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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

I live 3 miles to the Eastof Heathrow and often see aircrafts which are forming very long jet streams over my house.Do you know if these would be flyging from say Paris to America?Does anyone know the London Centre frenquncies?Thanks,alex


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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

Although I don't listen to ATC, I can tell you that those jetstream contrails you see over LHR are indeed EU-US flights.

Most US-bound flights originating in EU (I use this as an abbreviation for Europe), must pass through UK and Irish airspace, before heading out over the Atlantic.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Also could these be EU flies going to Ireland as well or would they be lower?

User currently offlineVictor Hotel From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 305 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Sorry i dont know the frequencies for London or the UK, but if you have a scanner, you could always do a search if your scanner permits you to do one. That should get you the frequencies used and then oncde you have found them, put those in for scanning, just search the air channels.
VH


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

Donder10

Yes, they could well also be flights to DUB, SNN etc, although they will be few and far between.

The vast majority of contrails over UK skies belong a/c flying between the US and EU.


User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

I don't know frequency, but when I was in London I could always see jet clouds weaving the sky. If some stake of these are EU-US flights, it must past Dublin, because Dublin is near shortest route between London-NY or other US cities.

Just be surprised for this scene.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

This would make sense as on Saturday mornings I often see contrail forming from planes going East to West around 11 am to 1pm.I am very new to aviation so I need to ask a few more questrions if you don't mind.What do you mean by search the air channels?I know that when an airport, planes contact clerance,ground,tower and departure but then what?I know planes fly via VOR'S AND NDB'S and other similar things but do they contact these..as you can see I'm a total novice!!Or do Centres like London Centre talk to the planes and direct them all the way?Thanks for your help,Alex

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Would these planes be in contact with London Centre?

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Donder10,

I am not an expert on ATC matters, but I understand that US bound a/c overflying UK Airspace contact West Drayton, Manchester and Liverpool before being transferred to Dublin and onwards.



User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

I noticed these as well when I was in London. A good number of these aircraft are transatlantic flights, because if you look closely you can tell that many of these a/c are 747s, 777s, and A330/340s. Also, when I flew CDG-ORD a few months ago, we passed right over London.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

I know some Delta flights go over Heathrow

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1751 times:

Is West Drayton the same as London Centre?

User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Can anyone help me???????

User currently offlineCleCo From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Donder,

Try Airnav.com. I'm not sure if it is European. But it has many airports on it.

Jake



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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

IT doesnt any have any European ones on it  Sad

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

To get to the London Center frequencies should be very easy. Simply follow a specific flight as he climbs out. When the controller tells him to contact a certain frequency, just make the change with him on your scanner. Sooner or later you'll be listening to London Center.

At that point, stay on that frequency. You'll hear numerous aircraft at cruise altitude. To get more LHR Center freqs, keep listening. ATC will pass aircraft from sector to sector.

You'll surprised how well this works. Early in 2000, I drove from New Orleans to Denver, and by the time I got back home to N.O., I had the whole route mapped out by Centers (Houston, Ft Worth, Kansas City, and Denver).

Tom in NO (at MSY)

P.S. You can tell it was a pretty boring drive!!!



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4189 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

If you have any airline pilot friends, they have their charts and would be able to look on them and tell you what the frequency at high altitude is.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineTriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Possibly slightly off topic, but FYI: there are some nice images of LHR filmed overhead on the latest Just Planes release of an A340 to NRT and an A321 to DUB. (The images obviously coming from the second trip...)

Best regards,

TriStar.



User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

If heading North the a/c could be charters or flights from the EU to MAN,NCL,GLA etc, especially if they are quite high as when coming back fom TFS to NCL on SCY I flew straight over LHR at about 36000ft. We didnt start to descend untill we nearly reached Manchester.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

I've flown right over LHR on a flight from Madrid to Stansted. I think we were about 15,000 to 20,000 ft above.

User currently offlineAmbasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

West Drayton is the location of London Center, you could try any of the following freqs:

134.90 / 127.10 / 133.60 or Shanwick 123.95 / 127.65

One of the primary routes past LHR is on the UG1, this brings flights to the STU VOR, then depending on which NAT the flight is assigned will dictate if the flight goes over Dublin, Cork, Shannon or Galway before entering the Atlantic.

GKirk, you wont have flown over LHR at 36,000 ft, even altitudes are presently not used in Europe. Finally the rule of thumb for the descent point is 3 times your alititude.


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

what exactl do u mean by UG1 and where abouts is the STU VOR?Also what do u mean by NAT?

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Ok it was at 35,969ft then.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4189 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

hey yall..please keep it to the basics with Donder... do you really expect him to know all the abbreviations and crap? Keep it simple and dont try to show off..he will learn more that way...


UG1- that is a high altitude jet route in the UK if i am not mistaken

STU VOR- this is a VOR (remember from the other posts?) it is located at STU whereever the heck that is...i dont know all the abbreviations for airports and locations.

NAT- North Atlantic Track...these are the paths that the aircraft cross the atlantic on...they shift around everyday depending on winds and weather and such.

hope this helps Big grin



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineTriStar From Belgium, joined Oct 1999, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

If you ever need to look up an abbreviation of an airport (or an airline, for that matter), a good link is http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7862/codes.htm.
STU is not an airport, though...

Take care,

TriStar.


25 Weexplorer : Hi Donder10 I am amazed no-one has given you the frequency 127.425. This covers most of the high level stuff coming off Europe heading east and the as
26 Post contains images Donder10 : i guess this would cover most of the high-flying planes over me.Thanks
27 Donder10 : Do you know what the frequency for aircraft heading West on the UG1 is weex or anyone else?Thanks,alex
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