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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 13720 times:
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Welcome to thread #30, in thread #29, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3919758/ we learnt and discussed:

- NZs extra bags fee and increasing the first bag limit to 30kgs
- SkyJet Pacific us being investigated by the Police for fraud
- NZ operates a B777 into PPT!
- TZ going under and their spare B752s
- Kapiti Coast District Council gives Paraparaumu Airport the go head for its $450m redevelopment
- Airbus and NZ had talks
- NZ will allow pax to send txt messages on domestic flights
- NZs B789s are officially delayed, and NZ is seeking compensation
- NZs PVG/PEK services and freight
- NZs B772 routes
- AKL-LAX-AKL at X-mas time
- NZ says no to a disabled pax

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 13723 times:



Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
NZ will allow pax to send txt messages on domestic flights

I thought that was just speculation?


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 13708 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 1):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
NZ will allow pax to send txt messages on domestic flights

I thought that was just speculation?

They want it to happen, but the CAA have to change the rules first to allow it.

NZ1


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 13674 times:

Any thoughts upon the likely impact on Air NZ of the imminent recession in the USA and the credit crunch in the UK.

My amateur hour thoughts are as follows:

1. Events on the USA seem more likely to affect the LCC / discount ends of the market more than long-haul business and leisure travellers, so any slowdown is more likely to affect Economy Class loads.

2. The UK is not headed for recession but has a credit crunch. Unemployment remains low and interest rates are falling, so the people and companies flying long-haul if anything should be more cashed up.

Air NZ looks set to "think small" until the 787-9 arrives in 2012-14, with no new long-haul aircraft or routes apart from 777-300ERs replacing the 747.

I'm not sure that that is actually the lowest risk approach. In case US visitor number do fall I would have thought that it would be safer to extend NZ5/6 AKL-LAX onto Manchester, NZ 7/8 AKL-SFO onto Frankfurt and the AKL-YVR flight onto London, to ensure that even if US passengers no longer fill the most profitable seats then at least British or German passengers will instead.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 13677 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 2):

Any idea on what amount of work NZ need to do in order for it to happen?


User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 13670 times:



Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 1):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
NZ will allow pax to send txt messages on domestic flights

I thought that was just speculation?

If texting was allowed in-flight, I think it would be good. Passengers can text their travel arrangements or airport pick ups while enroute. Should be good for the business travelers too. One thing though, with pax phones on, I'm sure there will be a lot receiving and making phone calls. Sitting next to someone talking on the phone the whole way would drive anyone mad after a while.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 13652 times:
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Quoting NZ747 (Reply 5):

I also think being allowed to txt in-flight would be fantastic, especially during delays/diversions etc, but I hope phone calls is never allowed.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 13651 times:
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Does anyone know (AerorobNZ?) why todays NZs AKL-RAR flight was diverted to PPT?

User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 13619 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
Does anyone know (AerorobNZ?) why todays NZs AKL-RAR flight was diverted to PPT?

I'm going to Vaitape tomorrow, so I'll buy the paper and let you know! Tuesday's flight is usually an A320 with an engineer aboard, so if something tech went wrong he probably figured it was more fixable at PPT where they can do some Airbus maintenance.

On a related topic, the government which bails out Air Tahiti Nui may fall tomorrow, with the Mayor of Bora Bora expected to become President, in which case BOB may well be upgraded to be able to handle Air NZ A320s from RAR to pick up and drop off LAX passengers. I'll keep you posted (sorry!)


User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 13591 times:

I'll repeat my post from #29, that in my opinion ANZ should have aquired A332s to replace the B763s at around the time the A320s were ordered. Combined with a smaller order of leased B772s, this would have allowed the B763 routes to be operated by the A332s (in a 32J210Y config, similar to that of NW), ie the Japan, PVG and PEK services, where the payload advantages of the A332 over the B763 could be exploited, and the capacity would be more suitable that the B772s currently plying those routes. The B772s would then have been fitted with a larger premium section (J and U), and been used on the SFO, YVR, and maybe Koruman's PPT-LAX services.
This way, by the time the B789s were delivered ANZ could replace the approx. 10 year old A332s which would do alright on the secondhand market whether leased or owned, and then the leased B772s.
If anyone has thoughts or suggestions I'd be interested in hearing them?

Regards,
Yorden



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 13562 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 8):

The people I know who were on the RAR-AKL flight finally got back home in WLG at 7.30pm, so it was a bloody long delay, compared to the scheduled 9.30am arrival into WLG


User currently offlineJamie86 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 13554 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 3):
NZ 7/8 AKL-SFO onto Frankfurt

Wouldnt this be the long way round for germans? Im sure they would prefure to go through Asia as its quicker and they dnt have to go through the states.



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 13541 times:



Quoting SXI899 (Reply 9):
I'll repeat my post from #29, that in my opinion ANZ should have aquired A332s to replace the B763s at around the time the A320s were ordered.

Should have, but they were on their knees post-Ansett.

The real problem was that they lacked the guts when the 777 was ordered to buy a large enough number of long-haul aircraft, and they bet the company on timely delivery of the 787.

There were two ways the airline could have been grown in the years up to 787/A350 delivery:

Option 1 - Boeing
7 x 777-300ER (AKL-LHR via LAX and HKG)
20 x 777-200ER (AKL-YVR-LHR, AKL-LAX-MAN, AKL-SFO-FRA, SYD-LAX, MEL-SFO, China, Japan, Pacific)
8 x 777-200LR (SYD-AKL-GRU, AKL-MEL-JNB, AKL-PER-LHR)

Option 2 - Airbus
7 x A380 (AKL-LHR via LAX and HKG)
20 x A330-200
8 x A340-500

These aircraft should have been delivered 2005-08 for ten years until delivery of the 787 or A350. A Hong Kong Koruhub would have needed 12-14 more A330-200 or 777-200ER.

Instead there are 21 long-haul aircraft instead of 35 which is insufficient to open anything new, so the 777s end up being wasted as freighters to China or as troop-carriers.

If any airline fits the profile of the 777-200LR or A345 it is Air NZ, with its lengthy trans-oceanic sectors. And if the airline had bought 35 777s or Airbuses instead of 8 it would have got even better terms and delivery slots.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 13533 times:
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Quoting Jamie86 (Reply 11):

FRA-SFO-AKL is 19685kms and FRA-HKG-AKL is 18326kms, but add on FRA-LHR. I think LH is direct FRA-SFO, so maybe via SFO is quicker?


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 13533 times:



Quoting Jamie86 (Reply 11):
Quoting Koruman (Reply 3):
NZ 7/8 AKL-SFO onto Frankfurt

Wouldnt this be the long way round for germans? Im sure they would prefure to go through Asia as its quicker and they dnt have to go through the states.

Not at all. Only around 800 miles difference, but with the opportunity to sell a block (100?) of tickets to Lufthansa for the FRA-SFO sector, leaving minimal risk to Air NZ as the existing AKL-SFO leg does fine.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 13524 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
Quoting SXI899 (Reply 9):
I'll repeat my post from #29, that in my opinion ANZ should have aquired A332s to replace the B763s at around the time the A320s were ordered.

Should have, but they were on their knees post-Ansett.

The real problem was that they lacked the guts when the 777 was ordered to buy a large enough number of long-haul aircraft, and they bet the company on timely delivery of the 787.

At the time of AN going under, NZ couldn't afford a big order like what you suggested should have been ordered, so they had to settle on 8x B772ERs and 2x B788s, with 30-40 odd options of both types. I'm hoping that the B787 delay will result in more B777 option conversions as interim lift/expansion, and then further expansion once the B787s arrive


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 13516 times:

Koruman, do you really think that Gaston Tong-Sang would really want his island (Bora Bora) opened as a commercial international port. I think it does so well being so exclusive and hard to get to. Yes, his To Tatou Aia party may get in tomorrow, but I can't see Bora Bora becoming an international airport to anything other than private jets.

BTW, how long is the runway (on BOB)?

Regards
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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13488 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 16):

BTW, how long is the runway (on BOB)?

1500m.


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13482 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
Should have, but they were on their knees post-Ansett.

The real problem was that they lacked the guts when the 777 was ordered to buy a large enough number of long-haul aircraft, and they bet the company on timely delivery of the 787.

There were two ways the airline could have been grown in the years up to 787/A350 delivery:

Option 1 - Boeing
7 x 777-300ER (AKL-LHR via LAX and HKG)
20 x 777-200ER (AKL-YVR-LHR, AKL-LAX-MAN, AKL-SFO-FRA, SYD-LAX, MEL-SFO, China, Japan, Pacific)
8 x 777-200LR (SYD-AKL-GRU, AKL-MEL-JNB, AKL-PER-LHR)

Option 2 - Airbus
7 x A380 (AKL-LHR via LAX and HKG)
20 x A330-200
8 x A340-500

These aircraft should have been delivered 2005-08 for ten years until delivery of the 787 or A350. A Hong Kong Koruhub would have needed 12-14 more A330-200 or 777-200ER.

Instead there are 21 long-haul aircraft instead of 35 which is insufficient to open anything new, so the 777s end up being wasted as freighters to China or as troop-carriers.

If any airline fits the profile of the 777-200LR or A345 it is Air NZ, with its lengthy trans-oceanic sectors. And if the airline had bought 35 777s or Airbuses instead of 8 it would have got even better terms and delivery slots.

NZ now has too many old planes that competitors can serve the same markets with more efficient planes .. The 744 is beaten with the A380 the 767 with the A330 and even all our new and future 777's will be old technology when the A350 arrives i wish instead of ordering the new 777 family to replace the 744 NZ had gone with the A350 to have a total long haul of new generation aircraft ..



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13446 times:



Quoting Nzrich (Reply 18):
NZ now has too many old planes that competitors can serve the same markets with more efficient planes .. The 744 is beaten with the A380 the 767 with the A330 and even all our new and future 777's will be old technology when the A350 arrives i wish instead of ordering the new 777 family to replace the 744 NZ had gone with the A350 to have a total long haul of new generation aircraft ..

Agreed. I think the optimum future long-haul fleet for NZ would be a mix of A388, A351, A359, 789 & 788.

MH



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 13402 times:

Bora Bora airport has a 4921 foot runway (27 feet shorter than London City, which has A318 flights to the USA). But it also has unused WW2 concrete areas either end of the runway which could be resurfaced.

No-one is talking about BOB getting widebody services or replacing PPT as the main international gateway. But the idea is that instead of the current ATR72 services it could get feeder A320s from Rarotonga, allowing Star Alliance frequent flyers from key Star hubs like Los Angeles, San Francisco and Phoenix to fly all the way to BOB while earning points and status, which they have been unable to do since NZ pulled out of LAX-PPT, since when visitors from those three cities have fallen by 25%. The distance RAR-BOB is shorter than AKL-DUD, so the aircraft would have a very low weight and not need a long runway. At RAR it would meet a retimed AKL-RAR-LAX service.

You could operate the 767 AKL-RAR-LAX and the A320 AKL-RAR-BOB and you would also ensure that Australians and New Zealanders could get to BOB without having to transit Papeete. If you were feeling really brave you could coordinate it with the A320 CHC-RAR-CHC to allow LAX-RAR-CHC without transiting Auckland either, which would knock two hours off the journey by avoiding the terminal change at AKL.

If you were a frequent flyer in the western USA and had the choice what would you rather do - fly LAX-PPT-BOB and earn zero points, and have to overnight in both directions in PPT, or fly LAX-RAR-BOB and have your whole vacation on BOB and earn points and status with UA/US/AC?

And do you really think that two or three A320s per week arriving at 8 am and departing at 930 am would spoil the island?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 13401 times:
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Air fares to rise as fuel prices jump


Air fares are set to rise next month after jet fuel prices reached record highs in the past week.


Air New Zealand said domestic and international fares were under review and a decision would be made at the end of the month, if fuel prices remained at present levels.

Jet fuel cost more than US$136 a barrel in Singapore yesterday, peaking at nearly US$141 on Friday.

The airline raised most domestic and trans-Tasman fares by 3 per cent last month after fuel prices reached US$130 a barrel, up nearly 70 per cent in the past year

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4481659a11.html


User currently offlineKnid From New Zealand, joined Aug 2005, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 13388 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply Thread29):
What confuses me is that NZ should run the extra NZ3/4 services at the same time as they offer the cheap Grabaseat deal. If getting bums on seats was such an issue over the Christmas period, why on earth wouldn't they just can the NZ3/4 services?

This is a very good question!

Quoting Koruman (Reply 3):
1. Events on the USA seem more likely to affect the LCC / discount ends of the market more than long-haul business and leisure travellers, so any slowdown is more likely to affect Economy Class loads.

On the whole I agree, however It depends on how bad things get, if it gets really bad, companies will start to cut costs were ever legally possible, if this means that employees fly economy for even a marginal discount over the business rate, it may happen.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 3):
2. The UK is not headed for recession but has a credit crunch. Unemployment remains low and interest rates are falling, so the people and companies flying long-haul if anything should be more cashed up.

Theoretically I would also agree, but since it's amateur hour, what psychological effects would the events in the US, and around the world have on the spending habits of consumers. Although they may have more $$$ they may feel inclined to use it to reduce debt. Counterintuitive, but we are a pretty weird species.

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 18):

NZ now has too many old planes that competitors can serve the same markets with more efficient planes .. The 744 is beaten with the A380 the 767 with the A330 and even all our new and future 777's will be old technology when the A350 arrives i wish instead of ordering the new 777 family to replace the 744 NZ had gone with the A350 to have a total long haul of new generation aircraft ..


But thats just how things work, you cant wait forever to buy the newest technology, otherwise you will never buy anything.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13341 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 20):
If you were feeling really brave you could coordinate it with the A320 CHC-RAR-CHC to allow LAX-RAR-CHC without transiting Auckland

I've long thought that NZ should still consider running 767s on a through service LAX-RAR-CHC-MEL twice weekly, which would have the effect of (a) bolstering traffic on the existing LAX-RAR leg, which we know is weak, (b) restoring a direct WB link from CHC to North America - which exporters in particular would welcome (though I assume there would be weight restrictions heading for the USA out of RAR - can anyone confirm this?), and which would not "cannibalise" AKL-LAX to the same extent as the nonstop CHC-LAX services did, (c) provide better frequency for MEL passengers going to RAR than is presently the case, and (d) restore NZ wide-body service across the Tasman from CHC, which would give the possibility of recapturing some of the freight lost to QF since they (and EK) offer the only WB services to Australia from there, but to SYD only.

And if you follow that line of thinking, why not also run LAX-APW-TBU-WLG? Polynesian ran a direct link WLG-TBU-APW link for many years - until Polynesian Blue came on the scene in fact - so there must be some kind of market from WLG to the Pacific Islands. While pax would probably prefer to transit AKL on a one-stop service to LAX than to transit both TBU and APW, again exporters would probably welcome the freight possibilities.

As with the concept of a HKG hub for European services, the outcome would be that WLG and CHC could be given some limited long-haul capacity by linking to existing services from other ports that to the present are flown (or were flown) by narrow-bodied aircraft.

The same logic could have been applied to the 3x weekly NAN-LAX link - I could not for the life of me see why the airline could not have flown 2 x weekly CHC-NAN-LAX and 1 x weekly WLG-NAN-LAX, replacing the current seasonal services on CHC-NAN and WLG-NAN. Alas, that possibility now seems well in the past. Add in the RAR and TBU/APW services proposed above, and you could have had a total of four one-stop services a week from CHC-LAX, and two services from WLG-LAX with only a very small increase in aircraft flying time.



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 13319 times:

I know that when the 767 is full of cargo, it can only carry about 100 or so pax NAN-LAX. Assume it would be the same for RAR-LAX, so when it has a decent pax load the cargo space would be negligible.


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25 DavidByrne : That may have been a significant factor in determining the viability of the NAN-LAX route - they could carry pax or cargo, in effect, but not both. A
26 SunriseValley : What is QF known as , Air Sydney I believe. What is NZ known as ...guess......a clue...two words both starting with "A".
27 SunriseValley : They ordered the 787...there was no A350 at that time. Is not the 787 new enough technology for you? If you are referring to the 77W order, they will
28 777ER : The PH flight into WLG was very popular. When FJ started up a friday NAN-WLG service, that also proved popular. I worked both arriving flights at WLG
29 NZ1 : I guess they just have to push their case hard, and prove it won't affect on board avionics etc. NZ1
30 Post contains links 777ER : Wellington airport passengers on the rise Wellington Airport's passenger numbers have continued to rise following its inclusion in Pacific Blue domest
31 Nzrich : Im happy they have ordered the 787 was really comparing the fleet today with whats available now the 787 is not available now .. I just wish the A350
32 Post contains links NZA320 : Hamilton-Norfolk Island flight begins The first Norfolk Air charter flight between Norfolk Island and Hamilton will touch down in Hamilton tomorrow. N
33 MotorHussy : Norfolk Air will soon be using a 737-300 series operated by Nauru's Our Airline which is reportedly taking delivery of their second classic in the ne
34 777ER : At the time the A350 didn't stack up compared to what was on offer thou. NZs habbit of ordering an aircraft thats about to be replaced by another see
35 Post contains links 777ER : Additional charge for hijack accused A Somali woman charged with hijacking an aircraft now faces a weapon charge. In the Christchurch District Court y
36 GarethW : A positive out of a negative situation, great stuff. Short lead business is the holy grail in most industries, airlines included I would imagine. Did
37 NZA320 : Nope, NZ didn't offer Oasis passengers special deals, more money for NZ I guess . But Cathy Pacific did put on 2 extra flights with some special fare
38 767er : Does anyone know why NZ700 SYD AKL with a 7am departure is routinely cancelled or runs over an hour late (sorry don’t have exact stats)? With the ca
39 777ER : As the article said, NZ didn't offer any special fares, but CX did and put on 2 extra flights for the affected pax with special fares on all seats
40 Alangirvan : Air New Zealand Increases Sydney to Queenstown Direct to Five Times a Week for Ski Season Air New Zealand ’s popular direct service from Sydney to Q
41 777ER : Certainly shows that ZQN is popular, and people obviously can afford to fly directly into ZQN
42 Alangirvan : (Sorry, I pasted the AirNZ release in, and I lost the layout from the release. I hope it makes sense.)
43 Nzrich : With regard to the A350 i was meaning when the 2nd 777 order was made .. Then it was competing against the new improved A350 .. Yes NZ does seem to o
44 DavidByrne : Practically speaking, NZ faced a pretty clear choice. It could have ordered 77Ws for 2010 delivery and started to phase out the fuel-thirsty 744s the
45 SunriseValley : True, but this might make them selective about maintaining city pairs that are under performing versus the possibilities they see for new city pairs
46 Post contains links Macilree : Flight Global has just posted a report on the competition to replace Mount Cook's 11 ATR 72s. The contenders are reported to be the ATR 72-500/600, th
47 777ER : But the A350 is an unproven design, so its not a win/win situation Thats already been reported months ago
48 Post contains links 777ER : Plane part crashes through house roof A small mechanical part likely to have been from a light plane smashed through the roof of a house near Hastings
49 SXI899 : I picked up one thing in the Flight Global article that might be interesting with regard to the competition to replace the NM ATRs. Should the E-Jets
50 Koruman : With respect David, that was not the choice Air NZ had. The 777-300ER order was only ever intended to cover two flights - NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR and NZ38/
51 GarethW : When said like that, it's pretty clear that the A380 option should have been taken to maximise the LHR slots and increase both premium and Y capacity
52 JoFMO : NZ appointed a new sales manager for continental Europe. He is quoted as saying that in the last 9 month alone the German grew by 50%! He also says th
53 Mariner : Was that ever a realistic option, Koruman? I don't know - I wasn't here - but since I have been back I have sensed a "resistance" to Airbus here in N
54 DavidByrne : Yes, I concede that NZ could have ordered the A380 to cover the LHR flights, but it would have been in my view a bit of a gamble. At the time the ord
55 DavidByrne : The irony was that most of the article was about the troubled times at Boeing with the 787 schedule - with references also to the A380 difficulties.
56 TG992 : NZ paid absolutely nothing for the HKG-LHR flight slots. Don't know the details of the deal, but apparently QF were furious since they'd just paid 80
57 DavidByrne : How so? That's extraordinary - can anyone enlighten?
58 Aussie_ : From another forum, apparently Pacific Blue are ramping up BNE-AKL to 10x weekly. This is in addition to upgrades to BNE-NAN (now daily) and an additi
59 Post contains links Mariner : then there must have been two different versions of the article. I read this one: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4482990a1864.html In which the 787 del
60 SunriseValley : And double their cargo capacity with the 77W to about 25t on a typical 5500nm leg. Great opportunity for incremental revenue.
61 DavidByrne : Maybe I was recalling a different article altogether - sorry if that was the case.
62 DavidByrne : I'm interested in that, too. What are the factors which are causing this "unhappiness" - to the extent that many are saying that they will be replace
63 DavidByrne : From today's Wairarapa Times-Age Eagle Air will take flight in September at a cost of $1.17m, says Masterton Mayor Garry Daniell. Mr Daniell yesterday
64 Rongotai : . I've just been up to VLI and they are talking there about NZ starting a 2nd. weekly flight. Is this news? Or has it already been announced? I was a
65 AerorobNZ : I didn't check today, sorry NZ700 is an A320. I'm not sure why that flight features on the xxld list so much, but it is often a technical fault such
66 ZKSUJ : Anyone know if the domestic jet services to regional ports are still going ahead? If so, when?
67 777ER : I've heard from several NZ employees that one of the reasons is cause of its height compared to the 737s, as it requires extra man power which result
68 DavidByrne : Is this in terms specifically of the 30-min turnarounds that are required for domestic service? Or is this an issue with the 50-60 min turnarounds th
69 777ER : That I havn't a clue. I've noticed thou that the A320s take longer on domestic
70 ANstar : There are load's of LCC's that can turn A320's in 30 mins....
71 Post contains links NZ1 : Report backs Shanghai Crew Base http://www.stuff.co.nz/4486660a11.html Not that I ever thought there would be a problem with it. NZ were just followin
72 Post contains links Mariner : I don't understand why - or how - the height would affect the turnarounds. I accept the fact that they are more used to the 737, but it doesn't seem
73 AerorobNZ : NZ 320 flights all have cans (except the NLK sectors) which means more loaders required than a 737.. NZ international 320 flights have turns of 50 mi
74 Mariner : Which - presumably - would apply to Air NZ 737's as well. mariner
75 777ER : With the B737 classics, these can be loaded by hand from the ground, but with the A320s, these can't be cause they are higher off the ground, so they
76 ZKSUJ : A can is also known in slang as a toilet On the serious note, I'd like to know what it is as well
77 TG992 : Cans = Cargo containers
78 Mariner : I still don't see this as a problem. It doesn't affect the turnaround time anywhere else, and as far as cost is concerned, some of the airlines that
79 GarethW : Are no 737s capable of carrying 'cans'? BTW thanks for the new expression. Something else I can say to all and sundry in my real life that no-one wil
80 Nzrich : Yes both fleets have the same catering and it takes the same time to cater both fleets !!! No they are not made for cans under the cabin in the holds
81 777ER : Thanks TG992 for the answer to cans Do Easyjet, Tiger carry cargo containers? No they don't. Not carrying cargo containers helps in turn around times
82 Aerokiwi : Good to see someone can put things into historical context, thanks 777ER. The global aviation sector was in a mess at the time (post 9/11) and it was
83 Georgebush : The cans are what we call the the cargo containers like TG992 said. They are the big metal bins you see being loaded by machines onto the aircraft. T
84 Mariner : I don't know about those particular airlines, but I know that a number of airlines that fly the A320 and do carry cargo containers. They don't seem t
85 Georgebush : Thats why we wait and put the cargo and the next 320 departure! The only reason NLK doesnt use cans is because they lack the equipment on the ground
86 Mariner : Sorry, I'm confused. Are you saying you don't put bulk cargo on the 737? mariner
87 Alangirvan : I thought that Freedom flights from DUD and other NZ ports were operated across the Tasman without cans, so two A320s standing beside each other at an
88 ANstar : What do JQ use?
89 777ER : Only positive thing is your arms would get a bloody good workout! Thanks. All the Intl A320 flights I've done, havn't been delayed due to loading, bu
90 Post contains links Mariner : On the A320: http://www.aviationnews.com.au/News_..._Stories/0006973-JetStarDarwin.htm "Jetstar%u2019s new fleet of A320s feature 177 all leather, ex
91 GarethW : Easyjet actually operate A319s, not A320s according to their website. Not sure if the 319 can carry cans?
92 Mariner : Yes, they do. And yes, they (A319) can carry cargo containers. The A318 is the only member of the A320 family that cannot. mariner[Edited 2008-04-18
93 ANstar : Actually, answered my own quesiton. Jetstar A320's do use containers
94 777ER : Easyjets Airbuses are A319s but have been configured like the A320s on the outside, ie the two over-wing exits on each side, and have been crammed fu
95 Mariner : That's true, that's why I used Easyjet in the first place. They have 156 seats, which is about 20 more than many operators. It has to be tight. I bel
96 777ER : Correct. Once the 733 interior upgrade starts with bigger Y+ style seats up front, NZ will still have 136 seats as a result of re-designing the galle
97 Mariner : Which again, was my point. It has to be tight inside that aircraft and getting 'em all off and the new pax on, plus any cleaning and restocking that
98 REALDEAL : So what will Our Airline be doing with all this extra capacity ? With 1 x 733, parked at BNE about 3 days a week. Nothing on ourairline.com.au about
99 Georgebush : Only if it is a top priority consignment, or there is no 320 serivce the day it must be shipped (again top priority). The 737's have limited hold spa
100 Koruman : You are missing the point here. Air NZ opted for the 344 pax 777-300ER because they intended to operate 3 or 4 daily flights into Heathrow, via HKG,
101 ANstar : I agree... and pricing a BIZ ticket from OOL-HLZ the same as SYD-AKL is madness.....
102 Mariner : Obviously, Nauru (and Norfolk Island) need air transport, but I am completely baffled by "Our Airline". I have real trouble seeing how it can be viab
103 Koruman : In total contrast, I'm a paternalistic dinosaur. I remember an opinion poll a few years ago on the 40th anniversary of Jamaica's independence, which
104 Aerokiwi : Uh where did you get this from? Are you presuming this or did NZ actually state it somewhere? If so, could you please provide a source?
105 Post contains links Mariner : I was trying to avoid the political, Koruman. I guess I failed. Seriously, there is possibly not a lot of disagreement between us about the post-colo
106 777ER : The case of Tongan's national carrier and operating B752s for their flights is a good example of this. Many Pacific Islands like status and having bi
107 DavidByrne : The timing of the OOL-AKL services is determined more by the need to keep A320 utilisation high - in practice, to be able to achieve two return trips
108 Koruman : If only that was true....... There is an 0830 or 0930 flight from the Gold Coast to Auckland three days per week. But on a Thursday and on a Saturday
109 Alangirvan : The SAS solution has already been tried. SAS have been hired as consultants, and they stressed that co operation was the way to go. I think this was
110 DavidByrne : I think we're talking at cross-purposes, K'man. I thought you were complaining that the early flight was too early for a connection, and the late fli
111 DavidByrne : Yes, there are no easy answers here. I personally favour an airline where NZ is the majority or at least most significant shareholder, and if it was
112 Koruman : It depends really. The morning OOL-AKL flights leave a five hour transit outwards at AKL before flights to North America and London but cut return tr
113 DavidByrne : Yes, that could of course be done (though there would undoubtedly be some scheduling issues to grapple with). You're quite correct that the morning d
114 Post contains links Axio : I apologize for going hoarse asking... but what happened to the regional jet routes announcement? The routes were due out sometime in March according
115 777ER : I believe this has been put on hold, till NZ can get enough B737s.
116 Alangirvan : In today's Otago Daily Times, report of the opening of the new Te Anau Airport. The opening was spoiled by bad weather (which comes with the territory
117 Rwy21 : You bet me to posting that was just reading that article, From the article the Te Anau community board chairman Ron Egan said he hoped Mainland Air w
118 Post contains links Koruman : I promise that I will stop crapping on about this, but anyone doubting that Bora Bora's 5000 foot airstrip could be upgraded to take A320s from Raroto
119 ETA Unknown : With regards to Nauru and airline service, my personal thoughts are the Nauruan Govt. should just pay FJ to route two flights a week NAN-INU-HIR-BNE o
120 MotorHussy : I suspect it's a matter of whether the Govt. of French Polynesia would want to and I suspect this is nowhere near top priority given the current hect
121 Koruman : The new President of French Polynesia isn't just a Bora Bora native - he has been the Mayor of Bora Bora since 1989, and his Priority Number One for
122 Knid : Do you have a link??
123 Mariner : That may well be an answer. Certainly, I think it a better solution than "Our Airline". I've never quite understood why there isn't a closer relation
124 Alangirvan : Depends who is in power in some countries, whether they take any notice of the World Bank, or anything that Australia/NZ Governments might suggest to
125 Post contains links Mariner : My reason for suggesting it is that the World Bank - through the IFC - was a prime mover in the setting up of Polynesian Blue. http://ifcln001.worldb
126 NZ747 : Wouldn't work, FJ has enough problems of its own right now without having to deal with another countries probs. We are also very very stretched for a
127 ETA Unknown : It would work if the price was right for FJ (everyone has a price)- still a cheaper option than sustaining the entire cost of Our Airline. Even if ano
128 Post contains links 777ER : Swiss bank raises its airport stake Swiss investment bank Julius Baer has emerged as a major Auckland International Airport shareholder as the company
129 Post contains images SXI899 : You might not be joking about the upgrade of Nuku Hiva, but it most definately isn't anywhere near being considered a international airport. Granted
130 Koruman : I am a realist. Air NZ isn't going to reverse the decision to drop LAX-PPT in the short-term, and the 767-300ER was hopeless for that route anyway, w
131 777ER : Air NZ expects fuel to hit profit Air New Zealand expects rising fuel prices to lower its operating profit. It said today it now did not expect to bet
132 Jamie86 : It would seem nothing exciting is happening again in NZ aviation. What are peoples view on the new arrival area at Auckland international. I think it
133 ZKSUJ : Know where I could get some pics bro?
134 Jamie86 : I cant seem to find any sorry, maybe someone coming through could take some?
135 Koruman : It is superb, a tremendous improvement, and thankfully night-time customs queues upon arrival are back under control, although daytime outbound secur
136 Alangirvan : I may have missed it before today, but advert in today's Otago Daily Times for a new twice weekly Air Pacific service CHC-NAN, One if a middle of the
137 NZ1 : Well the engineers at Air NZ have voted to give the company 14 days notice of industrial action, starting with a ban on overtime, progressing to a re
138 ZKNZA : Its not going to happen until an airline that flies domestic routes in nz, installs some form of satcom system (and associated infrastructure that ca
139 Alangirvan : Qantas already has announced that it will do this for its Australian domestic fleet, so NZ mobile phone users will be able to roam onto the Qantas se
140 Mariner : I'd love to know. But I have heard it many times - and not just here - in the three years I've been back in NZ. mariner
141 777ER : Airport bomb joke no laughing matter Two men may face charges after telling check-in staff at Hawke's Bay airport that they had bombs in their luggage
142 Jetstar315 : Jetstar use containers on the A320 fleet but on the first 3 A321s, they'll be bulk loaded until they can be converted later in the year to carry conta
143 Georgebush : You wouldnt believe the amount of idiots that do this. We have had people charged before for telling us they have bombs and dynamite in their bags. I
144 MotorHussy : Amazing that they had to do a press release for this one.
145 Koruman : I don't know what you're complaining about. Mr Fyfe deserves every cent he gets. Name one other CEO who would increase seats from NZ to China to 2198
146 DavidByrne : It's a no-win situation for our Rob. If he keeps aloof then he'll be described as remote and colourless; if he hams it up a bit he's too Branson. Per
147 VHVXB : Royal Brunei will have 3 weekly direct service to AKL from June onwards along with the current one stop service via BNE which will increase from 3 to
148 777ER : Like Gary Toomey and Ralph Norris?
149 Alangirvan : Looking at a couple of other threads, you will have seen that Alaska Airlines and Horizon have decided that Horizon will move to a single type fleet -
150 Post contains links Mariner : That's curious. Everything I have ever heard about the Q400 says exactly the opposite. Here, for example, from Alaska Air Group: http://blog.oregonli
151 Nzrich : yes but from what i have heard the ATR has better fuel efficiency but its slower but i could be wrong on that fact
152 GarethW : Correct, I've flown a lot on QF's Q400 and they say they cruise at 670kmh (roughly 360kts) which I believe is about 60kts faster through the air than
153 Koruman : I'm astonished at the suggestion that minor airports should get E jet service rather than large turboprop flights. With the price of fuel going higher
154 GarethW : Yes it funny isn't it that travelling by jets over turboprops has become so romanticised and without knowing the facts I would suggest that the tradi
155 Nicholaschee : Has anyone flown on NZ's 763s for SYD-AKL? Do they open up 15JK and 16JK? How much additional pitch are in these seats since they are crew rest seats
156 Post contains links Mariner : I am, too. March was the third month of Q400 flying for Lynx/Frontier airlines, and not all the system is yet in place. But these figures came out of
157 Post contains links 777ER : Story Airport critics fight on Opponents of the $450 million redevelopment of Paraparaumu Airport are taking their fight to the Environment Court. The
158 Nzrich : They do if the flights are full as they have to remove the enclosure around those crew rest seats .. Yes the seats have a lot more leg room and recli
159 Alangirvan : "After seeing whats happened with oil prices in the last month I think regional jets are pretty much out of the equation, for the short term anyhow.
160 Mariner : Several. Perhaps the most interesting is DEN-JAC (Jackson Hole), a high-yield, but very seasonal, mountain destination where the only direct competit
161 Alangirvan : We are starting to get off the NZ thread a bit if we spend too much time looking at Alaska/Horizon and Frontier - because experience in America will n
162 Mariner : Since you think it is off-topic, I won't answer that. I can only say there are profound and valid reasons for it. mariner
163 Alangirvan : I just mean off-topic in the sense that Frontier and Horizon may not be of so much interest to other people in the NZ thread. I am interested in your
164 Mariner : We might be snookered, then. The only reason I posted the stuff about Frontier/Horizon here was because I thought the Q400 was being discussed in rel
165 NZ107 : Well.. Now you take the Kiwijet equation into this... With oil at US$118.. I think they were planning for prices to be around $80 at least... Now it's
166 Alangirvan : I got distracted into wondering about a couple of US carriers, because I wondered was it just that the 70 seater jets are economic disasters. When you
167 Post contains links NZ107 : And very quickly offset too. Ugh that crash in Whenuapai doesn't sound too great either http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1316907/1746293 Apparently nosedi
168 Post contains links 777ER : Two die in light plane crash at Whenuapai Two people died in a light plane crash at the Royal New Zealand Air Force base at Whenuapai on Saturday. Ey
169 Post contains links 777ER : Level of fees 'not for court' Air New Zealand must go to the Commerce Commission if it believes higher landing fees set by Wellington airport are unre
170 Axio : I know there have been historical problems with Wellington Airport's approach to fee setting - but 2.85% is less than the current rate of inflation a
171 Nzrich : Yes it does not seem to bad but both WLG and AKL have been threatened with having government imposed pricing structures to them behaving in what seem
172 777ER : In Aucklands case, then make way more money then any other New Zealand airport, so price rises by then really need to be explained well. WLGs case is
173 DavidByrne : The discussion on the economics of smaller jets compared with larger turboprops is missing a critical ingredient - hard facts about the CASM of the va
174 Post contains links 777ER : Pilot lucky to survive Golden Bay crash Witnesses and rescuers of a Nelson pilot who dragged himself from the burning wreckage of a topdressing plane
175 Alangirvan : I think this information is only provided by manufacturers to serious potential operators. We can guess by looking at some other airlines overseas. O
176 Mr AirNZ : HLZ-CHC since it's introduction has been one of the fastest growing routes on the network (for a while second only to AKL-NPE). Good loads and good y
177 777ER : I've just got back in the door after flying CHC-WLG on NZ. The B733 only had around 5 empty seats, even on a late sunday night! There was only around
178 ANstar : Isn't it also the end of a long weekend and as such more people would be travelling?
179 DavidByrne : The re-equipment decision, though it's only technically to replace the ATR-72s, potentially has ramifications for other fleet decisions, such as the
180 777ER : The majority of the pax were business people, but yes its the end of the long weekend. On the morning flights, it was amazing to see how many uni pax
181 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ strike threat likely to hurt travellers Air New Zealand engineers have threatened two weeks of strike action next month with likely disruption
182 Koruman : David, at the risk of being a wet blanket, I would argue that if ever places like Dunedin and Hamilton cannot deliver profits in an A320 configured w
183 ANstar : How can you tell they were business pax? Were they all wearing suits on a late sunday evening flight? Or are you referring to the fact they weren't y
184 DavidByrne : No, please do be a wet blanket if you think that appropriate! I'm not sure whether you're saying that HLZ and DUD don't presently break even, or that
185 Koruman : That is true, but if you look at airlines like Easyjet it is probably an argument for a subfleet of A318s configured with around 130 Economy seats. C
186 Alangirvan : The A318 is the very poor selling version of the A320 family. Apparently, it does make some money for AF as part of a fleet that contains Airbus singl
187 Mariner : Air France is not the only airline that has them of course. mariner
188 DavidByrne : The accepted wisdom is that the A318 suffers from the same fate that most "shrunk" aircraft suffer - too heavy compared with the competition. In this
189 Alangirvan : Just had a drive out to pick up some people from SYD DUD flight. Plane arrived 25 minutes early - nice tailwind. Plane did not use airbridge, neither
190 BlackLabel : First bags on = last bags off. If you want priority baggage, check in late/travel in business/have status...
191 777ER : Some of the pax up front had on suits, while others were wearing tidy business mufti clothing. About 20-25% of the pax were young people like me
192 Post contains links 777ER : Fog disrupts flights at Auckland airport Thick fog blanketing Auckland has disrupted traffic at the airport, with 28 domestic flights being cancelled
193 Alangirvan : Some of them might have been pre-positioning for meetings next morning. If you are flying into Canberra during winter, you always fly in the night be
194 Xiaotung : Why was there no international flights affected? Are they running different systems? I was on a SQ B777 flight touching down last night in thick fog
195 Zkpilot : " target=_blank>http://www.stuff.co.nz/4500220a11.html Delayed flights I can see, but with AKL now having CATIIIb there should be know reason for sig
196 777ER : With the up-coming NZ engineers strike, what compensation are pax entitled to due to having a flight cancelled/delayed (delayed for 1+ hours)? Which w
197 Alangirvan : The same compensation that they get when their operation is cancelled due to a Doctors strike. Come back another time.
198 Cchan : Would an insider be able to tell me how many passengers were there on NZ81 and NZ82 on 27 April. I was on NZ82 HKG-AKL, and the 772 was almost empty,
199 ZKSUJ : Yup. It depends on the aircraft and depends if they are CATIII ILS/Autoland capable. the turboprops in NZ are not where as the Boeings and Airbuses a
200 Georgebush : Its not all the engineers, its the hanger employees and engineers who belong to the same union. Thats correct, unless the airlines rebook them more t
201 TG992 : There were about 40 pax. It was the last or second to last NZ82 from memory, so loads were light. NZ38 was also amazingly fast that night - we did 9h
202 SXI899 : Just a quick heads up. The next "new" B733, ZK-NGR, is scheduled to depart on it's delivery flight to CHC tomorrow morning. All going according to pla
203 NZL : NGP entered service on 7 April 08
204 Koruman : Don't knock it. Rob Fyfe says that each Shanghai flight averages fewer than 30 non-Chinese passengers. It's marvellous that the decision to base the
205 Cchan : Thanks. I was surprised that flight didn't get cancelled and passengers moved to NZ38. That was the last NZ82 until August. I am glad I went on that
206 Alangirvan : I have been on a 767 between SYD and CHC with only 50 pax on board, and several Australian domestic flights where there were only a handful of passeng
207 REALDEAL : received an email yesterday about special earlybird deals to USA & Canada from OZ for end of year. (book now, pay now) Return fares to USA from BNE, S
208 Alangirvan : Press Council upholds Air New Zealand complaints about Investigate Magazine Air New Zealand has welcomed a New Zealand Press Council decision upholdin
209 Alangirvan : "Ryanair will increase its baggage check-in fee to €10 ($15.62) from €9 and its airport check-in fee to €5 from €4 effective May 5. It said th
210 Georgebush : NZ82 27APR HKGAKL - 8C 10U 72Y (thats only how many were booked, so actual boarded load could possibly be less) Sorry I couldnt get the load for NZ81
211 NZ1 : Don't be too sure that the engineers strike won't happen. And while it may only be hangar employees, it has the potential to ground the 733/A320 and A
212 Cchan : Thanks. There were probably much less than 72 passengers in Y, and the Y cabin is probably more spacious than the U cabin on this flight (everyone ha
213 Axio : It was getting a little quiet in here ax
214 Alangirvan : Just read Australian Aviation today - major feature about Qantas installation of mobile phone service on A330s and 767s for Australian Domestic servic
215 JoFMO : I also hate the idea of hearing a 'beep beep' in every corner....
216 Post contains links 777ER : http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3964990/
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