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What's Going On At PIT: Part 6  
User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15962 times:

Here we go with yet another PIT thread. I have some updated news from flypittsburgh.com...

PITTSBURGH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT PASSENGER TRAFFIC REPORT FOR FEBRUARY AND MARCH 2008

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PITTSBURGH, PA (April 11, 2008) – Ten of the 13 airlines at PIT (www.FlyPittsburgh.com) showed an increase in passenger traffic in March 2008, with eight of those airlines reporting increases of more than 13 percent, according to the March 2008 Scheduled Airline Traffic Report prepared by the Allegheny County Airport Authority.
Atlanta-based AirTran Airways and Southwest Airlines led the gainers. For the second consecutive month AirTran’s traffic increased more than 66% in March 2008 compared to March 2007 (54,991 passengers in March 2008/33,064 passengers in March 2007; 66.3 percent increase). In February 2008, AirTran posted a 66.2% increase compared to February 2007. The increase in traffic placed AirTran as the fifth busiest airline at Pittsburgh International Airport.

Southwest Airlines led all carriers in terms of total increase in number of passengers. The Texas-based airline reported 29,312 more passengers in March 2008 compared to March 2007, for a total increase of 27.8% (134,569/105,257).

A total of 779,921 scheduled passengers were enplaned and deplaned at the airport in March 2008, an 8.7% decrease compared to March 2007 (779,921 passengers in March 2008/854,663 passengers in March 2007; 8.7 percent decrease). American (37,044/40,398; -8.3%) and JetBlue (18,252/21,217; -14.0 %) reported a decrease in traffic.

Year-to-date figures show traffic behind the pace of 2007. Through the first three months of 2008, traffic is 8.2% lower than the same time period in 2007 (2,060,336/2,244,258; -8.2%).

More info at http://www.flypittsburgh.com/NewsEve...?option=pressReleases&shortdescp=2


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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15974 times:

ALLEGHENY COUNTY AIRPORT AUTHORITY TO LOAN ART TO THE PALAZZO DELLE ESPOSIZIONI MUSEUM IN ROME

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PITTSBURGH, PA (April 11, 2008) – Pittsburgh International Airport has agreed to loan the Alexander Calder mobile called Pittsburgh to the Palazzo delle Esposizioni museum in Rome for an exhibit they are hosting in the winter of 2009.

The Palazzo delle Esposizioni museum will feature a large retrospective of the work of Alexander Calder. The curator for this exhibition is Alexander S.C. Rower, director of the Calder Foundation. The spacious interiors of the Palazzo delle Esposizioni, which have been newly renovated, will provide an exceptional backdrop for celebrating the work of Calder, the 20th century’s most buoyant and ethereal of sculptors.

Calder’s work, called Pittsburgh, is displayed on the airside terminal of the Pittsburgh International Airport. The work is an aluminum and iron mobile with graceful black rods propelled by white paddles and is suspended above the central atrium near the information desk. It is a familiar site to the millions who pass through Pittsburgh International Airport. Pittsburgh is known for its natural and graceful free rotation on air currents.

More info at http://www.flypittsburgh.com/NewsEve...?option=pressReleases&shortdescp=0



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15964 times:

ALLEGHENY COUNTY AIRPORT AUTHORITY ADDRESSES ADVERTISING OPPORTUNITIES

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PITTSBURGH, PA (April 11, 2008)- The Allegheny County Airport Authority authorized the expansion of its airport display advertising program at Pittsburgh International Airport (www.FlyPittsburgh.com) while also reconfirming its commitment to promoting the region through displays and public art.

The opportunities for advertising are changing with the shift in passenger traffic at Pittsburgh International Airport. As Pittsburgh International Airport becomes an origination and destination airport, the marketing opportunities for advertising are shifting more to the center core of the Airside Terminal, transit level and baggage claim level.

“As more travel begins and ends here, there is renewed interest in exploring revenue opportunities on overhead panels above escalators in high traffic areas such as the airside core and the landside baggage claim area. We are in the process of revising the entire display program with the intent to create new opportunities for advertising which in turn generates new revenue for the Airport Authority,” said Bradley D. Penrod, Executive Director/CEO, Allegheny County Airport Authority. Non-aviation revenue can help reduce the fees charged to the airlines, a means of keeping Pittsburgh International Airport competitive and desirable for airline expansion.

More info at http://www.flypittsburgh.com/NewsEve...?option=pressReleases&shortdescp=3



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15941 times:



Quoting PITops (Reply 2):

Well, it looks like something rather innovative by the ACAA to lower fees a tad more. Hopefully it will work and me can see some expansion in the long run. It looks like, considering the overall economy nationwide, that 2008 may likely be a turbulent year for PIT. very high fuel costs, mergers galore (DL/NW). What if US merges with UA or anyone else. Would it mean the official end to US at PIT? I guess considering the increasing expenses, it may be a while before another airline sets up shop here.

On another note, PITops and I were talking about the city and county proposing a merger of governments, which would make Pittsburgh the 8th most populous city in the country, with roughly 1.25 million residents. Just in the news the other day. The GOP representatives of PA are pushing to lower the income and corporate taxes of PA. They are proposing to lower taxes from the current 3.07% rate to about the 2.9% rate, not quite as low as they were in 2003, but at least in the right direction. Maybe they realize that this country is headed for a very tough economic time and it's trying to keep PA economically and financially competitive throughout all of this...



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15896 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
Well, it looks like something rather innovative by the ACAA to lower fees a tad more. Hopefully it will work and me can see some expansion in the long run. It looks like, considering the overall economy nationwide, that 2008 may likely be a turbulent year for PIT. very high fuel costs, mergers galore (DL/NW). What if US merges with UA or anyone else. Would it mean the official end to US at PIT? I guess considering the increasing expenses, it may be a while before another airline sets up shop here.

It is a good idea to get more revenue but I just hate seeing billboards and stuff all over. I wonder which panel they are talking about. I heard they would take down the metal artwork that hangs over the escalators. I hate to see artwork get removed for advertising.



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User currently offlinePITIngres From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15845 times:

Bummer about JetBlue traffic going down. I hope they hang in there ... after trying them late last year, they are my current preferred airline to SoCal. It's pretty much an all day trip anyway, so going backwards (thru JFK or BOS) really doesn't matter, and I like the extra legroom.


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15805 times:



Quoting PITIngres (Reply 5):
Bummer about JetBlue traffic going down. I hope they hang in there ... after trying them late last year, they are my current preferred airline to SoCal. It's pretty much an all day trip anyway, so going backwards (thru JFK or BOS) really doesn't matter, and I like the extra legroom.

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They did say that they will not add anymore flights this year. I also do hope that they hold their own; them and just about everyone else at PIT. This year and next are going to be very tough on everyone. DL and NW look like they could merge, which will set off other mergers such as CO/UA, UA/US.

It looks like consolidation in the airline industry may finally be upon us. I just hope that this doesn't severely hurt PIT in the long run. DL and NW could become the second largest carrier at PIT, and if UA and US merge, I think it will be the end of the US focus city. UA would be dominant on the East Coast without PIT (BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA, IAD-hub, CLT-hub). If that happens, it looks like PIT will be redundant, and therefore, reduced to nothing more than a spoke, more or less...



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15786 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
UA and US merge, I think it will be the end of the US focus city. UA would be dominant on the East Coast without PIT (BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA, IAD-hub, CLT-hub). If that happens, it looks like PIT will be redundant, and therefore, reduced to nothing more than a spoke, more or less...

UA and US will not merge. It is just fluffer. UA has talked with everybody interested in consolidation, especially DL and CO. We all know how the DL talks went. If UA ends up with anybody, it'll be CO. US simply does not have the cash or competitive position to merge with anybody right now. They blew their chance a year ago--they should've gone after NW immediately following the DL offer. I wonder what NW's traffic looked like the last two months--they did lost pax year-over-year from last year. The hotel industry's going well for me, it will be one month at M6 next Tuesday.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15766 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 7):
UA and US will not merge. It is just fluffer. UA has talked with everybody interested in consolidation, especially DL and CO. We all know how the DL talks went. If UA ends up with anybody, it'll be CO. US simply does not have the cash or competitive position to merge with anybody right now. They blew their chance a year ago--they should've gone after NW immediately following the DL offer. I wonder what NW's traffic looked like the last two months--they did lost pax year-over-year from last year. The hotel industry's going well for me, it will be one month at M6 next Tuesday.

Wow.

I kinda doubt that US and UA will merge as well. My post was essentially just speculation based on the other merger threads going on, especially the one about UA and US. What will become of US after all of this. I do realize they have to finish their merger with HP first and foremost, as there are still a number of bugs that need to be fixed that will officially have those airlines as one.

The only thing I see them bringing to anyone is one colossal mess...

Regarding DL and NW. NW traffic has gone down, but DL has increased traffic year-over-year. They are still on the heels of WN by about 20 or 30k pax each month. Is this gap closing, I doubt it. It is said that if/when DL and NW do merge, both of the pax numbers combined should be pretty much neck and neck with those of WN's. Neither airline will cut service once the merger goes through, at least according to the Post Gazette and Trib-Review. So that means, that DL will essentially pickup MSP, DTW, and MEM, while retaining CVG service [and the rest of the DL hubs]. However, there is talk that CVG and MEM will be dropped as hubs...



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15759 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
On another note, PITops and I were talking about the city and county proposing a merger of governments, which would make Pittsburgh the 8th most populous city in the country, with roughly 1.25 million residents

The metro population (PIT's catchment area) will not be affected however. However, I hope it happens.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
I think it will be the end of the US focus city.

Is PIT still to be considered even a focus city? There are only about 20 mainline flights.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 3):
2008 may likely be a turbulent year for PIT. very high fuel costs, mergers galore (DL/NW).

More specifically, I wonder what this means for PIT being on the short list for future AMS service. If the CVG and MEM hubs remain, I think this merger would be another setback for possible PIT-European service. However, if those hubs (and their own Europe service) go, DL/NW would have spare capacity and the possibility of PIT-AMS might be more realistic.



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User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15735 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):
DL/NW would have spare capacity and the possibility of PIT-AMS might be more realistic.

Which would likely be more successful PIT-CDG or PIT-AMS

Obviously if a combined NW/DL/AF/KL were to market either flight O&D would have to pretty high from PIT's end. My gut tells me CDG is higher than AMS.


I believe many area companies wanted FRA but it is a Star Hub making the chances zero unless UA or US start it. Both have clearly stated PIT is not on their plate for intl flights.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15730 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):
Is PIT still to be considered even a focus city? There are only about 20 mainline flights.

I seriously doubt US even refers to PIT as a focus city. 44 flights a day is a medium-sized line station, not a "heavy concentration of flights," which has become industry lexicon for a focus city. That was the phrasology of DL CEO Richard Anderson during Monday's conference call about the DL/NW merger.

Steeler83, thanks for the refresher--I've been following the DL/NW buzz since I returned to DL last October and have been waiting on a final announcement. Yes, I am well aware of DL's increase in traffic. Working 2:30-11:00p was a nightmare--we did not sit down from approximately 3 to 7p. Our supervisor would send us to lunch whenever she had enough people to work all the flights, usually around 5-6p, give or take. Some days, we wouldn't eat until around 7p! I worked approximately 14 flights on that afternoon shift! NW is now down to approximately 12 flights per day. I believe the breakdown is 5 DTW, 3 MSP and 4 MEM, IINM. I have a friend who is still a ramper for WFS in PIT, so I've been able to keep tabs on both DL and NW at the same time.



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User currently offlineTN757Flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15718 times:

I have friends in the Pittsburgh area, so I'm not totally unsympathetic, but..... No offense, but does the fact that US screwed PIT warrant continual threads on the woes of this airport? I saw some people (me included) get flamed big time over complaints in a thread about WN cuts and not going through with previously announced expansion at BNA, and it was not even a thread about BNA. We were told to stop complaining about the level of service we have. We got screwed by as a hub too remember. Yet it seems PIT supporters continue to gripe and moan about their perceived (real or not) lack of service. US started cutting back PIT years ago, long before the HP merger. Isn't it time to move on and stop bemoaning the fact? I dare say if started a similar thread about BNA, I'd get snide comments right off the bat. News flash folks - just about every airport is getting cuts. The fact that your "hometown" airline screwed you sucks, but get over it already.

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15710 times:



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 12):
We were told to stop complaining about the level of service we have. We got screwed by as a hub too remember. Yet it seems PIT supporters continue to gripe and moan about their perceived (real or not) lack of service. US started cutting back PIT years ago, long before the HP merger. Isn't it time to move on and stop bemoaning the fact? I dare say if started a similar thread about BNA, I'd get snide comments right off the bat. News flash folks - just about every airport is getting cuts. The fact that your "hometown" airline screwed you sucks, but get over it already.

Tell that to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Each article that is written on the airline industry mentions US Airways' downsizing of PIT. Why, I have no idea. I have gotten over it. That's why I'm out of the airline industry. It's just a hobby for me, not a vocation.



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User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15629 times:



Quoting TN757Flyer (Reply 12):

While we have certainly come to accept the current status of the airport...it is still hard to fathom sometimes just how much in the way of air service has left the region. We lost endless non-stop destinations, well over 10,000 jobs, and 500-some flights (including 3 trans-atlantics)...how much did BNA lose? Basically, PIT was one of the largest connecting hubs in the US...and it is mind-boggling to think about it being gone.

If you do not like PIT threads...do not read them. I, for one, would never go into a BNA thread and complain about what you guys care about.

-pgh234


User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15563 times:

These threads aren't made for everyone to bitch and complain about US downsizing PIT. This is for information about rumors and current news articles. Basically keeping the PIT supporters up to date about everything that's going here. I think a good bit of us work at PIT so we get alot of the inside scoop. If you don't like it, then don't come in and read. Simple as that.


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User currently offlineZTagged From Niger, joined Oct 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15491 times:



Quoting PITops (Reply 15):

Amen to that.
Off topic: Does WN have a ramp opening up at PIT in the foreseeable future?  biggrin  Always wanted to try my hand at it..



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User currently offlinePITops From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15451 times:



Quoting ZTagged (Reply 16):
Amen to that.
Off topic: Does WN have a ramp opening up at PIT in the foreseeable future? Always wanted to try my hand at it..

I know they've recently done interviews to try and fill the pool up some more. Nothing is posted right now. Only thing posted is a Ramp Supervisor position. You can always bring in a resume or apply online.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15390 times:



Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 14):
how much did BNA lose?

In TN757's defense, we lost about the same but the economics were different back then and times have changed. WN came in and basically replenished the flights to all of the USA's major cities and then some. Pax numbers are now at all time highs here.

I personally don't mind all the PIT threads as I have some intrest in that part of the country. Plus, it's still cool to see what is happening at other airports across the country. I am sure that if there were enough A.nutters from BNA, there would be some BNA threads here too. And rest assured, the uninformed (which is 99.999999999% of the people on here) about Nashville would trash those threads before they even get off the proverbial ground.

If he (TN757...) doesn't like the PIT threads, or what's in them.....don't click on them to open. Really simple but so hard for some on here.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15388 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):

Is PIT still to be considered even a focus city? There are only about 20 mainline flights.

When you've got flights to places like PIT-IND, PIT-PVD, and PIT-RDU you sure as hell seem like a focus city to me. You don't see that stuff in Columbus, Indy, etc. And US in PIT probably still offers more seats than NWA in IND... their self-proclaimed focus city.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 18):

If he (TN757...) doesn't like the PIT threads, or what's in them.....don't click on them to open. Really simple but so hard for some on here.

Exactly, and threads where TN757 is talking about being flamed for mentioning BNA... and threads where ERJ170 cries about RDU... are typically hijacked threads. These PIT threads aren't hijacking of other threads, they're devoted PIT threads. Like you said... don't like it don't click it. It says plain as day in the title what its about. With the exception of one PIT supporter *cough cough* you don't see PIT folks hijacking a BNA or RDU or (insert airport here) thread to talk about PIT. RDU is probably the worst offender in this regard.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15261 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 19):
When you've got flights to places like PIT-IND, PIT-PVD, and PIT-RDU you sure as hell seem like a focus city to me. You don't see that stuff in Columbus, Indy, etc. And US in PIT probably still offers more seats than NWA in IND... their self-proclaimed focus city.

I think DL/NW will consider IND as a very busy line station, much like what DL currently has at RDU. Anderson's definition of "focus city" seems to cap off the flight departures at 150-plus, which PIT nor IND is anywhere near at all. IND never even had that many flights from US when they were a geniuine focus city for them from around 1992 to 1995.



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15077 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):
The metro population (PIT's catchment area) will not be affected however. However, I hope it happens.

I don't think the metro population will be affected at first, but this merger of government does call for a creation of a metro government. (This is exactly what happened with the Louisville-Jefferson County merger. Louisville's population jumped to over 700,000. If you go to look up Louisville at Wikipedia, the population also includes a "balance" population, which I believe is the rest of the cachement area, of roughly half o' million. Mayor Ravenstahl and County Exec. Onorato want to essentially copy that... (I know that this is from a rather unreliable source, but the US Census is referenced...)

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):
Steeler83, thanks for the refresher--I've been following the DL/NW buzz since I returned to DL last October and have been waiting on a final announcement.

You're welcome.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 9):
If the CVG and MEM hubs remain, I think this merger would be another setback for possible PIT-European service. However, if those hubs (and their own Europe service) go, DL/NW would have spare capacity and the possibility of PIT-AMS might be more realistic.

I think the CVG and MEM hubs may remain for at least a little while and then be dropped, but I am not DL and I don't know what they're thinking regarding those two stations. The O&D is barely half that of PIT at both stations (at least at CVG anyway). Maybe the new DL will see them as having enough merit to keep as hubs. Many others think otherwise.

Having too many hubs can be counter productive, as if that needs to be said. At the same time, it could work. I guess DL wants to see if CVG and MEM could work towards the benefit of this merged airline, but that is just a guess. This worked for US with PIT and PHL hubs, but that was during a rather different era, pre-911... I would post the rest, but we all know about that...



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15038 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 21):

I don't think the metro population will be affected at first, but this merger of government does call for a creation of a metro government. (This is exactly what happened with the Louisville-Jefferson County merger. Louisville's population jumped to over 700,000. If you go to look up Louisville at Wikipedia, the population also includes a "balance" population, which I believe is the rest of the cachement area, of roughly half o' million. Mayor Ravenstahl and County Exec. Onorato want to essentially copy that... (I know that this is from a rather unreliable source, but the US Census is referenced...)

Indy is also another example, "Unigov." Almost the whole of Marion County is the city of Indianapolis, there are even farm fields still within the city limits of Indianapolis because pf this. There were a few cities who opted out of the Unigov and remain independent to this day, then there are a few "included cities" which run some entities separate and some together.

Ravenstahl's problem is you're never going to get the Upper St. Clairs and Fox Chapels to want to combine with the Duquesnes and Wilkinsburgs. And I can't blame them. Why should even more of their taxes be going to prop up places that should have been bulldozed and evacuated years ago?

The catchment area of PIT won't change a damn bit because of Unigov though. Unigov isn't going to create population where population wasn't before. IF (I don't see it happening) there is the Unigov in Allegheny County it still doesn't affect Butler, Westmoreland, Fayette, etc. Those counties are all in PIT's catchment area now, and Unigov won't change that either. "The balance" is going to refer to a place like Monroeville which will probably remain independent, but still be part of Allegheny County as always. At the most, a generation from now or so, once the government savings finally do come to fruition it may bolster the local economy. But by that point the economy will be much more heavily influenced by whatever is happening at the time in the world over all.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14987 times:



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 22):
Indy is also another example, "Unigov." Almost the whole of Marion County is the city of Indianapolis, there are even farm fields still within the city limits of Indianapolis because pf this. There were a few cities who opted out of the Unigov and remain independent to this day, then there are a few "included cities" which run some entities separate and some together.

Ravenstahl's problem is you're never going to get the Upper St. Clairs and Fox Chapels to want to combine with the Duquesnes and Wilkinsburgs. And I can't blame them. Why should even more of their taxes be going to prop up places that should have been bulldozed and evacuated years ago?

Well, I think the idea now is to keep the individual municipalities out of this merger. I think he wants to merge the city and county governments. Other folks want to do an all-out merger (merge 130 municipalities into one, but I don't see this happening either).

Face the music, the city and county government is fragmented as it is. The region is trying to advance forward, but the fragmentation of the governments is kind of hindering this growth. Something needs to happen. The city and region really cannot afford the status quo for much longer if anymore... my 2cents...

I also read that the GOP representatives are pushing for lower taxes for PA, which should hopefully spur some business and job growth.

I dunno, I am not sure what to think of Southwestern PA anymore.



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User currently offlineTooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14860 times:

Interesting to consider what a round of mergers will look like re: gate assignments at PIT & if a consolidation of Skyteam airlines specifically could allow them to either move to the A gates and take over US's old lounge, or build on of their own to bring down gate capacity. We talked about DL needing a lounge a while back, if they had all of NW's flights also there is even more of a case. If UA & CO come together I don't think they would be able to handle all the capacity out of the two UA gates (considering they also ground handle AC). Would the possibly consolidate into the B gates with US?

With the AMS flight, the county said that the merger would most likely not muddle the opportunity if it is still on the table. If anything, combining the Skyteam FF's in Pittsburgh under one airline, and possibly becoming competitive to US for business travel may make it more likely.

I under stand the AMS flight as a spoke to hub opportunity, but it really seams like FRA would be a much better option for the business that operate in Pittsburgh. They are still going to have to make a connection in AMS to get to their final destination, so what is the difference with doing that across the pond rather than at an international gateway in the state or Toronto? I'm asking, not making a statement.

Back to gates, I think it would make sence for DL/NW to swap with B6 & FL in the event of international flights by Delta or KLM (then they could take over BA's lounge assuming my perfect solution of Open Skies offering our TATL service remains a dream).


25 PITops : I would imagine they would stay in D and pretty much run the D concourse. There is plenty of room for the to start a lounge if they wanted to. Just p
26 Vega : What would the hypothetical gate scenario be if US and UA merged?
27 Steeler83 : Well, there was an article a while back in the Post Gazette or Tribune Review which stated that several Pittsburgh-based companies would book with KL
28 Vega : IMO the big advantage of having a non-stop flight from PIT-Europe is that there would be no competition for the seats. Every seat on the internationa
29 PITrules : Agreed; if a connection is needed anyway, might as well have the flight. Plus, AMS has direct rail service to other cities. AMS is the best chance for
30 Tornado82 : Every airline still having 2x as many gates available to them as they actually want/need. My guess would be a big party on B though. Hopefully US/UA
31 PITIngres : Well, if I have to connect in PHL, I'm not doing the trip. I'd connect in AMS before JFK or EWR any day of the week. AMS vs BOS is either an AMS win
32 Tornado82 : Definitely on the cargo aspect of things. Is there any cargo connection at all between PIT and AMS? Eh, I'm a CO loyalist, I'd probably still take th
33 Steeler83 : My guess would be probably not...
34 PITops : Depends on which pattern they are in. If they are in a westerly pattern, using 28R, A concourse would be the best bet for both takeoffs and landings
35 BlueElephant : Hey Guys...Pittsburgh Native, Long time Viewer, not much Posting though... To go along with the conversation...I defintately feel it's more likely now
36 Vega : The problem really isn't likely aircraft availability for a Trans-Atlantic route, it's profitability potential, particularly with today's fuel costs.
37 PITrules : Your second sentence makes no sense, but 32 and 28L are used for about 2/3 of the landings in a westerly configuration, which is used about 90% of th
38 PITrules : That's the key question, in addition to how PIT stacks up to other cities desiring the flight. If the local business community commits to this flight
39 Tornado82 : Likewise that's why I brought it up.
40 Steeler83 : I think that AMS might have enough premium O&D pax in order to make it work. AMS is connected to much of Europe by rail, especially to France and Ger
41 PITops : It was supposed to be 28R at the end of sentence 2. Sorry for the confusion. Sometimes, ATC will land planes on 28R if they are in concourse A like W
42 Lfutia : I think Pittsburgh would have more O/D if there was a better way to the airport by public transit. I know in Chicago, there's trains and busses to the
43 Steeler83 : I think the MAGLEV project is still on the table, but they're also talking about extending light rail service out there. Will it ever happen, who kno
44 Lfutia : well PA did announce that they had a surplus but it''ll be gone soon. Pittsburgh's a great city, I go to school in Pittsburgh. Gas prices keep going u
45 Tornado82 : Hopefully they do better than the GOP did in regards to the Federal Gov't tax cuts. Cutting taxes is all well and good, but if you cut them too far i
46 PITops : I doubt we will see anything like that in our lifetime. If people from Pittsburgh want to travel, they will drive to PIT. The LRT or Maglev would onl
47 PITrules : The GOP tax cuts resulted in greater net income to the federal gov't, under both Reagan and Bush. The problem is spending...a problem with both democ
48 Post contains links Tornado82 : That was true, when the project was originally budgeted. Now that the bids are coming in, some cases 50% over plan, Allegheny County is going to have
49 PITops : Yeah as well as the flags hanging down in C concourse.
50 Steeler83 : Oh, the proposed taxes should still be enough to "pay the bills." They'll be a little higher than the rates from 2003. I think they're proposing a dr
51 Post contains links PITops : TSA Announces Expansion of ‘Diamond’ Self-Select Lanes to Pittsburgh International Airport Read the entire story here http://www.flypittsburgh.com
52 Tornado82 : If someone wanted to do that, they should have thought of it long ago... before all rights to the Western Maryland ROW were turned into the Yough Riv
53 Post contains links PITrules : LBE's (Latrobe) runway extension has seen some use. They've been having charter flights to ACY for years, as well as an occasional LAS and Orlando. Bu
54 Tornado82 : Is it legit, or Flightaware induced?
55 Post contains links PITrules : www.flytecomm.com has the same flights registered, except for Liberia (Flytecomm doesn't cover that region)
56 Tornado82 : That's really... strange. Off the wall guess of maybe some company doing a large conference at Nemacolin Woodlands? LBE would be the closest 738-capab
57 PITrules : I think it is part of the overall runway extension project. The idea was to extend it about 1500' southwest (not sure about the exact figures), then
58 Steeler83 : I was actually just thinking of mostly greater Pittsburgh vecinity to Washington-Baltimore-Philly travelers. Ya know, come to think of it, that would
59 PITops : Anyone going to the airshow this weekend?
60 NWADC9 : Me! I assume the FedEx A300 will make another appearance?
61 AndyinPIT : In case anyone is interested...Shuttle is taking over 2 of the Mesa flights on the UA side starting next month. We'll have a 620am E170 and another do
62 Steeler83 : Well I guess downgrades like these are taking place at markets all across the country, considering the economy and beyond-rediculous fuel costs.
63 PITops : I would assume so. Usually is. Weather doesn't look too promising. Rain showers forecast all weekend.
64 NWADC9 : NO! NO! NO! So we're left with DL sending 75's now? Saturday's supposed to be partly cloudy and 69°, but Sunday will be raining and 63° I'm going S
65 AndyinPIT : Very true, but I think the upgrade to the 170 on the IAD market is a good move. But again, UA failed to put it on the flight that actually needs it.
66 PITrules : But those 757s and Airbuses are going somewhere, just not here. I don't think United is parking any of those. Don't forget UPS!
67 Tornado82 : I did my solo XC CKB-LBE-CKB. Nice place, although a wicked chunk of turbulence base to final on 23. They'd miss the boat entirely if they don't loop
68 Steeler83 : Come to think of it, I think Dayton is supposed to be served by this proposed rail line. After passing through Columbus, the rail line turns more tow
69 N670UW : Why is the airshow so early this year? Usually it's in June or July...
70 Tornado82 : I thought it was alot later last year, but then just assumed I was wrong.
71 PITops : Usually it's in July. Last year it was in June. For some reason they wanted it in May this year. Maybe to get certain aircraft here. Probably the Rap
72 PITrules : Did AirTran cut PIT-FLL/TPA/RSW? The flights are not shown on the flight trackers such as FlyteComm, nor are they bookable on AirTran's web site. They
73 N670UW : I guess they were supposed to be seasonal, who knows. They weren't bookable after June or July even when AirTran first put them up for sale. Seems to
74 Steeler83 : That's a bit odd... When they were launched back in February, it was launched as daily service and didn't indicate seasonal only. I thought those fli
75 Tornado82 : Florida season diminshes a bit come summer time.
76 PITrules : That's what I thought as well. They didn't even operate 3 full months. The hits at PIT keep coming...
77 Post contains links Vega : "US Airways/United merger could be good news or bad news for region....." http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08130/880305-28.stm
78 N670UW : On another note, it also looks like Delta's SLC-PIT service ends September 1.
79 PITrules : What a rough week. -United downgrades one of their DEN frequencies to an RJ, as well as downgrading their 757 service which we've had for the past few
80 ZTagged : That's a shame, really. I would've thought this was one of their better routes. Makes sense, because US has pretty much always had Florida domination
81 N670UW : While they are pulling 757 service from ORD, they're also upgrading the last PIT-ORD of the day, from a CRJ to a 737. So while PIT-ORD loses the 757'
82 N670UW : And just to add, I wonder how much more willing Trans States will be to keep these at-risk RJ routes around at PIT with these fuel prices, especially
83 Vega : The reported Average Daily Loads for PIT to SLC on DL for the 4th Qtr 2007 was 65 passengers/day. That's a LF of less than 50% on a 738. This may hav
84 Pgh234 : 65 passengers per-day on a 76 passenger jet isn't too bad. Did it operate on Saturdays in April? If it didn't that may make the numbers even more impr
85 RSWA330 : I'm pretty sure that the PIT-RSW run was seasonal. I'm sure it will be coming back next season. FL has already ended most of their seasonal destinatio
86 PITops : And this is a change how? It's already a ghost town.
87 PITrules : I got a chuckle from that quote as well. Here's another one: "The addition of United's larger fleet would require a lot more mechanics on site in Pit
88 Lfutia : Did anyone go to Wings Over Pittsburgh today? I did! I've got pictures on my cell phone in which i'll post later. Leo
89 Post contains links Tornado82 : Capacity is being cut nationwide as well for the most part because of the fuel/recessionary economy... so capacity cuts are also "not a problem isola
90 PITrules : Continental is still expanding in CLE (although not as much as originally planed) , AirTran in MKE, B6 in several locations such as AUS, WN in DEN, S
91 NWADC9 : Where were you? Front of the grass area on the left corner with an iPhone? If so, NWADC9 was right behind you attempting to get pics on his cell
92 Lfutia : No. I was not the fat kid. did you have a red phone? I had the LG Venus. it depends where in the front section. Leo[Edited 2008-05-11 06:42:16]
93 PITops : I was there. Had my chair under the wing of the Canada C130. Stood up from near the fence for the good performers. Was in the section closest to 28C
94 Lfutia : I was in a grey sweatshirt that said Jnco Jeans and a plaid button down shirt and a t-shirt that said This Is Why I'm Hot Leo
95 USPIT10L : Good, there's no reason for UA to not fly mainline now that US is out of that market. 65 people a day!?! You have to be joking. I worked that flight
96 NWADC9 : Yes, I had a red phone. I think I saw you... T-shirt's white in the back? If so, I saw you. And you! I had a black long-sleeve polo shirt with beige
97 Vega : No I'm not joking.These are DOT reported numbers - not something "made up". Did you ever think that many passengers to DEN, particularly leisure, che
98 Lfutia : I kept looking at your phone to see if it was cricket or verizon. You should know what i look like lol dark skin short. Were you behind that family w
99 NWADC9 : It's neither-Cingular/AT&T. An SGH-A707 aka SYNC I kept on thinking to myself, "Could that guy be Lfutia? Nah... Maybe?" And yes, I knew what you loo
100 Lfutia : well you shoulda said somethin lol. dammit i should of worn my KLM shirt. btw. your buddy in Rotterdam told me to tell you to get on MSN sometime yeah
101 Tornado82 : CO's CLE expansion is a result of reallocating connections to CLE and making EWR more O&D specific (because of capacity restraints in EWR). And in th
102 Steeler83 : Well, now it looks like the economy and fuel costs are now hurting PIT (given that the rest of the country and everything else in it is suffering as i
103 PITops : Yeah I saw it. My mom and dad went to use the head right before it came in. She would've loved to see it. Huge Steelers fan. My dad, not so much haha
104 Lfutia : When i got to the event, i started thinking if any a.netters were going. What i should of done was post what colour shirt i was wearing so someone cou
105 Steeler83 : It would be nice if I could be able to attend such a meet. It would be nice if I could time it just right that I'd be out there when yinz are all hav
106 NWADC9 : I didn't know it was you until your post Heck yes! I'm flying out to MKE and MCI on YX on June 18 in the morning, so if anyone can go airside, there'
107 PITops : I'll let you know what my schedule is like in a week or so.
108 Tooluther : help me out guys: Is US not codesharing on UA's DEN non-stops from PIT now that they don't have any of their own? I have a bump ticket on US and I'm h
109 Post contains links PITrules : I figured this would be a better place to continue this conversation instead of hijacking the PIT-SLC thread. I have been saying the same thing for a
110 AndyinPIT : They should still be codesharing the flight, but can you use the "bump" ticket on United? I know with United, it HAS to be a true UA/UAX flight, no c
111 PITops : New flags are flying on the poles on the short term parking garage. Now it is, England, Canada, Mexico, and another country's flag I can't recognize y
112 Jsposaune : It's the Dominican Republic, for U5's Punta Cana flight. If they wanted to be really accurate, they'd get rid of the Union Jack and put up a Jamaican
113 PITrules : The Dominican.. After flying tattered and worn flags of counties not served for years, they make the change I suggested here within a couple weeks -
114 Jsposaune : Actually, with the ACAA's logic, the Jamaican flag should be flying now and for oh...about another 4 years!
115 Steeler83 : " target=_blank>http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt....html Well, I did see that AMS wants PIT-AMS to happen as much as we PIT-folks do. That was po
116 AndyinPIT : For anyone who was working today...... anyone know who the all white 737 belonged to? I was driving down 60 and I saw it fly over, landing 10L at like
117 PITops : All white 737 was probably a charter of some sort. When I was leaving airside yesterday, I saw 4 F9 EMBs sitting at the end of B concourse. I've seen
118 Tornado82 : Republic did sign awhile back for some kind of mx hangars/center at PIT. I don't know if its operational yet but you're probably right in that regard
119 Jsposaune : Possibly, but more likely a con-air type of flight. I saw the Red Wing's DC-9 touch down about 1400 on 10L....I boo'ed it!!
120 Flaps : The Penguins often use an unmarked, all white Miami Air 738. They arrive and depart from the FBO amid heavy security.
121 Jsposaune : The Pens came in on BSK692, a Miami Air 734 right after the game. It arrived at 0316 on Tuesday morning. The unmarked 734 in question was almost certa
122 PITops : That would explain alot. Would be neat to see Frontier here but that won't happen.
123 Post contains links and images NWADC9 : Saw this guy at the hangars May 5 View Large View MediumPhoto © John E. Jauchler - New England Airports
124 Tornado82 : That date about corresponds with the F9 dumping of the 170's thanks to their bankruptcy filing.
125 Post contains links PITops : AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND LSG SKY CHEFS ANNOUNCE OPENING OF NEW FROZEN FOOD FACILITY LOCATED AT PITTSBURGH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT LSG Sky Chefs expands ope
126 Steeler83 : Did anyone read the June 5th PR on the airport website? Umm... can anyone say "typo?" I think the PR meant to say A320, and not A330. Of course, it wo
127 PITrules : JetBlue is providing the A-320 flights. On the MBDA website under the 737 picture, it also says "Flights operated by JetBlue Airways". On another note
128 AndyinPIT : We had 1 737-300 come in ORD-LGA. I was in the bagroom today, but I think it landed around 6ish, and when I left at 9 it was still out there. Geraldo
129 PITops : What a day for me to be working on Landside. Missed all the action. Our gates look out at the AA and DL gates. NW might have had some on east side of
130 PITops : Another FX MD11 came in tonight around 7ish. I can't find it on flightaware at all. Anyone have any ideas? It is still sitting over on the FX ramp.
131 Post contains links PITrules : Perhaps this DC-10, diverted from MEM-YYZ. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX128
132 Post contains links N670UW : So Onorato and Penrod have a meeting with Gary Kelly this week... http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08168/890205-28.stm
133 Steeler83 : " target=_blank>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08168...8.stm I don't expect very much from this meeting, other than a "sorry, but we cannot do that r
134 Post contains links Vega : From a more optomistic vewpoint: "Southwest plans to expand" http://www.statesman.com/business/co...wa.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=3
135 Steeler83 : " target=_blank>http://www.statesman.com/business/co...cat=3 Thanks for that positive link, Vega. I guess the question then is, how much of that grow
136 PITops : They want to have at least 100-110 flights per day at DEN and they want to turn PHL into a mega hub. Which to me makes no sense with all the delays a
137 PITrules : Perhaps a typo, but I'd like to hear the ACAA explain this one, from the same press release: "AirTran added additional Florida flights to Ft. Myers,
138 Kubus : Is F9 serving PIT? On my way to CLT on 6/7 I saw 2 A319 at the end of B gates? Was it charter/scheduled/something else? They could start DEN and just
139 PITrules : Those were E-170's belonging to Republic Airways. They are being stored at the end of the B gates after being dropped by F9. I saw 5-6 of them there
140 Vega : Have you heard anyone from WN complain about delays at PHL? I mean I don't think I've heard/read anyone mention that the network is negatively impact
141 Kubus : PITrules, the only B29 that is airworthy is currently grounded due to engine problems. It kind of fits though, then again I couldn't tell F9's E170 fr
142 Willbdsp : I always thought it would be great as a set for TV and movies. An actual airport for an airport scene.
143 NWADC9 : B17 here for flightseeing, I think.[Edited 2008-06-17 10:23:08]
144 Post contains links PITrules : B-17 and B-24 http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/east/s_359710.html
145 PITops : A movie just got done filming here just before the airshow. Used pretty much the entire airport. Landside, alternate checkpoint, and end of B concour
146 Silentbob : It was also used in Dogma, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon are in the "Milwaukee" airport, but it was actually filmed at PIT.
147 Willbdsp : A girl I went to high school with was in that scene. She walked down the concourse and then stopped and grabbed a magazine. I, too, am in that movie,
148 PITops : Many others were filmed there. "She's Out Of My League" was just the latest. Wikipedia has a good list of the ones filmed here.
149 Steeler83 : I know "Houseguest" with Sinbad was filmed there. Was "Only You" filmed there? Marisa Tomey's character flew PIT-JFK-Italy on TWA in that movie... Reg
150 PITops : IF they do international. MCO would be a big market too if they did Carribean flights.
151 Willbdsp : Yes, it was. I remember seeing it on TV and saying "I know that airport!" PIT would be great for international ops, but wouldn't that mean that WN wo
152 AndyinPIT : I have a really hard time seeing WN doing international flying out of PIT. I can see 30-40 flights per day before I can see international flying. Ner
153 Willbdsp : Soon, PIT will only be left with E170's and a wide assortment of regional jets. A far cry from where it was in 2000.
154 Steeler83 : What airline is that? US or one of the other majors? I am assuming that it's US considering the reference to PIT in 2000...
155 PITops : I am guessing US. Everyone else's schedules won't change too drastically. US is the one with the drastic changes.
156 Post contains links and images PITrules : View Large View Medium Photo © Sven De Bevere One of these came in from MEX this morning; most likely a fuel stop/crew rest.[Edited 2008-06-20 11:03:
157 USPIT10L : Actually, he works at UA. Most, if not all the cuts in the fall skeds for US will be from LAS, not PIT.
158 PITrules : Anyone know why all the flights from Gulfport, MS today? Two AirTran (737s) Four WN
159 PITops : Military charters. We had 4 or so going to Gulfport a few weeks ago. Now they are bringing military men back.
160 Steeler83 : So, UA might be going pretty much all RJ flying? Wow... I heard that UA might be (or is most certainly) in some trouble... Right, I somehow forgot th
161 USPIT10L : UA just announced about a week ago that ALL 737s will be parked. That's 90% of UA's mainline flights at PIT and about half the UA system.
162 Steeler83 : Wow... that's massive... ouch, for everyone really...
163 PITops : From a very reliable source... The TSA is getting ready to do an overhaul of the checkpoints at PIT. They will be making the alternate 5 lanes instead
164 Post contains links PITops : Read the full story at... http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08173/891615-147.stm They say they are having people park in the employee lot but yet parkin
165 Flaps : On another note, does anyone know who owns the private 757 that was parked at the FBO today? I couldnt get the reg but did get a photo. I doubt that I
166 PITIngres : So, they aren't going to increase peak capacity, and they are going to move 28% of their capacity to a more distant location. My thoughts? that they
167 PITops : I figured they would leave the main checkpoint with 7 lanes instead of reducing it down to 5, but yet still add more lanes at the alternate. That woul
168 Post contains links PITrules : More cuts coming: http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pi.../2008/06/23/daily14.html?ana=yfcpc
169 PITops : I heard today that US will be down to around 30 flights by years end. Is this rumor true? I would think so with the recent news of US skycap service b
170 Steeler83 : " target=_blank>http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pi...yfcpc And WN will only get closer to over-taking US. They don't even have to expand, either!!
171 MasseyBrown : It doesn't look like any carrier will be doing much expanding. A few months ago in this thread I referred to Pittsburgh and Cleveland as post-Rustbel
172 PITops : I don't see any airline expanding this year at PIT. Mainly because the state of the airlines isn't very good. The next 3 to 5 years could be interest
173 PITrules : Such as?
174 AndyinPIT : Going back to my end of the airport....I was toying around with our employee weblist, here's what our schedule looks like right up to Sept 2nd (suppo
175 Post contains links KarlB737 : Another report from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: Airlines To Slash Flights At Pittsburgh International - June 25, 2008 http://www.pittsburghlive.com
176 Steeler83 : Heck, there's no doubt that nobody will add anything at anytime soon, and that's not just at PIT either. I saw that airlines are making cuts all acro
177 Post contains links PITops : More on the cuts... http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08178/892770-455.stm
178 MAH4546 : American Eagle will discontinue the PIT-LGA route in November.
179 Steeler83 : " target=_blank>http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08178/...5.stm Well, I hate this economy...
180 Steeler83 : Hey, If anyone is interested... I heard some rather fascinating stuff from my girlfriend's dad. He was watching "World's Fastest" on the History Chann
181 Mls515 : I'm supposed to go to PIT on Tuesday. It's kind of sad to see the underutilized airport when I go through there. Just like STL. It's real eerie!
182 Pitrules : Yes, Obama would magically be able to do in office what has not been previously been possible....even with a democratically controlled congress. Give
183 Flaps : Another big hurdle to the MAGLEV project in Pittsburgh is public opposition. The proposed line goes through a lot of prime real-estate, particularly i
184 PITrules : I want to clarifly my opinion on the Maglev project. I think the technology is great, and if it can be developed into a viable, affordable, and self s
185 Post contains links PITrules : But with one less flight to choose from: http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pi.../2008/06/23/daily32.html?ana=yfcpc "The announcement comes just a wee
186 Steeler83 : Where at is Penn Twp? Is that in Allegheny or Westmoreland County? From what it sounds, if this neighborhood popped up within the last couple of deca
187 PITops : They need to finish the Mon- Fayette Expressway project first before doing this crap. The T is losing money. Why would they build this? This was in t
188 Ktrick45 : Westmoreland, near Murrysville. My sister lives there. The original Maglev alignment would have taken 10 feet of their backyard. Wouldn't be a loss,
189 Tooluther : I was thinking the other day that as bad as things are at PIT with US right now can you imagine if we had been strung along until now? I'm sure US's f
190 PITrules : Agreed 100%. Lets finish one of the last segments of the interstate system (what...Pittsburgh last?) before diverting funds for something else. That'
191 MAH4546 : The flight has been bookable for quite a while already. Unless the OP is referring to a second frequency?[Edited 2008-06-30 23:58:20]
192 PITrules : First frequency; the flight is not operating currently. TPA and RSW appear to be returning as well in the fall.
193 Jsposaune : Just a return of the seasonal stuff. They are bookable, but the schedules aren't official as of yet.
194 Steeler83 : Tell me about it! Yes, they must. They already started it, now let's finish it. People may still be against the road from being completed, but it wou
195 PITops : As far as I know they are in the final design phase. They have the funding for Phase II IIRC. At the eastern terminus near 22, it looked like they we
196 Steeler83 : Yeah, at least between I-79 and the Airport, anyway...
197 PITops : Yeah that's what I meant. Nothing will help the other way towards downtown. At least for now anyways.
198 Steeler83 : Yeah... They better get to it soone than later tho. By the time it gets built, it might be already outdated. Then again, we're only talking about wes
199 NWADC9 : UGH! THE THINGS I MISS WHEN I LEAVE!!! At least I got to spot an RAF VC-10 at MCI and an EI A330 at MKE What's wrong with leaving the lanes just the
200 N670UW : I left on a flight to CLT out of B35 the other day and there were several Frontier-painted E-170's parked on the end of the odd-numbered side of B (i
201 Flaps : There are three more parked in front of the old TWA hangers that Republic is using for maintenance.
202 PITops : The first is parked between the B39 and B41 jetways, the 2nd is between 41 and 43, the 3rd is sitting close to 43. There is a 4th around the terminal.
203 Post contains links PITops : http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/luketenley/011.jpg Here is a pic I took with my phone from inside the A concourse looking across at the F9 air
204 NWADC9 : We had TWA hangars? Thanks! I have a photo from that angle, but it didn't turn out quite right. Which one's the fourth one? Was it a horse or somethi
205 PITrules : Yes, those ancient blue ones. I'm not sure if one or both were TWA. At one point United had one of them as well. I believe TWA used one until sometim
206 Lfutia : May I ask what is so special about the PIT-MDT flights other than Harrisburg being the state capital? Is it a heavily used flight for the politicians
207 Steeler83 : Yes, TWA had a nice presence at PIT back in the '70s. Someone posted a time table of TW's PIT service circa 1975. They had I think upwards of 40-50 f
208 PITrules : Nothing, other than it is yet another market to be dropped from PIT. Some A.net posters think it is no big deal that markets within driving range of
209 AGC525 : Funny, a friend of mine (who knows absolutely nothing about aviation) told me he heard the worlds biggest airplane was coming to PIT, his company was
210 Buddys747 : They had good loads from what I was told, whether there was good revenue or not who knows. Who ever said it was "special"? No one wants to see flight
211 Pliersinsight : NOT TRUE. PIT is well utilized for KC-135 touch and gos during the day and for the occasional night practice ILS approach for area flight students wh
212 Post contains links PITrules : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA9849 Northwest has a 747-200 inbound at this time from MSP. It is scheduled to turn to HNL soon after arrival. J
213 Post contains links PITrules : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA9988 Just an update; this is now operating as flight 9988. Apparently it was in PIT all day due to a mechanical
214 Pliersinsight : Do you remember when there was a daily BA 744, those were the days.
215 PITrules : Those were indeed the days. And before the 744, it was a nice mix of 742 and L-1011s. Also tonight, a CAL 753 diverted from LAX.
216 N670UW : Wow. Don't see those too often. That old thing had to eat up a pretty good chunk of 28R (or 28L) departing to HNL.
217 Silentbob : Loads were decent but most of the passengers were connecting to other destinations. Why waste the fuel when they could just get on an existing flight
218 NWADC9 : ...and of course I miss all the good stuff!!! AA mainline, UA 757's, CO 753, NW 757's and 742(!!!) At least that 742's gotta come back and drop the ki
219 PITops : It did indeed take a good chunk of 28R this evening. I was working airside when I heard over our radio, "Here comes the 747." So i went to the window
220 Pliersinsight : No, they have their own fleet of a/c, including a King Air, all at taxpayer expense.
221 AndyinPIT : anyone know when that 742 is coming back? from the sound of it, i guess i just missed it. my shift starts at 9.
222 PITops : I'm trying to find out.
223 Steeler83 : Wow... I bet that vintage NWA 747 was a nice sight to see! I remember the BA 744s and 742s as well. I guess considering this retched economy, schedul
224 PITrules : I'm still hoping for this airport authority to promote PIT as an alternative to JFK and develope some kind of air cargo business through the right in
225 Tooluther : Hopefuly they have better luck when it does. Apparently, they had a 14 hour delay on the way out due to mechanical difficulties. All kinds of crazy s
226 Steeler83 : Oh I agree with that. You'd think that since it looks like they're all "gung-ho" with the 7 warehouse/depot structures going up that they'd actually
227 NWADC9 : I'd be surprised if they DIDN'T fly out of the old int'l heavy gates. There's no room for a jumbo anywhere else! You're no help
228 PITops : It was parked at the end of C on the only double jetway PIT has. Uhhhh what?
229 NWADC9 :
230 Post contains links PITrules : I don't think they started yet; who knows what's going on. At the same time, we still have the developers of this all new cargo airport wanting to go
231 Steeler83 : I think you and I both know that Pennsylvania is beyond backwards. Selecting PIT as a major cargo airport would be a no-brainer, of course! Does the
232 Post contains links PITrules : Looks like the Sydney charter is scheduled to return on Monday, July 21. http://www.dioceseofgreensburg.org/D...D400613783/$File/brochure08new.pdf
233 Steeler83 : Wow, tomorrow already -- erh, uh, today, actually Anywaty, I saw in the postgazette that a really bad storm blew a baggage cart into someone? Anyone h
234 PITops : I'm not sure about the baggage cart. But it did blow the huge blue tarps away they have covering the construction equipment on the roof of landside.
235 Post contains links PITrules : The flight can be tracked as NWA9989 at http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight Here is the latest: Airline Northwest Flight Number 9989 Departu
236 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Article from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporting May 2008 passenger totals: US Airways' numbers fall 39 percent at Pittsburgh airport Total passen
237 Post contains links PITops : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NWA9989 If anyone is going out to spot, let me know. I'm going to try and head out.
238 PITrules : Get some pics because with only two passenger 747 classics left in the US, this may very well be the last time a classic in passenger configuration v
239 Steeler83 : When did Air Force One visit PIT? I remember the time Air Force One came to PHL last year. G. W. Bush screwed up PHL service for pretty much everyone
240 PITrules : Several times; at least twice in 2004 during the re-election campaign.
241 USPIT10L : I helped clean that charter in 2004. That was the day it did nothing but rain. Carnegie ended up looking like Venice.
242 PITops : Air Force One was here a few months ago if I remember correctly. Traffic was halted for awhile.
243 NWADC9 : And AGAIN I miss the 747!!! I'm not having any luck with special rarities, aren't I?
244 PITops : I didn't see the arrival because I was at the Waterfront but I did drive through the airport on my way home and she was still sitting at the end of C
245 Post contains links PITops : PITTSBURGH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT PASSENGER TRAFFIC REPORT FOR MAY 2008 Full report at http://www.flypittsburgh.com/NewsEventsServlet
246 NWADC9 : Which 742 was it? N623US (bowling shoe) or N624US (new)?
247 N670UW : Off topic, but has anyone checked Northwest's PIT schedule recently? The October schedule has no mainline in PIT. Everything is Compass/Pinnacle/Mesab
248 PITrules : If you missed today, you missed a whopper of a day as far as volume of diversions. While the east coast was being clobbered, PIT recieved at least th
249 PITops : We only had one diversion. Our dispatch called us with a PHX-PHL flight that was going to be diverted but we had no available gates. Shocking, with t
250 NWADC9 : So where would they go? Their airlines' gates if applicable, or just find a spot? That just makes me wanna cry
251 Post contains links N670UW : Plenty of diversions going on today with the thunderstorms moving through the Northeast -- a JetBlue A320, two AA MD-80's, an extra UAL 737 and 757, a
252 PITrules : Yup, another good day for diversions. In addition to those, I counted 3 AA MDs and 1 757, two Midwest 717s, two WNs, 1 CAL, 1 DAL, several AE and US
253 NWADC9 : More diversions?! And I miss 'em AGAIN?! In other news, I saw a WN bird pass by in a special livery this morning. It had winglets, and what looked lik
254 Silentbob : Seriously? Ok, I'll take the bait again. PIT to NYC is six hours on the road and Boston is nearly ten. From Hazleton, it's 2.5 and 5.5 respectively.
255 PITrules : OK; a 35 mile radius around PIT has more population than the same distance around Hazleton. A 350 mile radius around PIT has more population as well.
256 PITops : Not sure. I started at 1pm. California One and Triple Crown One were the only ones I saw today. Was nice to see all the diversions. Seeing all the AA
257 Steeler83 : Not to mention, wouldn't Hazleton have to be pretty much built from the ground up? Do they have enough runways for that, and are they even long enoug
258 Post contains links PITrules : That's the thing...there's nothing there. No runways, nothing. It would a $+1billion project to flatten a hilltop and build a 13,000' runway, taxiway
259 PITops : Last I heard before I left work was the guy was from Tel Aviv and since his flight was delayed out of PIT, he thought he would delay his other flight
260 USPIT10L : That's probably right on the money there. Who is this clown the ACAA just hired, anyway? Another "good-ole-boy" who schmoozed up to Allegheny County?
261 Silentbob : That's how we roll in PA. It's all about being connecting and getting more out of the people you have, not trying to grow and improve.
262 PITops : New thread started guys. Whats Going on at PIT part 7. Look it up.
263 USPIT10L : Then I'm finding somewhere else to live as soon as I graduate from CCAC. Screw this state!
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