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Transaero In A380 Talks?  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9721 times:

In a german financial paper Transaero´s CEO is indirectly cited as looking at the A380 at the moment. Anyone having some more insight?


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9603 times:

I'm sure they are looking at it - it fits their operations profile perfectly.

Whether they have got or can get the money is something else entirely.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4376 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9576 times:

I thought that money is the only thing available in Russia. Transaeros self understanding would also fit to be the first A380 operator in Russia. So again the famous question of when...

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9570 times:

In their latest market outlook Airbus said the CIS will need 9 VLA in less than 8 years, so who knows: Transaero might indeed consider ordering a few: 5 + 4 should be a good number.

Where does transaero currently operate their 747s too?


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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9403 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
Where does transaero currently operate their 747s too?

BCN, BKK, HKT, PMI, LCA, TFS, AGP, PUY, and some more touristic destinations.

A380 with huge TRANSAERO titles, just amazing.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Money in Russia ? Not a problem ! Simply get in touch with Mr Poutine !


Transaero also send their 747s to Monastir and Tel Aviv.


User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9077 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 5):
Poutine

..or Putain?  Wink


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8953 times:

Or even Putin?.

Filler


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11607 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8929 times:

It really wouldn't surprise me if they did order a few, I just hope for them that free travel of Russian citizens isn't compromised in the future.


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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8783 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
Where does transaero currently operate their 747s too?

Transaero's B747-400 VP-BVR has been operating to Singapore and Denpasar (Bali) through the winter season. In previous years, the B742 only operated from end-Dec to mid-Jan.

KC Sim


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4376 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

Punta Cana has seen it.

User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8622 times:

Judging from Transaero's destinations, they seem to be a predominantly tourist airline, is that right?

An order from them would be the second from a tourist airline, after that of Air Plus (which still needs to be firmed by Gruppo Marsans, BTW)


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

Actually Transaero has nothing to do with Mr. Putin.
It's owned by Israeli citizens who emigrated from Russia.
The very first Transaero aircraft TU-154-B-2 was bought in 1989 for bringing immigrants to Israel.
Sure it's a Russian airline and the owners have double citizenship.

Sometimes it's funny.
All Russian charters fly to Egypt directly - over Ukraine, Turkey, Cairo - and left turn to the Red Sea - to Sharm el Sheikh or Hurghada.
Transaero has an unimaginable route which goes over the whole Israel. It's 20 minutes longer.

I don't think A380 is an option for Transaero.
Their scheduled flights' needs hardly exceed B-767-300
Their charter flights' needs will be filled by B-744.
One 744 is already in their fleet.
There are enough 744 in good shape available on the market.

They like to play with ideas. Their PR is quite creative, I admit.

But I avoid Transaero 747s as the pitch between seats is minimal. I can't stand it for more than 4 hours.
They have like 408 seats on the main level!!! It's too much.


User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7964 times:

I used to like Transaero -they had innovative ideas, used aircrafts which nobody used in Russia before, offered level of service and comfort not previously offered.
But then someone got overexcited there... Seems like new routes and equipment are being added just to be First in Russia to Fly plane XXX to YYY.

What is next? "Transaero is in talks to bring Concorde back to service"? "Transaero becomes first airline to offer service to the Moon"?



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7794 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 12):
Their charter flights' needs will be filled by B-744.

Last summer, they were sending up to 8 B747-200 flights a day between Moscow and Antalya. The A380 would be perfect for these type routes. However, I doubt that most of the typical holiday destinations which they would serve (mainly Antalya, Larnaca and Sharm el Sheikh) would be anywhere near suitable for the A380, and I can't see them upgrading just for Transaero.


User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7640 times:
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Quoting Burkhard (Reply 2):
Transaeros self understanding would also fit to be the first A380 operator in Russia. So again the famous question of when...

Wasn't Transaero the first 747 operator in Russia as well?

Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 13):
What is next? "Transaero is in talks to bring Concorde back to service"?

Better still, maybe they could return the Tu-144 to service.  



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User currently offlineFlyingCrown From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Yeah, Putin. Poutine is that Canadian artery-stopper of gravy and melted cheese on French fried potatoes. Why Transaero should choose the 748: Less up-front cash, enough room for 550+ knee-challenged passengers, easy freight conversion later and cheaper to operate in an airline recession than the Whalejet.

HTS



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User currently offlineRICARDOAB From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Have the leasing companies ILFC/GECAS assigned any of their A380's to airlines left?

Maybe a lease ofn A380's would be a more viable option for Transaero


User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6835 times:



Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 15):
Wasn't Transaero the first 747 operator in Russia as well?

Depends. Passenger - yes, but Volga-Dnepr started flying cargo version earlier.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 14):
However, I doubt that most of the typical holiday destinations which they would serve (mainly Antalya, Larnaca and Sharm el Sheikh) would be anywhere near suitable for the A380, and I can't see them upgrading just for Transaero.

How about DME?



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User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6709 times:

I wrote in another topic: not all that simple here.

Please make clear difference between scheduled flights (those are really good and the pitch is generous in respective aircraft) - and Transaero charter programs.

Transaero is related to and well connected with major tour operators.
So when Transaero make statement: we will be flying to Australia, Rio - whatever! - they are doing it as joint venture with tour operators.
Then they wait for reaction of vacationers: who is ready to go to and what they are ready to pay for it.
Sure AU or Brazil can not be interesting for the middle class.
It's too far, not suitable for family vacation. And expensive.

But such experiments sometimes work out well: Bali was a hit of the winter season.

As to Egypt resorts - it's another funny story: Transaero flies to Hurghada - but never to Sharm El Shekh.
The distance between two resorts is like 100 miles or less.
Why, I am wondering?
I guess it's because Saudi Arabia is literally seen from Sharm El Shekh airport.

All 742 and 744 were and being leased for charters and - as brilliantly put Flying Crown - for "knee-challenged passangers".


User currently offlineMowtoib From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

Transaero hasn't bought a single new aircraft in their history. They started Air France relic 737-200s back in the 90's and keep leasing old aircraft. They open flights to funny destinations like Strasbourg and Luxembourg with a lot of noise and later close them down quietly. They are constantly in debt and owe money to airports/handling companies/their staff and so on. This is their business model. To buy an A380 they need real money which they never have and I don't think anybody who has a bit of common sense will lend them the necessary amount.

User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

Well, I wouldn't be that negative.
But their actions really seem to be childish sometimes.

Though their scheduled service is quite good.
And in terms of delays (I mean absence of delays) they are good.
It should be admitted.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5918 times:

Maybe they are in talks with EK or SQ to take a couple of their A380's once they will retire them in 20 or so years Big grin

User currently offlineNG1Fan From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5134 times:



Quoting Pylon101 (Reply 19):
Sure AU or Brazil can not be interesting for the middle class.

Any ideas how their HKG/SYD service is going?

NG1Fan


User currently offlinePylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4530 times:



Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 23):
Any ideas how their HKG/SYD service is going?

It's not going as far as know.


25 Ty134A : Oh well, I believe they can only fill them with charters, which is a VERY seasonal business in Russia. It is the same thing with Atlant Soyuz' ILW sta
26 Ty134A : Basically wrong, the neatest Aircraft in their fleet are brand new, nicely painted and just goooooood looking. Or forgot about the TU-214's... and st
27 Steelyman : The mean delay for UN in BCN last summer (only upon arrival) was 2 hours. Is that a good mark? I think I have only seen UN arriving on time once.
28 Pylon101 : There is always season for charters in Russia. In May-September charters go to Sotchi and Simferopol and smaller domestic or nearby resorts. May-Septe
29 Mowtoib : That is true. Everyone says their service is good. If the flight is not cancelled due to poor loads and you are able to experience it! Their code UN
30 JFK787NYC : TransAero is one of the richest airlines in Russia. Fares are very expensive in Russia and airlines actually make money. I personally do believe Tran
31 Ty134A : NO PROBLEM,... when looking at the UN fleet, you easily miss that one, BUT I would welcome new birds in their fleet, further Tu204/214 or even the Il
32 Mandala499 : Didn't they lease some 737-700s at one stage or something? God! Each time the Transaero 767 and 747 lands in Bali, it's packed. And yes, northern win
33 Pylon101 : And it's just a part of vacationers. Another part is coming on SQ flights. I guess, ar least 1/3 prefer SQ including me. But these months you have Au
34 SFO2SVO : They did. And also DC10 they flew to LAX. But those were given up, I think after 1998 financial issues. DC10 flew with Hawaiian for awhile.
35 LXM83 : Flew them on 19Mar08, UN107, Moscow (DME) - Novosibirsk (OVB), Boeing 737-400, EI-CZK. We were already in the bus to the aircraft when the bus return
36 Mowtoib : Not any more. With growing competition and low-cost carriers growing in numbers the fares have dropped dramatically, at least on the most popular rou
37 Post contains links Mowtoib : Negative. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Istan...Airlines/Boeing-737-4Y0/0390568/M/ The bird you flew on was in service with Istanbul Airlines... Per
38 BestWestern : With the exception of Turkey Russians need a visa for most 'western' destinations Nope - they have a good domestic network.
39 Mowtoib : Their domestic network consists of 9 cities with daily flight only to St Petersburg and Yekateriburg. Check Aeroflot or S7 - that's what I'd call a g
40 UN_B732 : I find Transaero (a very good scheduled airline, btw) an example of people's egos messing with a business model. It seems like they've tried every sin
41 Mowtoib : That's a great observation. I'd only add that their network planning is also a mess.
42 Farnborough24 : Hang on, I'm still confused. Am I right in thinking that they operate both a scheduled international and domestic network, and a totally seperate char
43 Mandala499 : And I hear that quite a few fill up the Qatar Airways flight... somehow... from KUL/SIN? Anyways, is UN planning to increase capacity next winter? I
44 Xtra1 : They have indeed kept the old VS interior in their classic 747. With the old, angled Virgin Business Class seats. They have also kept the old SA Firs
45 JFK787NYC : Transaero has ordered 8 Brand New A330-200 and is still talking to Airbus for 10 Brand New A320s. If these two orders do go through they will be in a
46 Post contains links Mowtoib : That's weird. This was annouced in 2006 with deliveries due from 2009. But if you look at orders and deliveries at www.airbus.com Transaero even is n
47 Mowtoib : They do operate a lot of charters but also scheduled flights to holiday destinations. On those flights most seats are blocked by tour operators but a
48 Pylon101 : In 2007 domestic traffic was 45 million passengers. If the country's development continues without any dramatic economic crisis (hopefully not - thoug
49 Mowtoib : I like your optimism. Seriously!
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