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Look The New UAL 747 Cabin Is In Service!  
User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 23012 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL9955

Looks like either the PEK or FRA flight will have the pleasure of the new cabin tonight or soon in the 744  Smile

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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22859 times:

Please enlighten me. What exactly is "new" about the interior of the aircraft? Have all 3 classes received an overhaul or is it this half ass bull sh*t that is all too common these days on US carriers where only one cabin (either business or first class) is redone? Why can't they just do them all (including economy) all at the same time so as to introduce a COMPLETELY new product/flying experience for ALL passengers involved?


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30613 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22810 times:
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The First Class suite has been replaced with a new model and Business Class now has true lie-flat seats.

Economy seating remains unchanged, but since it's a revenue sink on a per-seat basis, this is really a surprise? The projection screens have been replaced with large LCDs, I believe.


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22737 times:

United's System still shows that it will be a 14-73-260 a/c for the IAD-PEK and IAD-FRA but that could change any day


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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22693 times:

Well I can only guess UAL would us a ferry number and fly this across the US for this reason only. I doubt it is an extra section flight.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22691 times:



Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 1):
Why can't they just do them all (including economy) all at the same time so as to introduce a COMPLETELY new product/flying experience for ALL passengers involved

Because the economics deem it not to be viable or attractive.

If Economy Class passengers were willing to pay a premium for the Economy Class products that United flies then perhaps they would have revamped it.

As it is, one assumes that Economy Class passengers are not (or there are not enough who will pay a premium) and so they get what they are willing to pay for.

In essence, Economy passengers are too price-driven



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22685 times:



Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 1):
Please enlighten me. What exactly is "new" about the interior of the aircraft? Have all 3 classes received an overhaul or is it this half ass bull sh*t that is all too common these days on US carriers where only one cabin (either business or first class) is redone? Why can't they just do them all (including economy) all at the same time so as to introduce a COMPLETELY new product/flying experience for ALL passengers involved?

Wonder when will they install PTVs in economy class


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22644 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 6):
Wonder when will they install PTVs in economy class

They will not because of weight issues flying trans-pacific



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User currently offlineAAH732UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22625 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 7):
They will not because of weight issues flying trans-pacific

WHAT??? no that stinks  Sad O well


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 3193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22619 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 6):
Wonder when will they install PTVs in economy class

PTV's will not be installed on UA 744's. The weight of such a system would become a serious issue on UA's long routes that already push the range limits of the 744's such as ORD-HKG, LAX-SYD, etc.



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22617 times:



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 8):
WHAT??? no that stinks O well

Agreed it is because they can take more cargo.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22583 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
The First Class suite has been replaced with a new model and Business Class now has true lie-flat seats.

Economy seating remains unchanged, but since it's a revenue sink on a per-seat basis, this is really a surprise? The projection screens have been replaced with large LCDs, I believe.

First and Business are totally new, Economy (if they did the same thing to the 744 that they did to the 763) has LCDs instead of the projectors, new carpeting, new seat-covers and they would have re done the bulkheads getting rid of the sunset motif. Also Y+ is now in between doors 2 and 3 instead of 3 and 4.

http://www.suitedreams.united.com/

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...ited_Airlines_Boeing_747-400_B.php



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User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22570 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 5):
As it is, one assumes that Economy Class passengers are not (or there are not enough who will pay a premium) and so they get what they are willing to pay for.

It doesn't matter! There is no excuse for not overhauling Economy Class as well! EK, SQ, and CX all offer PTVs with AVOD in Economy. They may not be the cheapest, but their fares are affordable. I am so sick and tired of hearing a lot of the U.S. carriers' excuses why they can't upgrade their products in all classes! I mean, HELLO????? EK, SQ, and CX all have products that put our carriers to shame! If an airline like UA wants to call itself a true "international" airline, then they need to match and/or exceed their Asian counterparts. ENOUGH OF THE EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!! JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17352 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22482 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 12):
There is no excuse for not overhauling Economy Class as well!

There's no reason to--there's no revenue premium for IFE



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22410 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 12):
It doesn't matter! There is no excuse for not overhauling Economy Class as well! EK, SQ, and CX all offer PTVs with AVOD in Economy. They may not be the cheapest, but their fares are affordable.

There is an excuse if it's not economically viable.

Now this economically un-viability can stem from issues regarding reputation, flight frequency, branding, inflight service, perceived quality etc... Even if these things were dealt with, a market may be so competitve that the payoff on the investment would take too long etc..

And again, you have a choice. If you are flying to London you could fly an American carrier or you could fly Virgin Atlantic which offers good inflight entertainment options.

For a flight to Asia, I would argue the best option would be Singapore Airlines for reasons that are not needed to be elaborated upon.

Vote with your money.



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User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22397 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
There's no reason to--there's no revenue premium for IFE

EK, SQ, and CX must disagree with that statement, as they are profitable and all have PTVs with AVOD in Economy!


User currently offlineCuriousFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 680 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22376 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 12):
There is no excuse for not overhauling Economy Class as well!

So true... and next week I will fly between HKG and SIN in economy... with Cathay, even though it will cost me twice as much as UAL would. Exact same time, both flights direct.


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22353 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
PTV's will not be installed on UA 744's. The weight of such a system would become a serious issue on UA's long routes that already push the range limits of the 744's such as ORD-HKG, LAX-SYD, etc.

Which is very interesting given QF has it on their flights for LAX-MEL and makes economy a very enjoyable experience... ie unless UA has their ticket prices significantly cheaper QF will get my $$$ every time.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 22305 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 17):
QF has it on their flights for LAX-MEL

QF has the 744ER on that route so weight is less of an issue.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
There's no reason to--there's no revenue premium for IFE

Bingo...as long as UA runs the numbers and they come back saying that adding AVOD in economy doesn't add enough to their bottom line to make it worth retrofitting you will never see it in Y on a UA 744. Now whatever replaces the 744 will almost certainly have it however.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30613 posts, RR: 84
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 22173 times:
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There are a number of reasons why UA will not install PTVs in the 747 fleet:

  • The weight penalty.
  • The cost. UA would need to source new seats to replace the current seats. They would then need to re-wire the Economy cabin. And all that work needs to be certified. It would not be cheap across the board - the cost of the system, the cost of the installation, and the lost revenue while the 744s are out of service to be retrofitted. And yet, UA would not be able to charge extra for the PTVs over what the competition is charging.
  • Premium cabin yields on UA are lower then they are on SQ, CX and EK so UA can't use them to "subsidize" Economy Class benefits.
  • UA continues to fill the back of the plane even without PTVs.


User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 22140 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 18):
Quoting Jbernie (Reply 17):
QF has it on their flights for LAX-MEL

QF has the 744ER on that route so weight is less of an issue.

Yes but they did use the RR-powered standard 744 for years with IFE in Y on the route before they had the ERs. Granted, fuel prices were a lot lower then too.

UA 777s were among the first US carrier to have in-seat IFE for economy class.

I would not fly a long-haul without IFE in Y if I had to fly Y, but a lot of people would if they paid less for the ticket. I don't blame UA for making an economic decision. No doubt they have done their numbers and are willing to sgement out the Y travellers who insist on IFE on 744 routes and determined the cost benefit was not there.

Now, back on topic... the new UA product looks great and can't wait to try it!


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 22000 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 12):
ENOUGH OF THE EXCUSES!!!!!!!!!! JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Do what I do, fly SQ, CX and the rest of the Asian couriers when you have a choice. Complaining and shouting about it on A.net won't help a thing.

I personally think it's an improvement that UA upgraded their F and J classes, that's where the money is anyways. By the way, UA isn't that cheap across the Pacific, SQ and CX have better sales from what I've seen.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21961 times:



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 5):
If Economy Class passengers were willing to pay a premium for the Economy Class products that United flies then perhaps they would have revamped it.

True. UA has such poor Transpac Economy service that any customer willing to pay a premium for better service is going to fly on another carrier.

Quoting CuriousFlyer (Reply 16):
So true... and next week I will fly between HKG and SIN in economy... with Cathay, even though it will cost me twice as much as UAL would. Exact same time, both flights direct.

Yep. You provide a better experience, you can charge more. If you provide a bare bones experience, you can't.

But that's not to say it's wrong. UA has decided that they would rather provide a less competitive Y product and take more cargo if possible, and use any excess weight to improve the premium cabins. That's their choice. Maybe not the best choice, but it's their choice.

DL made the same choice with the 763s. AVOD would add weight, weight that they couldn't use for cargo. Cargo won, due to higher profit than picky Y pax.

LH seemed to have that same philosophy in Y longhaul, though I think that is changing now?



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User currently offlineSkytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21946 times:

The aircraft will be doing IAD-ORD turns flt 141 and flt 360.


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User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21942 times:



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 21):
Complaining and shouting about it on A.net won't help a thing.

Good point. I probably shouldn't have shouted. I just get so frustrated that America doesn't have a carrier that is up to par with EK, SQ, CX, etc. The United States deserves an airline of their stature. I flew UA to China from the Midwest (via ORD) because I really had no choice, as the Asian carriers didn't offer good enough connections from their hubs (NRT, ICN). I would have had like 30 hour waits in NRT or ICN. I would have flown an Asian carrier if I had had the chance.

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 21):
By the way, UA isn't that cheap across the Pacific, SQ and CX have better sales from what I've seen.

You got that right. For my trip to China, I spent $1,800 r/t. Now for that price, I would expect a PTV with AVOD, and I didn't get it. If I could have flown KE, I would have, because they averaged $400-$600 cheaper. And I would have gotten a PTV with AVOD AND extra legroom! IMO, UA simply has no right to charge a premium for an inferior Y product.


25 Skytony : The ORD-IAD flts start on the 19th of April.
26 N104UA : That is a 320 and 319 respectively so why would they upgrade such a small a/c insted of one of the 2 763 or 1 772?
27 N104UA : not in UA's system yet
28 Norcal773 : I've never found them to be cheaper than most of the other airlines trans-Atlantic. A good example is SFO-HKG, it'll cost you $599 on SQ, as low as $
29 FRAspotter : I understand, however economy class passengers make up the majority number wise of the people that UA flies around. Why shun the vast majority of the
30 Lufthansa : I wonder if there is as much subsidization as you think. You see, most passengers start out as economy class passengers. Think of how international t
31 UAL777 : They don't pay their employees slave wages either. Its a business. Get used to it.
32 Lufthansa : SQ and CX don't pay their employee's slave wages either. How much do you think a pilot at CX earns? I know of one A330 man who's on USD 180 000 per y
33 Iloveboeing : UA may be a business, but it needs to treat ALL customers with the best service possible. When airlines like EK, SQ, and CX expand their service to t
34 Norcal773 : Not if little Johnny grows up to be an A.net Fanatic
35 Singapore_Air : Those 'slaves' at the Singapore Airlines must be doing something strange then to maintain the reputation for inflight service that they have then!
36 Norcal773 : I think you mis-understood him. He said SQ and CX don't pay their employees slave wages like UA does, not the other way around.
37 AS739X : Anyone else notice....4 hours 14 minutes enroute? Is this another flightaware.com error or incredible tailwinds? ASSFO
38 Stitch : You make valid points, Lufthansa, but in many ways the US airlines have dug their own graves by offering such lucrative frequent flier benefits. US a
39 Lufthansa : From what I see they pay similar wages for cabin crew, and possibly lower wages for flight crew. They may win out on maintenance but i see plenty of
40 Stitch : The US also has many more "full service" carriers all diluting each other. If SQ, CX, QF, BA, LH and NH all served the same primary and secondary citi
41 Iloveboeing : I don't think we could classify any of the "full service" carriers as full service carriers anymore.....they've cut so much and started nickel-and-di
42 AirlineBrat : That is why I flew CX to Asia in 2006 and I'll probably fly CX or SQ my next trip to Asia in another year or so. I'll fly US based carriers when I fl
43 Post contains images Transpac787 : That was a meltdown almost as good as Three Mile Island.       Then why did you not fly on them?? Exactly. ORD-HKG is consistently dispatched at
44 Stitch : Yes, and it also helps they are the dominant players in their home markets (thanks to having no local competition) with a mostly/purely international
45 AirlineBrat : I agree. I chose CX specifically because I read they were ranked #1 for Y Class inflight service at the time I purchased my ticket to Asia. I specifi
46 Ssides : One major reason why the US doesn't have a carrier like EK, SQ or CX is labor law. Cabin crew and ground handling agents (and, to a lesser degree, pi
47 Lufthansa : That's just not true. And the other thing that blows that completely out of the water is Carriers Like British Airways or Air France. They've got far
48 NorthstarBoy : i can only hope that if/when UA and CO merge and CO management takes the driver's seat, that PTVs will be added in coach on the 744s. Even if it's not
49 Transpac787 : The bean-counters do. No. The first priority, as per the shareholders, is to maximize profits. Cargo carried on a route to a place like Hong Kong wil
50 UA772IAD : There's only so much you can do with economy anyways. I agree AVOD IFE is great addition to economy, but besides that, there's little you can physica
51 NorthstarBoy : Transpac787, of course, what you say makes sense, but, alas I'm selfish. I want the most bang for my buck and since i have never and will never be abl
52 Daron4000 : Ok have you read your own post? Clearly not. Let's start with the first paragraph. If your really paying $300.00 OW SFO-HKG, you should grovel at the
53 Zkpilot : QF operate standard 744 as well as ER on the LAX-SYD route But QF does operate LAX-SYD with non-ER birds and does on occasion and previously operate
54 CX 4ever : That happens... when you own a private jet. But don't you know that a lot of passengers nowadays are spoiled and take everything for granted? In real
55 Glbltrvlr : Nor does it have an airport on a par with the rest of the world. I'm just wrapping up my latest RTW trip. DEN - Probably the nicest Intl airport in t
56 Flybyguy : Well just about everything wrong with U.S. airlines seems to trail back to economy class. Why have an economy class if it is a money sink? They shoul
57 UAL777UK : Ahh, the same old concept of flying economy in UA....In one corner those like on A.Net who know there stuff and will decide on a carrier that offer AV
58 Zvezda : AA were unable to get more than $5 per flight per seat of additional revenue for an extra 2" (5 cm) of pitch, so had to put the additional row back i
59 UA772IAD : I must say, reducing J on the 744 is a huge mistake. The new J cabin on the main deck is concentrated between doors 1-2, which the worst section to f
60 HAMAD : although i agree with you, but not necessarily, sometimes, you stick to what the market offers. for example, i lived in phoenix between 2003 - 2008.
61 StarGoldLHR : False economy... For this reason alone UA lost LHR-JFK. Everyone flew UA, paid same price as all the other carriers and recieved a budget airline ser
62 Zvezda : That already happened in SFO, but UA pulled SFO-CDG not because of the Economy passengers but because they couldn't win enough premium passengers. Sa
63 UA772IAD : It had nothing to do with IFE. UA lost because they gave up. They kept this route going for years for prestige reasons, and nothing else, only to eve
64 Mcdu : Are you willing to pay a premium to fly with PTV's? Most of the US consumers are not and at heart UA is a US based airline. You would pay double to s
65 Cpd : The economy plus isn't much better on the last UA B744 I flew on. UA might be a little bit cheaper, but not enough that the people buying the ticket
66 Lufthansa : They don't but remember EK doing that just adds to the cost employment, not detracting from the cost. Ahhh but this is the continued insular thinking.
67 StarGoldLHR : I agree and disagree... I was regular on this for 10 years.. and saw it decline from 100% full every time £1500 economy with the despatchers asking
68 Cpd : Correction - not B744, B763. I don't think the B744 had economy plus on it. Regardless, I wouldn't have paid the extra for it considering what it was
69 UAL777UK : Are you smoking something? Thats complete rubbish, UA have never not offered a meal in Y on any international route, let alone LHR. AA also do this.
70 BrianDromey : Yea, they add up to loses dude. 300 bucks over the pacific one way is an absolute steal. Your lucky not to be loaded into bunk beads and transported
71 Airbazar : Why pay more to fly UA when I can pay less to fly a slew of other carriers with better economy class service (including your own Singapore Airlines)?
72 Singapore_Air : I sense a theme here in that emotionally, yes, there are some that would want their flag carriers to be the best, or at least be perceived to offer a
73 Glbltrvlr : This statement and variations on it keep getting repeated, but that doesn't make it true. The fact is that the airlines are selling a product that ha
74 Airbazar : Agree 100%. If customers are unwilling to pay for it then how can so many carriers have those same amenities and be highly profitable? It's not the a
75 Singapore_Air : I am not advocating you pay more for the product that United offers you. I posit that even if they added the frills that Singapore Airlines offers, i
76 Zvezda : The other major factors in revenue are schedule convenience, frequency, and supply of seats.
77 Airbazar : The other theory is that most people who travel in economy don't know any better to look for the value. They just assume every airline and every airc
78 JohnClipper : Ah, not the last time I was there...
79 Stitch : Considering UA mostly (if not only) flew the 77E between JFK/EWR and LHR, they always had IFE in Economy, so that cannot be a reason, to say nothing
80 Zvezda : UA were mostly flying 767-300ERs between JFK and LHR. They operated 777 service between EWR and LHR. That may have changed at the end.
81 Stitch : Well those have IFE in Economy, as well, so my point still stands.
82 NZA320 : Your thinking of profit. Any class of passenger paying the airline for a ticket is considered revenue. On a side note, I remember the Air NZ CEO sayi
83 ContnlEliteCMH : That's a mouthful. You've painted yourself in a very poor light, friend. These statements are invariably uttered by somebody who... ... hasn't worked
84 Singapore_Air : Indeed - perhaps. Time will tell. That is not to say however, that when the order B77Ws, A388s, B748is or whatever, that they won't equip the aircraf
85 Post contains links Zvezda : No, the Shanghai maglev will not be extended for a few more years -- if ever. http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSPEK213206
86 MaverickM11 : You have *got* to be kidding. UA didn't do well on LHRJFK because there was almost Star Alliance presence on either end, nevermind onward connections
87 Smi0006 : Haha you dont know Aussies then, I flew with a large group of Aussies around the world recently, they were content with QF, forgave AF crews for poin
88 Caspritz78 : On the other hand United's Economy Plus subscription or how it is callled is a gold mine. So there is a group of people who are willing to pay more.
89 BWI757 : The A.Net Board of Armchair CEO's will address this important hole in the WN route map immediately after the "Will WN fly to Hawaii" issue is solved.
90 DTWAGENT : Ok so the updated the first/business classes. Why not do the rest of the plane. This is no big deal. Chuck
91 UAL777UK : Okay, my bad, I am sorry I did not take into account Aussies
92 Jbernie : Out of curiosity how many of the posters so far have actually flown routes like LAX-MEL which go close to 14 or 15 hours? When I did this route on QF
93 Flighty : Why? It sounds like UA did just fine. Maybe it is you who needs to revise your own business process? What you are saying is, KE has inferior revenues
94 Iloveboeing : No, I was making the point that KE can offer better inflight service at a lower cost than UA.
95 KochamLOT : thanks United1 for the link to the new seats. I dont know which I like better, the new United seats or Delta BussinessElite cabins on the 772lr. I mor
96 Travelin man : The thing is that the Asia and Australia flights are full, full, full on UA. It's not like the fact that UA has no PTVs in Economy is "new" news. Eve
97 MSYtristar : You know, people really rag on UA 747's, and I just don't get it. It's not like tight seating in Y class and movies shown on overhead screens is somet
98 Flighty : They 744 is a beauty to be sure. Always will be. But the A380 is so much quieter, that it's an easy pick for the Australian routes.
99 Travelin man : OK, so this made me laugh out loud. I had no idea one color of paint was heavier than another. Is that true?
100 Iloveboeing : I just looked it up, and KE's 1st Quarter CASM (including fuel) was approximately 11.4 cents (after converting from the Korean won to the US Dollar a
101 Zvezda : I flew UA LAX-MEL once. Wow! I much rather fly any SQ aircraft than any UA aircraft. Darker pigments are heavier.
102 Ikramerica : He was talking about QF A380s and VAust. 77Ws. And why on earth would you want a narrower seat on a louder, older aircraft. I love the 747 as a plane
103 MSYtristar : Well, the noise issue has never been a big deal to me. And as far as the narrower seat....you're talking to someone who has done 32 hours on a train
104 Chiawei : That's why even though United is preferred carrier for my company, I avoid them like plague. I live in SF bay area, but I am a one world member, so th
105 Chiawei : Stop defending united or any other carrier. Company like EK, CX, SQ do pay their employee good wage. Check your fact. Even though it may be low due t
106 Flighty : But in the product makeup, Korean has a more expensive product. More legroom, PTVs, newer jets = more expensive. UA has a huge domestic system... and
107 AAH732UAL : Wait, I have not read all the replays, but are you telling me that they will run this between IAD and ORD? That would be great b/c my mom double commu
108 Norcal773 : You don't have to fly UA to Asia from the Bay. UA was my previous company's preferred carrier and I never flew them once out of SFO. That's why as a
109 UAL777 : Are you kidding? UA employees lost their pensions. Further, UA cannot fire their FAs once they reach a certain age as the foreign carriers can.
110 Boeing6600 : KE has a way better product than United will ever have! I also don't think UA has the cash needed to upgrade the cabin, because of the high fuel cost
111 Norcal773 : Well, UA might have to change their philosophy about PTV's when V-Australia and other airlines invade the lucrative West Coast-Australia market. Right
112 Zkpilot : Sure is. Which is why most aircraft are painted white (along with the easier to lease out/onsell factor). of course it isn't a huge difference, but o
113 Transpac787 : Exactly, yet most of the users are ignoring these posts. You mean UA839?? LAX-SYD-MEL?? Okay, we'll just agree with whatever you feel we should. From
114 Norcal773 : My bad, UA901.
115 Zkpilot : Sure is. Which is why most aircraft are painted white (along with the easier to lease out/onsell factor). of course it isn't a huge difference, but o
116 Manu : EK also puts seats in a 3-4-3 in a 777 width. So they give you more services, but take away precious inches of space between you and the other person
117 Viscount724 : But only if customers are willing to pay for those products. In Y class, they aren't. The only thing that matters for 90% of Y class longhaul passeng
118 FiveMileFinal : I'm one of those picky Y pax who actually would pay more to get more. But then, I see what United has to offer, and it's no surprise that they have tr
119 SFORunner : UA once flew LAX - MEL non-stop on their 744s. A number of seats (100?) were intentionally left empty in order to make the trip.
120 Travelin man : Interesting. Thanks for the information. I guess it's true that you learn something new every day!
121 Nqyguy : You feel hard done by; try sitting on a 10 hour KL flight from SFO to AMS directly in the centre of the middle row at the back of the aircraft with no
122 Viscount724 : Next time take a book, or an iPod. That's all the inflight entertainment I need.
123 Js : This news is absurd. Nine months ago United announced with great fanfare and a worldwide press campaign these fleet upgrades. Nine months later and th
124 FriendlySkies : Did you seriously expect them to replace them overnight? When they announced it, they said nothing would happen until late 2007.
125 United1 : As part of that announcement in November (5 months ago) they mentioned that ONE aircraft would be retrofitted and flown around as a test bed for some
126 Joeljack : I've flown LAX-SYD AND LAX-AKL before on UA. Long flights but in Business so not too bad. I wouldn't even think about coach on a flight like this so
127 Stitch : Part of it is that a good majority of UA premium cabin fliers on international flights are there on corporate contracts which have discounts that run
128 JohnClipper : Sorry, I was referring to the second part regarding the MAGLEV service to the "city core" - NOT! I was there 3 weeks ago - Terminal 2 is amazing, but
129 Ikramerica : I used to bring my tablet and chisel and etch out some scenes describing the latest hunt, but it's hard to get chisels through security these days.
130 N104UA : I was on LAX-SYD-LAX in JAN 07 and Y+ was packed full with only 5 more inches of legroom so i don't think that it is necesary but it would increse th
131 Transpac787 : I saw it in IAD yesterday, N182UA. So, it's definitely "ready" for it's first international flights. N647UA was a total nightmare in it's first few d
132 Travelin man : The best cabin crew I've ever experienced was in UA First on the LAX-SYD run. Yes, they were older, but they were the most friendly, least obtrusive,
133 Airnewzealand : What a funny thing to say...QF stack up very nicely against SQ on AUS-SIN-Europe runs, and they will stack up just fine against them on Pacific runs.
134 Norcal773 : Maybe you can explain why then the Australian government won't grant SQ the rights to fly Australia-USA direct!
135 Zkpilot : Because the only reason why SQ wants to fly this route is to 'Cherry-pick' it for profit. SQ would not be routing pax SIN-SYD-LAX... they would be fl
136 Norcal773 : Which goes back to my original point i.e On the other hand, Airnewzealand thinks it shouldn't be a problem for QF but it will be if they ever get the
137 Smi0006 : I have done MEL-LAX in all three classes with QF at least 12 times that I can remember, and in saying that I can't imagine doing it with out a PTV. B
138 N104UA : I flew UA from LAX-SYD-LAX in Jan 07 in C and they are not that bad. Read some of the TR's of this route in Y I have been told by people that fly it,
139 Ikramerica : I flew LAX-SYD-LAX and I had AVOD one direction, PTVs the other on QF. It made the trip much more enjoyable, I got to catch up on some movies and watc
140 Smi0006 : Actually back to the topic bit more does anyone have any pics of the new seats (and seat covers in Y) on the 744? are they revamping their soft produc
141 Glbltrvlr : My fault for refering to Pudong as "City core". I would take exception to not being useful though as the hotels we use are nearby and it avoids the t
142 BAW716 : First, you don't need to shout. Second, it makes no sense for UA to match SQ and EK; the amount of R&D that went into their Y seating product; UA can
143 Lufthansa : How do you come up with that figure? I find it interesting because QF flies 2 class 744s with a higher seat density then UA has across the pacific wi
144 Gigneil : Upgrading Y is just not necessary right now. UA is flying at record load factors. After the mergers, they will better positioned to do so. NS
145 Post contains links Lufthansa : I agree 100% with that. I also think its great what UA have done with the new Business class and we should all be happy about it. What I don't get, t
146 Gigneil : Continited will have to turn their attentions immediately to the rest of the frames being refurbished if they wish to remain the dominant carrier. Mor
147 Post contains links Lufthansa : Also more AVOD off the shelf from Panasonic. http://www.panasonic.aero/xseries.html apologies for crappy grammer in earlier posts... ESL plus sick atm
148 UALPUFF : Correct me if I am wrong but BMI is a star alliance partner and I am sure that they have a pretty good operation in LHR. So your comment of no star a
149 Nzrich : Actually UA has star alliance competition on that route with NZ operating the route as well !!! Yes i would agree with this statement on one conditio
150 Skytony : Is there any airnetters flying on it tomorrow on flt 141 IAD ORD or flt 360 ORD IAD?
151 SoBe : While I'd love to grab 360 and spend the afternoon at Udvar Hazy, where do you see this? I see a A319 on 141 and a A320 on 360.
152 LACA773 : [quote=Nqyguy,reply=121]You feel hard done by; try sitting on a 10 hour KL flight from SFO to AMS directly in the centre of the middle row at the back
153 AA767400 : You got that right! Time and time again we have learned that Americans want cheap fares. It is the foremost objective of the majority of consumers in
154 Post contains links Daron4000 : For anyone who is curious about seeing the new seats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq1zhXqVWyU
155 United1 : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq1zh...qVWyU Wow Cool!!! Thanks for posting that.
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