Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 39 Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15641 times:
SN-Brussels have a common project - AirDC - in partnership with Hewa Bora - it's time they implement that structure and impose European standards in maintenance and crew-qualification .Absolute pity that Parts of Africa will remain a black hole in aviation .
Iakobos From Greece, joined Aug 2003, 2635 posts, RR: 40 Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15456 times:
94 onboard first report mentions 5 alive, including 2 crew
Apparently a tyre bursted at close to TO speed, crew aborted but were short on available distance
DC-9 skidded into Birere neighbourhood at the end of the runway
NIKV69 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 8822 posts, RR: 56 Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15292 times:
Wow amazing anyone survived. Truly a miracle.
Quoting Iakobos (Reply 18): Apparently a tyre bursted at close to TO speed, crew aborted but were short on available distance
Thanks for posting, it sounded by the news that the AC got airborne for a short period.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 14381 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15168 times:
Quoting Iakobos (Reply 18): 94 onboard first report mentions 5 alive, including 2 crew
Jeez, so many fatalities. So sad to hear about this.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4544 posts, RR: 24 Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15072 times:
PU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 553 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15223 times:
Quoting Iakobos (Reply 18): Apparently a tyre bursted at close to TO speed, crew aborted but were short on available distance
"aircraft unsafe or unable to fly" will require to abort between 80kts and V1 .... generally you only abort before or close to V1 due to engine failure....but I imagine at that speed a tyre bursted might be a big issue considering the effect this may cause....so Im not totally sure if this issue can be considered into "aircraft unsafe or unable to fly" probably is.
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14906 times:
Quoting Iakobos (Reply 18): 94 onboard first report mentions 5 alive, including 2 crew
Apparently a tyre bursted at close to TO speed, crew aborted but were short on available distance
DC-9 skidded into Birere neighbourhood at the end of the runway
Swedish media claim 6 survivors, both pilots included. Plane still on fire...
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14581 times:
The northern portion of the runway is still covered with lava; however, planes are able to use the southern end. According to Wikipedia, A DC-8 is stranded on a piece of the tarmac that was not covered by lava but is now unconnected to the usable portion of the runway. It can be seen on the satellite image of the airport.
RIP to all those involved.
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Legoguy From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 3168 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14086 times:
An unfortunate crash and my thoughts are with those effected. Glad to here at least 6 survivors at this point. It's sad to hear of any aircraft accident, any where in the world involving deaths.
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 37): The northern portion of the runway is still covered with lava; however, planes are able to use the southern end. According to Wikipedia, A DC-8 is stranded on a piece of the tarmac that was not covered by lava but is now unconnected to the usable portion of the runway. It can be seen on the satellite image of the airport.
Interestingly enough, judging by these pictures, it seems a new taxiway has been created connecting the DC-8 to the use-able runway. Initially the engines on the DC-8 were run daily in order to keep the aircraft in a flyable condition but eventually they stopped. By the time the new taxiway was created, it was too late for the DC-8 as it had been written off already I believe.
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Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2125 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14072 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 34): There is a twin engine aircraft with very long narrow wings, any takers.
I can also see a white DC9,
I see a 727, not a DC9. If you're looking at the satellite photo, that is. I don't know which twin engine aircraft you're looking at.
I do see the DC-8 that's stranded there too. I was wondering about that. I thought maybe they just have planes shuffling across the grass. You can see where a lot of dirt has been tracked onto the runway from at least some planes just using the dirt as a taxiway.
If it's true that a tire blew, it sure seems like debris on the runway could be a factor.
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NIKV69 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 8822 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13782 times:
25 Coronado990: Some reason my picture of the airport was deleted by the moderators even though I got it out of A.net. Very starnge!! I'll post it again... View Large
26 B777Neuss: Here are a few more pictures but the text is only in German. http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,547581,00.html [Edited 2008-04-15 10:47:12]
27 Cricket: Extremely dramatic pictures, it is very rare for photographers to get that close to the aircraft...
28 F9Animal: It does appear that the pilots could have survived this. The cockpit window is open, which looks to have been opened from the inside of the cockpit.
29 RFields5421: The aircraft is in the middle of streets and homes - not on the airport. Perimeter control would be almost impossible. This is the third incident for
30 Piskoto: Heard that Greek Archibishop of Africa was on board that plane and survived!
31 Okapi: Congolese media report 9Q-CHN has crashed in a busy market area at the end of the runway. Aircraft usually land at FZNA's RWY36 and take off southboun
32 Sabenapilot: Regardless the fact that the plane is indeed not on the airport: perimeter control is basically non-esistent in the RDC, most of the airports aren't
33 Richierich: For some reason, my original post was deleted but I'm not sure if it was something I wrote or the post I originally referenced. At any rate, here I go
34 YVRLTN: I thought all Congolese airlines were on the EU blacklist, but it seems HBA were just added in the April 11th update according to our daily CIFFA upda
35 RFields5421: Not Africa, but in Asia, I've seen poverty and desolation on that level. If anyone cannot concieve how people could live that way, how airlines could
36 RJAF: The DRC is a nightmare for insurers (not just the war insurers but the normal hull and liability insurers in London and elsewhere). Had this incident
37 Alibo5NGN: You are referring to the incident at Port Harcourt (PHC) International Airport, Nigeria where a Nomadic Herdsman cut the perimeter fence to let his c
38 Sabenapilot: Well, HBA was an exception in that they had a single plane which was allowed to operate to the EU, so the airline could serve a twice weekly FIH-BRU
39 RFields5421: As noted above - overloaded is a relative term in some nations - this airport is at a little over 5,000 ft elevation and given the average temperatur
40 Highflier92660: From what I could obtain on the web, the airport elevation is 5,089' and the runway is 6,545 feet long followed by a drop-off and a shantytown beyond
41 HapppyLandings: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7348743.stm "Most of the 85 people aboard survived but many were injured." "Reports say the plane never really left
42 MCOflyer: Very sad, may they RIP to those who died. Kinghunter
43 MAN23R: very strange, sky news is reporting more than 60 people are dead, looks like theres alot of confusion here. RIP to all Scott[Edited 2008-04-15 15:51:
44 Learjet23: Just how in the hell can you have an international airport, and no fire or rescue squad? Come on..... freaking tupperware bowls full of mud to put out
46 Flybynight: Accidents can happen to any airline. Without knowing the cause you can't necessarily say it was because of the age of the plane. Could have been pilo
47 57AZ: Just take a look at some of the international airports down in the Caribbean and you'll see how easy it is to have one with either no fire brigade or
48 Tdscanuck: Very sad to say, but it's a cost benefit calculation. Most of Africa lacks the regulatory oversight and liability systems that much of the developed
49 Flaps: I for one am impressed by the dedication of those people trying to fight that fire with buckets. The DC9-50 is no hot/high performer. Back in the eigh
50 Ty134A: There was also an incident with a vehicle and construction workers in Romania this year... remember... they forgot to remove it. A guy even filmed th
51 SkyguyB727: I flew on the YX DC-9 just two days before it crashed in MKE.[Edited 2008-04-16 01:58:03]
52 SkyguyB727: I see the Hewa Bora Airways website (www.hba.cd) is currently "closed for maintenance." Apparently it's easier for them to shut down their website tha
53 RussianJet: Enough comments like this already. It's been explained many times. Standards are not the same in much of Africa and other poorer parts of the world a
54 SeeTheWorld: Clearly, he's never been to Africa.
55 EMA747: It seems that buildings near the perimeter are a big, but sadly in these parts of the world, unavoidable hazard. The IB A346 that crashed in Quito cam
56 RFields5421: Yes there is a lot of confusion. There will not be a centralized collection of bodies as would occur in more developed countries with professional fo
57 SSTsomeday: I would imagine that there is a number of reasons for this: Lack of the same safety and maintenance regulations Lack of resources to enforce regulati
58 Bennett123: The point that I was making is the differing levels of accidents and the apparent lack of pressure for improvement. The DC9 can be operated safely, (a
60 RFields5421: There is pressure for improvement - for reliable operation and maintenance. Certainly the people who operate the airline, the investors, are unhappy
61 Bwest: There's still no clarity on the number of deaths. Hewa Bora claims no passengers were killed, and that 21 people on the ground died. The governor of N
62 BuyantUkhaa: You'll see shantytowns at the end of runways very often. Why? Airports are usually next to (or in) big cities, the area in front of the runway is fla
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