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Will Malaysia Join Skyteam Ever?  
User currently offlineKrasof From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Does anyone know if there are any concrete plans for Malaysia to join Skyteam? If so, when?

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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Ask Air France. In the past it has been said that AF stands in the way. Not sure if that is still the case but a couple of years ago they did.


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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3425 times:

At this point, I think MH itself stands in the way of blocking entry into SkyTeam -- the airline has been frustrated in its efforts to restructure, especially with respect to international operations.


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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 3361 times:

No doubt, MH would be a very good partner for both, quality of service and add a new World area poorly-served by SkyTeam.

But like said above, AF seems have some reason to object. I wonder what's it.



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Malaysia Airlines plans to relocate its London services to Heathrow Terminal 4 later this year - yet another step closer to KLM and Skyteam no doubt.

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Well I would like Malaysian and Virgin Blue to join Skyteam

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

It would be a good fit MAS and Skyteam, how about OneWorld?


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

If I am not mistaken, LHR will be the only non-SkyTeam European destination in MH's routemap. In Europe, MH will serve, exclusively, SkyTeam hubs such as FCO, CDG and KLM. This seems to me like a very clear sign that there is interest on MH's side, on SkyTeam's side or even on both sides, to have MH eventually join.

In the past there have been very interesting posts in respect of this subject by very well informed Malaysian friends. I hope we will see some replies from them this time around too.



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2253 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2813 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
LHR will be the only non-SkyTeam European destination in MH's routemap.

ARN, my Mexican friend, ARN!



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

True, the EWR-ARN-KUL flight! Sorry about that. I remember several users said that this flight was going to be terminated after MH had concluded it was not profitable... they did change their mind in the end and decided to keep it, am I right RedChili?


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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1241 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

As far as I know, Mas wants to join an alliance ie Skyteam, the problem they have is getting accepted.

Regarding ARN - They changed their minds after intense political pressure.
The problem with the route is that ARN-EWR is not profitable and ARN-KUL is not having great loads in Business class.

Sweden is one of the 7 identified key growth markets for Malaysian Industry and tourism. Mas is a goverment controlled company and thus will always have to follow political wills to a certain extent.
This makes having a stop in Sweden valuable for MAS and explains this stop. Add on the national prestige to serve New York and then you know why this route is still served.

Some argues that Scandinavia and ARN can be served through Mas partner KLM. Most industry observers disagrees, if non-stop traffic to Scandinavia stops, travelflows will change. Except for those that choose the cheapest option very few customers would consider flying two hours in the wrong direction en route to their final destination.

Another trivia fact: One should not forget that during the European winter months, 12 Swedish cities sees regular non-stop charter traffic on widebodies to Thailand.
Add on SAS and Thai Aiways non-stop between BKK-ARN and the amount of seats between Sweden and Thailand becomes a lot higher than what I would have imagined before I was shown the statistics. It shocked me to say the least.



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2658 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
In Europe, MH will serve, exclusively, SkyTeam hubs

Apart from ARN as discussed - MAS continues to serve FRA too...


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2512 times:



Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 10):
As far as I know, Mas wants to join an alliance ie Skyteam, the problem they have is getting accepted.

I can't understand why AF could refuses to see MH as a SkyTem member.

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 11):
MAS continues to serve FRA too...

What happened with the VIE flight?



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User currently offlineCHANGYOU From Singapore, joined Nov 2003, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2498 times:
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Quoting MAS777 (Reply 11):
MAS continues to serve FRA

Wasn't FRA on the chopping board too? After removing ZRH from their network SQ double up the service from SIN. And apparently the 77W are being filled up around 75-100% most the time.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4753 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2444 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 2):
No doubt, MH would be a very good partner for both, quality of service and add a new World area poorly-served by SkyTeam.

But like said above, AF seems have some reason to object. I wonder what's it.



Quoting SKY1 (Reply 12):
I can't understand why AF could refuses to see MH as a SkyTem member.

AF presently code shares their CDG-Australia flights on QF via SIN. If MH enters Skyteam, AF would be obligated to upset their status quo with QF and realign their code shares with MH via KUL, thus reducing the yield they presently enjoy via SIN.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
True, the EWR-ARN-KUL flight! Sorry about that. I remember several users said that this flight was going to be terminated after MH had concluded it was not profitable... they did change their mind in the end and decided to keep it, am I right RedChili?

When it was decided in 2006 to axe the flights, Visit Malaysia Year 2007 was around the corner so the government urged MH to keep the flight. But now, 2007 has come and gone...

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 10):
Sweden is one of the 7 identified key growth markets for Malaysian Industry and tourism. Mas is a goverment controlled company and thus will always have to follow political wills to a certain extent.
This makes having a stop in Sweden valuable for MAS and explains this stop. Add on the national prestige to serve New York and then you know why this route is still served.

To add on, initially the flights to EWR were flown via DXB. However, when EK started DXB-JFK, MH started to fly via ARN (dropping DXB-EWR) instead leading a lot of people to suspect that they didn't want to compete with EK for the NYC pie. I believe it is still in the present CEO's plans to axe this flight but it will be hard for the airline to steer away from political intereference. Things are slowly changing to look a the bright side of things. But they are changing ever so S L O W L Y...



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User currently offlineAirpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 946 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 2389 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 14):
Things are slowly changing to look a the bright side of things. But they are changing ever so S L O W L Y...

But that's the problem isn't it? You can't afford to move so slowly in the increasingly liberalised world of aviation. I am starting to believe MH can only do well on routes where it's a monopoly (or almost one); otherwise it'll bleed money or pull out. Maybe AF just don't want another Alitalia in Skyteam  Wink


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4753 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2304 times:



Quoting Airpearl (Reply 15):
But that's the problem isn't it? You can't afford to move so slowly in the increasingly liberalised world of aviation. I am starting to believe MH can only do well on routes where it's a monopoly (or almost one); otherwise it'll bleed money or pull out. Maybe AF just don't want another Alitalia in Skyteam

Aiyo! Hush....! Otherwise you will get ambushed tonight by some over-zealous MWingers! Actually just one of them...

Well, jokes aside, it remains to be seen how effective the BTPs are so far. Many are inclined to think that the profits are short term ones and I tend to agree. Pockets of profits are sprouting out here and there but the image of the airline on a whole has been tarnished to the point almost beyond redemption. From a 5-Star multi awarded carrier, it has now aligned themselves with Aer Lingus alienating their core corporate clientele.

So will MAS weather the present business climate? Only time will tell, and I believe that AF feels the same way too which is why they are taking their time giving the green light to MAS. Star Alliance witnessed the collapse of VARIG, Ansett and the near death of Air New Zealand. One World seems stable for now, while Skyteam has an out-of-steam Alitalia on their hands. I am sure they are in no hurry to sign on MAS but to let them sort out their mess first before even considering it.



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