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Production Of The 737-300 And 737-200Adv  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

I have some questions regarding the history of the 737-300 and -200Adv.
According to the Boeing website the first 737-300 was delivered in 1984 but the last 737-200Adv was delivered in 1988 to Ximan.I was wondering why airlines continued to order the 737-200Adv so long after the next generation 737 with modern engines and better fuel efficieny was available ? Was is it because the 737-500 was not available until 1989 and they did not need the larger -300 ? Or was it because of the huge order backlog of the 737-200 that took them so long to deliver all aircraft ?
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/background.html


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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

I think you have comprehensively answered your own question.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

I just think the 737-200Adv is really one generation behind the -300 and it made me wonder. The new engines and technology could have off-set the disadvantage of the bigger size. 4 years of production side by side next to its successor is really a long time.


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User currently offlineLockstockNL777 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2008, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3675 times:



Quoting Philb (Reply 1):

So which of the two answers was it? The backlog or the availability of the -500? Or was it actually both?


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3668 times:



Quoting LockstockNL777 (Reply 3):
So which of the two answers was it? The backlog or the availability of the -500? Or was it actually both?

Both


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3637 times:



Quoting Philb (Reply 4):
Both

The 737-500 was first delivered in 1989 so this makes sense as the production of the 737-200 was ceased one year before of that.
But still, I can not think of any aircraft before and after where the predecessor and its successor were build together for 4 years.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

The 732Adv. has some things that made it advantageous for certain operations, like into less developed airfields. The engines are higher off the ground than the engines on the succeeding versions of the 737, so there is a lesser chance of FOD ingestion. Alaska used 732s as the workhorse of much of their intra-Alaska services, as many of those airports had runways that were a bit rough due to the effects of the weather on the runway material. Same is pretty much true about AQ's fleet of 732s they used for intra-island flying.

Remember, Boeing was also still delivering 737 Classics at the same time they were delivering 737NGs. The last 737 Classic (a 734) was delivered in February of 2000.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Let's look at the airlines which took the 200 srs in those years:

Backlogs:

Delta
US Air
America West
Lufthansa
British Airways
Western
CAAC/Air China
Air France

Size:

Markair
Alyemda
Pacific Western
TAAG
Bavaria
China Southwest
Braathens
Air New Zealand
Southwest (Japan)
Midway (Presidential order)
Air France
FEAT
Aviogenex
Air China
Ethiopian
Air Malta
Xiamen

Air France and CAAC/Air China fall into both categories.

In addition, with some airlines, the number of aircraft needed in that time framedid not justify a change to the more advanced 300srs with the changes in training and engineering support/spares that would be required


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3583 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
But still, I can not think of any aircraft before and after where the predecessor and its successor were build together for 4 years.

It's stretching a point - but many airlines replaced the B707 with the B747 on major trunk routes, the 747 was seen as "the" long haul aircraft of its time - as was the 707 - and the 707 (non military version) was in series production until 1978 and 21956 wasn't built until November 1979


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

The 732 was cheaper and for an existing carrier with a large 732 fleet, additional 732 orders could have made sense over ordering a new 733 subtype.

Western Airlines was an early customer for the 733 but also ordered additional 732's AFTER ordering 733's. No doubt the smaller capacity of the 732 made sense.

CP (Canadian Pacific) ordered and took delivery of new 733's only to remove them from service very quickly and order additional 732's.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3237 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 5):
But still, I can not think of any aircraft before and after where the predecessor and its successor were build together for 4 years.

MD-80 and MD-90
727 and 757
All the 747 variants

List goes on...

NS


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
CP (Canadian Pacific) ordered and took delivery of new 733's only to remove them from service very quickly and order additional 732's.

Sorry that's not correct. CP took delivery of their 5 733s in 1985-86. Their last 732 was delivered in 1983.

The reason they only briefly operated the 733s is that their delivery almost coincided with Pacific Western Airlines' takeover of CP Air to form Canadian Airlines. PWA also had a large 732 fleet many of which were fairly new and it was decided to standardize on the 732 to simplify the fleet and the few CP 733s were sold.

[Edited 2008-04-20 17:19:04]

User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

[quote=Gigneil,reply=10]727 and 757

That's incorrect. The 757 first flight was 25 October 1982, the last 727 was 28 August 84 - not quite 2 years


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2987 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
All the 747 variants

The last 747-200 was build in 1990 (USAF) first -400 was delivered in 1989.



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2968 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 13):
The last 747-200 was build in 1990 (USAF

The last 747-200 was 25171 a 747-281F for Nippon Cargo airlines which first flew November 4 1991 and was delivered as JA8194 on 19 November 1991


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2947 times:

For An airline already operating a fleet of B732adv, it does not make sense to increase the stores inventory by picking up a new type.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2918 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
For An airline already operating a fleet of B732adv, it does not make sense to increase the stores inventory by picking up a new type.

Not strictly true as many of the larger airlines did move to the 300 whilst they had large fleets of 200s and 200ADVs.

If you look at my list (Reply 7) you will see it was the smaller carriers or carriers with only a few 200s (with the exception of Air France) that stuck to the earlier model and that was for exactly the reasons you cite.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 2862 times:

I guess I just didn't pay attention to the 4 years criteria.

Sorry.

NS


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2730 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
CP (Canadian Pacific) ordered and took delivery of new 733's only to remove them from service very quickly and order additional 732's.

Sorry that's not correct. CP took delivery of their 5 733s in 1985-86. Their last 732 was delivered in 1983.

You're right. My bad. I was thinking of the combined PW/CP fleet after the CP 733 witrhdrawal. PW took delivery of their last 732 in 1985, after the delivery and removal of the CP 733's just before the merger. PW also ordered 2 733's which were later cancelled and never delivered.

Quoting Philb (Reply 12):
That's incorrect. The 757 first flight was 25 October 1982, the last 727 was 28 August 84 - not quite 2 years

The overlap of passenger 727 and 757 production was only a few months. If memory serves, the 757 entered service in Jan 83 with EA/BA while the last passenger 727 delivered was in early 83. The last 15 months of 727 production (to Aug 84) was the one-a-month 722F 15-unit production run for Fedex (the only 722F's off the prod line).



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

The last passenger 727 delivered was N779AL on 6 April 1983

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