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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 19
Posted (6 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Hey Guys:

I saw in the thread the otherday on Mexicana's website information and it got me thinking, could we ever see them going Boeing again - possibly with the 73NG? I seen it that some of their A320's are "old" - what ever that word means in aviation anymore? and I thought to myself, maybe a 737-964ER can be a possibility? I would also love to see the 736 in their fleet too!


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2997 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter):
I saw in the thread the otherday on Mexicana's website information and it got me thinking, could we ever see them going Boeing again - possibly with the 73NG? I seen it that some of their A320's are "old" - what ever that word means in aviation anymore? and I thought to myself, maybe a 737-964ER can be a possibility? I would also love to see the 736 in their fleet too!

Don´t they have 777s on order ?
Given the large A32x fleet I doubt that they would switch plane types they would rather replace older A320s with new ones until the next generation of narrowbodies is available.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

x10 A318-100
x20 A319-100
x29 A320-200
x2 B767-300

That should be more or less accurate, btw it's Aeromexico that has 777s on order (in service, too)



http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

I think that pilot commonality was a big selling point with Airbus.

So I do not see them replacing part of their NB fleet.

IMO, they will wait for the next generation.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2909 times:



Quoting MD90fan (Reply 2):

MD90fan list if absolutely correct. No more, no less.

Click's fleet is:

x20 Fk100

Plus x05 more being delivered between now and July 2008.

Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter):
I seen it that some of their A320's are "old"

The oldest A320s are 13 only. F-OHME/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/N. N280RX, N291/2MX the rest are ok.

It is said MX is leasing 05 B767s soon. Does anybody has more information on this? Everything points out the source will be LOT with 02 B767-200ERs (SP-LOA, SP-LOB, SP-LPE) this last a B767-300ER and two more from somewhere else, anyone has more info on this?

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

Sorry for my reply - not related to the actual topic.

I flew EWR-MEX-MTY in Nov last year. Found a BRILLIANT location in the terminal for viewing movements on the two parallel runways and a taxiway and a couple of stands. Would love to spend some more time there.  Big grin



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2874 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter):
maybe a 737-964ER can be a possibility

The only airline that changed A32X for B737NG was Eurocypria. The most usual change is the other way round with EZY carrying out one of the biggest fleet changes.



CY@Uk
User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1105 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

What would the 762's be used for? Which routes? Aren't those somewhat old too???

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2783 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 7):
What would the 762's be used for? Which routes? Aren't those somewhat old too???

They're newer than their ex. LB frames, XA-MXC and XA-MXE and also newer than ex. XA-MXB ex. SK frame and first B763ER for MX.

It is said first new long haul route will be MEX-GRU 3X a week by 4Q 2008. Frames are schedule to arrive for July 2008. Other routes will be Europe. Recently MX has changed its plans and Europe will be opened and sometime in 2009 it is expected to open China. I would also expect a MEX-LHR now that MX is to join 1W.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4339 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2761 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 7):
What would the 762's be used for? Which routes? Aren't those somewhat old too???

MX currently utilizes their 763s into MEX-EZE, 12x weekly.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2553 times:



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
It is said MX is leasing 05 B767s soon. Does anybody has more information on this? Everything points out the source will be LOT with 02 B767-200ERs (SP-LOA, SP-LOB, SP-LPE) this last a B767-300ER and two more from somewhere else, anyone has more info on this?

This rumour has been around for how many... years? I'll believe it when I see them... At least in this occasion you are providing regs, which makes the rumour more credible than ever before...

BTW, any chances that MX would pick some ex-ATA's B752s?

Go, MX!!
__Ad.



A300/18/19/20/21 B721/2 B732/3/G/8 B741/2/4 B752 B762/3/4 B772/3 DC8/9/10 MD11 TU134/154 IL62/86 An24 SA340/2000 E45/90
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (6 years 21 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Hi Adria!!

Well, I wan't born by then but late 70s MX was approach by Boeing for a couple of B747SP to launch some routes among those MEX-LHR. First rumor.

Then, when MX in December 2004 introduced the B767, supposedly it was the 1st of 4 B767s to come. At the latter who knows why they never came but on their plans was to launch GRU, SCL and LHR. Second time.

And now we have this again. But this time its more stronger than ever. MX via Adolfo Crespo is even announcing the lease of 05 Boeing 767s. You can have more fresh info on here:

http://www.apm-group.com.mx/foro/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=156&start=51

Its one of the last replies of the thread wroted by (Richard Branson) --> me.

It's a total shame MX is not picking more B757s.... MX/AM/GD B757s golden days are gone. But AYD is doing a terrific job getting more, very soon the'll introduce their 4th B757 (it's even a former AM bird).

http://www.apm-group.com.mx/foro/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=125&start=17

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 21 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

I don't think MX would go back to Boeing, their Airbus fleet seems to be working nicely. My opinion, they should remain an all Airbus fleet (except the two 767s). Very expensive to switch manufacturers right now, they would have to start from the ground up again. not good

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (6 years 20 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Oneworld membership will definitely strengthen MX's position. The domestic market is no longer going to be a source of profits for our "legacies" (i.e., AM and MX), so they both need to expand abroad. I honestly hope there is room for two Mexican, full-service, international airlines, because AM is definitely my favorite by far and I would hate to see its demise.

MX has never been interested in Europe, but now they seem to have changed their mind. I would love to see AM expand faster in Europe so as to preempt MX... after all, they got there first. FCO must be launched asap, and MUC should be considered by AM's management. I would love to see AM in LHR, but I guess MX will land there first now that they will become a oneworld member.

Interesting times ahead.

Question. Will LA drop its comprehensive alliance with AM now that MX is joining oneworld?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineUcunnn2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 hours ago) and read 2218 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
Will LA drop its comprehensive alliance with AM now that MX is joining oneworld?

Yes they will for sure, is for a matter of when than if....Probably MX will drop the LH alliance as well once it expires at the end of this year to join a BA alliance...

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
I would love to see AM in LHR, but I guess MX will land there first now that they will become a oneworld member.

...and hopefully MX lands at FRA and BCN as well...


User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1974 times:



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11):
But this time its more stronger than ever. MX via Adolfo Crespo is even announcing the lease of 05 Boeing 767s.

A friend of mine - a MX insider - told me yesterday the first two B762ERs have in fact arrived and are already in MX's maintenance base, ready to undergo deep transformations and paint job.

MX's "Coordinadora" is promoting 40 captains and 40 co-pilots to B767 officers; the first group will start training for the B767 on Tuesday, May 6th.

__Ad.



A300/18/19/20/21 B721/2 B732/3/G/8 B741/2/4 B752 B762/3/4 B772/3 DC8/9/10 MD11 TU134/154 IL62/86 An24 SA340/2000 E45/90
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1901 times:



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
It is said first new long haul route will be MEX-GRU 3X a week by 4Q 2008. Frames are schedule to arrive for July 2008. Other routes will be Europe. Recently MX has changed its plans and Europe will be opened and sometime in 2009 it is expected to open China. I would also expect a MEX-LHR now that MX is to join 1W.

It would be nice to see another airline at GRU. With the withdrawal of OceanAir and RG, AM's fares are really high. At least the fares would go down a bit. I wonder why JJ has not reacted to this situation and considered offering MEX as a new nonstop destination. What planes is MX looking for to open China Ghost? A340s? Of which type? Or maybe 777s?

Quoting Ucunnn2 (Reply 14):
Probably MX will drop the LH alliance as well once it expires at the end of this year to join a BA alliance...

Yes, that seems like a quite logical assumption.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinePecevanne From Mexico, joined Jun 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Hi ADRIATICUS...Where did you get that info.At the moment only 14 FO and 2 captains are on deck.
A very close friend of me is number 3 on the line and he has not received the notification to jump to the 67.
Regards


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1758 times:



Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 15):
A friend of mine - a MX insider - told me yesterday the first two B762ERs have in fact arrived and are already in MX's maintenance base, ready to undergo deep transformations and paint job.

Hi Adrián!

Very unfortunately those frames are not yet here. Perhaps your friend knows something we all are unknown and today, tomorrow or during the next days SP-LOA and SP-LOB are to join MX's fleet but according to the information I have is that they will not get here until sometime in September-October 08 in order to launch the new flights by December 1st 2008. But perhaps things will be anticipated and October 1st 2008 could be a good month to start new long haul flights.
There's even now configurations and a few more details, things are indeed moving fast:

http://www.apm-group.com.mx/foro/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=156&start=68

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 16):
It would be nice to see another airline at GRU. With the withdrawal of OceanAir and RG, AM's fares are really high. At least the fares would go down a bit. I wonder why JJ has not reacted to this situation and considered offering MEX as a new nonstop destination. What planes is MX looking for to open China Ghost? A340s? Of which type? Or maybe 777s?

Certainly even still MX get its hands on more B767s I guess that the B777 and A340 both have high hopes. In the end I think MX will go with the B777. History back's me up:

http://www.apm-group.com.mx/foro/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=125&start=17

If I were on MX management I would place an order via a lessor for a combo mix of 04 B787s, 04 B777ER's and 02 B77Ws for delivery between late 2009 and further years. I would not discard sometime later a link between Mexico and India and once again via TIJ. MX could explore at the moment and with its 1W entrance LHR, SCL, BCN, MAD, GRU, FRA, PVG, HKG, BOM and perhaps CDG with the fear of having a big battle among ST airlines.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1508 times:



Quoting Pecevanne (Reply 17):
Hi ADRIATICUS...Where did you get that info.



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 18):
Hi Adrián!

Very unfortunately those frames are not yet here. Perhaps your friend knows something we all are unknown and today, tomorrow or during the next days SP-LOA and SP-LOB are to join MX's fleet but according to the information I have is that they will not get here until sometime in September-October 08 in order to launch the new flights by December 1st 2008.

That's what I get for transmitting unverified friends' gossiping! (and that's fair). I'll try to confirm Monday or Tuesday with someone who actually works inside MX's maintenance base and see which birds are in there and who do they belong to / what are they doing there.

Mutatis mutandis, the same goes for the info about pilots and the group which is supposed to start training on Tuesday, May 6th!.

You all can  duck  me if the foregoing ends up being yet another rumour!

__Ad.



A300/18/19/20/21 B721/2 B732/3/G/8 B741/2/4 B752 B762/3/4 B772/3 DC8/9/10 MD11 TU134/154 IL62/86 An24 SA340/2000 E45/90
User currently offlineUcunnn2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1244 times:



Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 19):
That's what I get for transmitting unverified friends' gossiping! (and that's fair). I'll try to confirm Monday or Tuesday with someone who actually works inside MX's maintenance base and see which birds are in there and who do they belong to / what are they doing there.

Mutatis mutandis, the same goes for the info about pilots and the group which is supposed to start training on Tuesday, May 6th!.

You all can me if the foregoing ends up being yet another rumour!

hey man
were you able to find out somethnig about the 767's?
the silence and lack of new started over again...


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