. I would tend to believe those two instead of a TV or radio
station's two cents worth. safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1930 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

What's interesting to me is the employee counts on http://newglobalairline.com/states/

It appears they are not counting contract employees. For examples, Kentucky only has 2 NW employees. I'm assuming these are station managers. Does this mean that contract employees are going to be the first to go in this merger in favor of actual airline workers? For my state: http://newglobalairline.com/states/nebraska/ it says 52 DL employees (which has to be the 52 OH employees at OMA) and 18 NW employees (which I can only guess is the 1 NW station manager here in OMA and maybe 17 Mesaba (?) employees at LNK). I'm not sure who staffs LNK but I'm guessing its not contract. ATS does EVERYTHING (above and below wing) in OMA for NW so I'm hoping they'll be kicked out, OH will take over and hire on the ATS people. That'd be nice.

-Justin

[Edited 2008-04-15 06:36:41]

User currently offlineJblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9777 times:

All vendor contracts are protected in the merger. So I doubt they would kick out a vendor and add DL/NW employees at stations already outsourced and incur additional HR expense. That would be great for frontline employees but probably doesn't make much corporate sense since both companies heavily outsource ground handling at smaller stations.

User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9758 times:



Quoting Jblake1 (Reply 6):
I believe DL employees have service charges associated with their pass benefits as well as limits on the number of International trips they may take?

Unlimited domestic flights at zero cost. Taxes on international flights. We are limited to 9 RT transoceanic flights yearly.

Of course we are standby on all flights but if first class is available, we get it.



Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9725 times:



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 3):
DL does make a point in stating the noncontrat wage scales are higher....an obvious hint to the current union groups at NW on how to vote later on...grin!!!!

...But they conveniently omit how much *less* NW's unionized employees pay for medical/dental compared to DL's.

...Or that NW's have more vacation.

...Or that there's no cap on sick/OJI time at NW, while DL has on 7 PPT days.

...I've said it a ton of times on here and other boards, but compared "straight up," NW employees come out way ahead.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 10):
It appears they are not counting contract employees.

It does not count vendors, but does count airlink partners.

Quote:
For examples, Kentucky only has 2 NW employees. I'm assuming these are station managers.

This one's interesting... SDF is vendored out, so you're theory would hold water. But I'm not sure who works NWAirlink in LEX????





Quote:
Does this mean that contract employees are going to be the first to go in this merger in favor of actual airline workers?

An internal memo to employees at NWA said that vendor contracts would be honored. I would assume that would apply to ATS and the other 3rd party providers.

Quote:
For my state: http://newglobalairline.com/states/nebraska/ it says 52 DL employees (which has to be the 52 OH employees at OMA) and 18 NW employees (which I can only guess is the 1 NW station manager here in OMA and maybe 17 Mesaba (?) employees at LNK). I'm not sure who staffs LNK but I'm guessing its not contract. ATS does EVERYTHING (above and below wing) in OMA for NW so I'm hoping they'll be kicked out, OH will take over and hire on the ATS people. That'd be nice.

Even better would be for NWA to reopen the place and all of OH's people getting onboard.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlinePhaetonFell From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9643 times:
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Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 10):



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 10):
It appears they are not counting contract employees. For examples, Kentucky only has 2 NW employees. I'm assuming these are station managers. Does this mean that contract employees are going to be the first to go in this merger in favor of actual airline workers?

What's far more likely is that contract workers will no longer be contract workers and that the new Delta will end up with a largely non-union workforce.

The very shrewd wording for the issue now is that union representation "will be resolved through the appropriate governmental processes".

IAMAW and AFA have been scrambling to unionize DL MX and FAs respectively in anticipation of this, knowing that their position representing the NW groups they currently do is severely jeopardized by this merger.


p.s.
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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17662 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9546 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 1):
Here is the NWA MEC position.

DL's pilot union sold NW's pilots downriver faster than any imaginary corporate bogeyman could ever dream of doing. I'm sure that won't have any reprecussions later on Yeah sure.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9507 times:



Quoting PhaetonFell (Reply 14):
What's far more likely is that contract workers will no longer be contract workers and that the new Delta will end up with a largely non-union workforce.

I believe he was using the term "contract worker" to mean a 3rd party vendor, not someone covered under a collective bargaining agreement. Semantics, I know... I'm just sayin'...

Quote:
The very shrewd wording for the issue now is that union representation "will be resolved through the appropriate governmental processes".

IAMAW and AFA have been scrambling to unionize DL MX and FAs respectively in anticipation of this, knowing that their position representing the NW groups they currently do is severely jeopardized by this merger.

The IAM is *not* attempting to organize the maintenance ranks at DL. MX at NWA is rep'd. by AMFA.

The IAM *is* actively trying to organize the ramp and customer service employees of DL.



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9455 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
On CNBC this morning, Richie and Dougie both said there will be NOT front line employee layoffs due to this merger.
However there is overlapping in management, planning, purchasing and reservations.

liars. of course theere will be layoffs. You tell me that at an out station like IAD, they need ALL the NW and DL staff to handle a few flights.....no way....not to mention what will happen when CVG and MEM are closed.


User currently offlinePhaetonFell From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9453 times:
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Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 16):
The IAM is *not* attempting to organize the maintenance ranks at DL. MX at NWA is rep'd. by AMFA.

The IAM *is* actively trying to organize the ramp and customer service employees of DL.

Beg pardon. That's what I meant.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9443 times:



Quoting Jblake1 (Reply 11):

I have to agree on what you posted above but listening to the two CEO's this morning, the buzz phrase was 'our employees'. To me, it would seem like an out to make some changes at the "rented out' stations like LAN or TOL.
I'm not saying it will happen but leaves a crack in the door.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4629 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9422 times:

Here's an interesting question:

Here in YYC NW ticket/sales/gates are done by ATS. This change-over happened recently. However DL (Skywest) still has their own staff.

Now, with the merger do you think Delta will just add more staff to handle the MSP flights operated by the former NW?? Or does the fact that they are Skywest employees and not truely Delta employees matter? Odd scenario...



Word
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9340 times:



Quoting Jblake1 (Reply 6):
I'm curios about pass benefits. Currently NW employees and partner employees receive unlimited coach pass (no fee) and unlimited international coach pass (no fee).

Thats wrong, international coach isn't free, you have to pay all the taxes and such. Also NW employees pay a yearly $50 pass travel fee.

Quoting Jblake1 (Reply 6):
believe DL employees have service charges associated with their pass benefits as well as limits on the number of International trips they may take?

They pay $50 a year for pass travel, im not 100% sure on their international flights, but from what I understand their domestic pass travel is just the $50 fee.



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User currently offlineNwaramper From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9293 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 21):
They pay $50 a year for pass travel, im not 100% sure on their international flights, but from what I understand their domestic pass travel is just the $50 fee

They removed the fee back in 2006.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9251 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 9):
That's the media talking and surmising. You need to get that info from the horse's mouth and that would be
Anderson and Steenland which I did. They were interviewed on CNBC together this morning and the overlapping
I mentioned above was from the two, not the media. I would tend to believe those two instead of a TV or radio
station's two cents worth. safe

I'm not vouching for the source of the news I heard (radio in this case) but I'd be very surprised that no layoffs had occurred two years from now if this merger goes through. I know there will be a slightly reduced workforce through attrition and other means, but layoffs are the nasty side effect of large corporate mergers, especially when there is a large overlap such as the case is here. You don't need two sets of corporate headquarters, double the number of hubs and focus cities and twice the size fleet (OK - a little less once the DC9s are gone). Layoffs are, in my opinion, inevitable. Ask the former TWA crew - let's hope this merger goes better than that one did. I'm sorry, but if you actually believe what you hear from "the horse's mouth", I think you are putting a lot of faith into potentially false hopes.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17):
liars. of course theere will be layoffs. You tell me that at an out station like IAD, they need ALL the NW and DL staff to handle a few flights.....no way....not to mention what will happen when CVG and MEM are closed.

I agree.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineNYCAA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9252 times:



Quoting Jblake1 (Reply 6):
I'm curios about pass benefits. Currently NW employees and partner employees receive unlimited coach pass (no fee) and unlimited international coach pass (no fee). I believe DL employees have service charges associated with their pass benefits as well as limits on the number of International trips they may take? Hopefully the NW pass rules become the combined company policy.

Each DL employee pays a $50 travel activation fee each year on their employement anniversary date. There are no DL services charges for travel beyond that including B/C or F/C. The only charges as with any airline would be international taxes assessed for international travel. You and eligble family members are given 18ow/9rt free international segments each year, there is a fee if you use more than the allotted number. Domestic partners also are included and DL adds imputed income to your salary for riate U.S. government taxes.


25 WorldTraveler : This is a great day for DL and NW; as I have repeatedly said, this is a merger of addition, not subtraction. Neither airline would have been able to d
26 Mayor : All we pay (DL employees and retirees) is the $50 yearly fee and on international, any fees or taxes. Domestic is unlimited with the possibility of f
27 Slider : You believe that? I think *everything* is fair game, quite frankly. Where else are they going to find these alleged "synergies" they're yakking about
28 Post contains links MaverickM11 : Of course they do...DL pilots came out way ahead while screwing NW. NW however, does not: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...hy-northwest-pilots-
29 VictorKilo : It's important to remember that "protected" means that DL and NW can't just summarily drop a contract with a vendor just because of the merger, but i
30 Bobnwa : Burnsie, this ended quite a while ago. Nope, AMFA is still there.
31 MaverickM11 : Yeah but I think they're pretty much castrated
32 Jblake1 : You're right we do pay taxes on international flights. My mistake. From the posts above it sounds like the pass benefits are very similar so that's g
33 SPREE34 : Are you including annual dues in the equation?
34 764flyer : Well it sounds like there is a difference in pass benefits when it comes to first class or coach. F/C doesn't mean much domestically anymore, but who
35 Mayor : To those of you on here that work for NW, I offer an honest and hearfelt, "Welcome to the family". I may be retired but I think most of us retirees st
36 Nwaesc : Yes I am.
37 Dc863 : Well the Airbus flight crews at NW will be let go eventually when DA gets rid of all Airbus equipment. DA got rid of the DC-10 flight crews at Western
38 Mayor : Are you sure or were they just re-trained to fly Tristars? Besides, if they get a/c to replace the Airbusses, where do those pilots come from? Even i
39 CRJ200FAGuy : The pass benefits may be basically the same for Mainline NW and DL, but for current Airlink (future DCI) folks it's crap. 9E flies for both, and we go
40 Nwaflyer07 : Active employees are going to have pass privilages on both NW and DL as soon as possible. I sure hope the rest of Delta's employees are as kind to us
41 Dc863 : Retrained? No they were given a chance to downgrade if any had time in the 737/727s. Those that did have the experience in those aircraft were put th
42 Mayor : That's a far cry from "got rid of".
43 Dc863 : Basically back room jargon that Delta might have used to describe crews flying a type that was no longer needed. Of course a press statement would sa
44 Mayor : I'm quoting what you said, not Delta. First you said they "got rid of" the aircrews and then you said that they were offered the choice to downgrade
45 Dc863 : I'm sure a little of both.
46 764flyer : I wonder if the same will be true for retirees? And does anyone know what the current retiree benefits are with NWA? With DL, they fly after current
47 NYCAA : In over 20 years in this business thats jargon I've never heard. When a fleet type is eliminated those crews are not terminated. Based on your senior
48 Dc863 : Better not tell that to a former PA 747 pilot. When you merge who do think gets the boot first?
49 USAFDO : How is it possible that 2 carriers pilot groups that are both ALPA are in disagreement with ALREADY ESTABLISHED MERGER PROCEDURES (which I understand
50 Post contains links SNCntry32 : Yes. It is. However, I am wondering about the HQ here in Minnesota. The HQ privided up to [b]1,000[b/] jobs. Those are a lot of jobs lost going to AT
51 Connies4ever : Whether it's the airline biz or any other, for that matter, mergers are a HUGE pain in terms of marrying cultures. Everyone coming from NW (the 'losin
52 Funkywabit : Hey Guys...First, I would like to say Congrats to all NW and DL employees for being on the ground floor of what could quite possibly be a really cool
53 Dc863 : Merger nightmares: Pacific/West Coast/Bonanza = Air West Delta/Pan Am National/Pan Am I'm sure there are others like USAir/Piedmont The hardest for em
54 NYCAA : Obviously you don't know how that worked. When DL acquired the PanAm routes it was only their european network and the A310. The only PanAm pilots th
55 Nwaesc : Might want to include NW and Republic in that mix.....
56 Dc863 : That was the plan. But it didn't work out that way. PA was to have been a much smaller carrier flying to LAmerica. I think there was an idea floating
57 NYCAA : Oh my gosh....you don't seem to get it. They were not terminated. When the A310 was phased out for the 767, depending on the seniority of the A310 Ca
58 LawnDart : Amazing that the merger announcement is less than 24 hours old, and already the negative comments made with certainty flourish about something that i
59 CV880 : What kind of statement is this? The benefits are reciprocal. Period. Right now, they are ZED-medium between the two airlines. If you are a NW employe
60 MaverickM11 : It's easier and more rewarding to screw someone else over. These self righteous unions talk about, you know, union but will stab each other in the ba
61 USAFDO : If the 2 pilot groups are apart of ALPA, and they ALREADY have legally written seniority intergration procedures in place already..... how is it possi
62 CRJ200FAGuy : He doesn't work for NW, but one of NW's regionals. Therefore he can have pass benefits with DL and NW already. 9E flies for both and NW has far super
63 Brandonfs88 : Kinda wounder whats going to happen with Air Wisconsin employees at places like MBS, TVC, AZO, Etc.... when the contract is up
64 ABQopsHP : Maverick has it right. The unions will do anything to "one up" the other in order to get an edge. As I was leaving HP after the merger with US, I had
65 Rwy04LGA : Oh, goodie...more union drivel. We share a terminal at LGA and I've already started talking up the ladies in baggage claim. Hong Kong...here I come!
66 Jetlanta : And yet, Air Canada is infinitely stronger now than pre-merger. I've never understood why we place such great importance on the feelings of certain l
67 Dc863 : No I do get it. Just speaking of what is quite likely to happen that's all.
68 Nwaesc : Please explain why you perceive this to be "drivel."
69 M404 : While comparing the letters each CEO wrote to their employees I noticed a little difference in the wording on Mr. Steenlands'. " • There are no invo
70 Bobnwa : Where did you come up with that fiction? Never happened !!!
71 Apodino : There is absolutely no way this can happen. What type a crew happens to fly at a particular time has nothing to do with whether or not he gets let go
72 Mayor : The WA people all went through an interview process. In this case, since they would technically already be DL employees, it would be the same as when
73 MSYPI7185 : My past experience with mergers tell me that this statement means: If your station is to be affected by downsizing or the contract vendor remaining i
74 Burnsie28 : You can't just be let go, its a seniority based system, and I doubt DL will get rid of 32 A330's, which are more fuel efficient than their 767's. Sim
75 Isitsafenow : Yeah, I do. Between the two carriers there will be lots of attrition the next couple of years. Thats why I believe that no Front line employees will
76 764flyer : Have a pass related question...and it might be a nice reprieve from the back and forth vitriol on here. As a DL retiree, does anyone know what pass be
77 DeltaL1011man : They say there keeping close to the same number of jobs. Yes. I use buddy passes all the time and fly alone. They get 8 S2s and all the S3s they can
78 Lono : When the WA merger happened we were told we would be offered a job.. however the offer may not include your current city... and those who choose not
79 Nwaesc : Do you think maybe your Aunt learned some valuable lessons from her experiences? I'm guessing she has. Maybe the next time you visit, you should ask
80 NYCAA : Actually its 6 S2's, unilimited domestic S3's, and 18 (9rt) intl. Beyond the $50 annual activation fee there is no per pass charge for anyone. The on
81 Nwaesc : You may be suprised to hear me agree with you on all counts. A couple of things, though: Not sure how it is at other carriers, but at NW, getting cau
82 NwAflyer07 : The Q&A sheet from NW states that "Delta and Northwest employees will enjoy reciprocal pass privileges on both airlines’ worldwide networks, beginn
83 Lono : And I forgot.... I got demoted from a supervisor to a regular CSA.... so yes you may be offered a job... but not at your current pay or position... g
84 NYCAA : That's the thing none of us will turn anyone in. Even when a passenger has sent a letter in stating they saw someone sleeping onboard and of course,
85 MaverickM11 : You should always be prepared for "interesting" times. It's a job, not a lifetime appointment, and things always change. Always.
86 CRJ200FAGuy : The question I have is how they define Delta/ Northwest employees. Do the regional people still only get to fly on their respective mainline carrier?
87 MSYPI7185 : I had to walk a very very fine line, as I was a union officer and a Ramp Lead. If we had someone who was not pulling their weight we as union reps wo
88 Lono : I agree.... interesting things are going to happen... people will be worrying about their jobs and wont have time to worry about non rev travel privi
89 Connies4ever : AC is much stronger now due to reorganisation under Company & Creditors Arrangement Act (more or less Canadian equivalent of ch. 11) and basically pa
90 NwAflyer07 : Good questions, i'm not sure of the answers though. I wonder how they'll mesh the priorities together. I know most NW managers are priority 3. I, an
91 NWAESC : My guess is that the "rankings" themselves would stay the same, but the codes would change. For example, an active employee would still be at whateve
92 CV880 : If DL mgmt wants this merger to work, there's no way that boarding priorities should be anything other than fair. I believe that Comair (being wholly
93 Nasmal : I know that almost any NWA employee that works in the corporate office or position get a priority of 3 and all other employees get 5's(Pilots, FA's, C
94 WorldTraveler : DL has no unions other than ALPA and the dispatchers because they don't play one group against the other. Class based pass benefits are over the day
95 Rwy04LGA : ...of unions. I have been a union member at my 'day' job for the past 29 years!! I know whereof I speak. You forgot the 'NW pilots want the top 2000
96 Nwaesc : It was you who made the assertion in this thread. Please back it up with fact here, and not with an invitation to root through 9,000 other ones. Here
97 NWAESC : Just for clarification of the NWA policy, if you're covered under a CBA, you fly on a 5. If you're not (regardless if you're IT, mgmt., what have you
98 Mayor : There's even more ex-EA people out there and THEY had a union. When DL did their first layoffs (the first in their history) they actually did it in t
99 KingAir200 : There's no way that a definite us vs them mentality doesn't develop if and when this deal goes through. Good luck Richard in unifying that.
100 Mayor : True, but most of that will be between the pilot groups and that's something (if they're the professionals they claim to be) must work out amongst th
101 NwAflyer07 : Like Mayor said, I believe the pilots will be the ones struggling the most with that. Of course there will be little "culture wars," if you will, ove
102 Mayor : There were "cultural" wars during the first few weeks of the DL/WA merger. At SLC we had gone from 5 flights a day to about 160, overnight. There wer
103 Post contains links Fanfan : IAG just put out a podcast titled Mergers and Shotgun Weddings - how apt for what is going on. http://iagblog.podomatic.com/entry/2008-04-17T09_25_48-
104 Post contains links NW748i : Check it: http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1208318661.html Excerpt: "Stevens said in a letter to members that Delta chief executive Richard Anderson
105 WorldTraveler : so it's really an anti-union policy rather than a mgmt policy? yes, and they have rec'd higher productivity than other carriers. NW is unique in that
106 DALMD88 : I've read through all the posts and there hasn't been much input from the side of MTC. From what I have heard is NW has somewhere around 2000 mechanic
107 Rwy04LGA : Is it or is it not true that NW pilots wanted the top 2000 spots on the combined seniority list and wanted DL pilots to get the bottom 1000 on the lis
108 DeltaL1011man : And then you get to see you lost how much for the "union dues". Man i wish i could pay someone to speak for me and most of the time screw me over in
109 CRJ200FAGuy : That would be a no. You have to list for first and you pay for it. I think it's like $38 each way domestically. Most of the time it's elite members w
110 Jblake1 : I don't know much about pilot seniority but would it be fair to do the following? Seeing how there were a bunch of senior Delta pilot retirements prio
111 Bobnwa : I think you are wrong. If F is available you get it as a non-rev. I do agree with you about the elite members, they get almost all domestic F seats.
112 NWAESC : Actually, they're all in MSP or DTW. One of the best things that could come out of this merger would be DL MTX taking over from the 3rd party vendors
113 Jblake1 : Here is what the current policy is: "For domestic travel, if any segment of the itinerary is flown in first class, the employee will be assessed the
114 Rwy04LGA : Hmm....I hope Delta's policy continues and not NWs. With the exception of the once-yearly fee of $50, there are NO costs/fees for domestic travel, Co
115 Nwaesc : I would hope that the best policies of both would be assimilated into one new policy. I know you were asking Jblake, but I have some questions for yo
116 Rwy04LGA : DOH Over 8 No 330s to/from SFO, PDX, and SEA?
117 ARGinLON : I have a question for people working at NW's HQS in not unionised jobs (>e.g.: pricing, scheduling, rev mgmt, planning, marketing, etc). What's the "v
118 MaverickM11 : Yeah. Blackmail. That'll work out great. It's a tool to attract/retain management employees, when you can't actually pay them anything near what they
119 ARGinLON : Some airlines offer a better pass class for mgmt employess to make their jobs a bit more attractive. Remember mgmt employees have 9am-5pm jobs Mon-Fr
120 Dl1011 : Maybe she got screwed by the company and not the union? I was never much of a union person. Why bother? I worked for delta, was paid as much or more
121 Nwaesc : Correct. By the way, just as an aside to any DL'ers reading this, the A330 is about as "ramp-friendly" of widebody that you'll ever see/work. Thanks
122 Rwy04LGA : H How so? The 767 seems decent enough.
123 WorldTraveler : actually, I believe it is not enough NW mechanics to amount to 35% of the combined DL workforce. DL's AMTs would have to unionize before the merger i
124 NWAESC : Below wing: Fully automated loading system, lots of rollers, no loading bar (like on the DC10), no exposed floor beams, locks at every spot already i
125 Lono : Excellent post D1011.... people think DL is the end all of airlines... but they are not... and they do treat employees badly... I too have been more
126 CV880 : Let's face it, at one time or another, all of the airlines have been guilty of not having the employees' best interests at heart and DL is no excepti
127 Midex461 : Second! I'd hate to see DL policy go by the wayside I absolutely love the fact that, even though I'm over 23, I still get pass privileges. Yeah, I ha
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