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Openskies Video - Lauren Is Born.  
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

Hi all

Just seen this vid on flyopenskies.com . It shows G-BPEK being transformed from BA to Openskies Livery and the first aircraft is to be called you guessed it LAUREN.

G-BPEK is nearly finished it's cabin refurb and pics and vids will be available shortly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qoQbZqhKw

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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

I don't get the significance of it being named Lauren

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4707 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9419 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 1):
I don't get the significance of it being named Lauren

If I remember correctly the airline was first known as 'Project Lauren'.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9393 times:

I don't get why BA couldn't do the Open Skies operations with regular BA colours, and crew. I know the interiors are different than the domestic 757, and to distinguish the exterior i would think something less than a repaint could have worked.

Feel free to enlighten me on BA's Open Skies ops. I've read very little on it, other than to know it's international point to point (EU/US) and am curious.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9402 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 2):
If I remember correctly the airline was first known as 'Project Lauren'.

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Not sure what the significance of the project name is, though.


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9380 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
I don't get why BA couldn't do the Open Skies operations with regular BA colours

Or Delta (Song) or United (Ted) or Alaska (Horizon) or Southwest (Ata)

Openskies aircraft still have the flag painted on the tail and the "British Airways" and speedmarque titles by the rear door.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9363 times:

Lauren is the name of the project managers' daughter.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9308 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
I don't get why BA couldn't do the Open Skies operations with regular BA colours, and crew. I know the interiors are different than the domestic 757, and to distinguish the exterior i would think something less than a repaint could have worked.

To be profitable BA need to cut crewing costs down down down. To do this, they cannot operate as British airways.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Excellent video BTW.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9248 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 7):
To be profitable BA need to cut crewing costs down down down. To do this, they cannot operate as British airways.

Correct all crew will be JFK based inorder to keep the costs down and the weak dollar is helping the operation do that


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9208 times:


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Has anyone else noticed the airline name is really O'pen Skie's?

An unfortunate positioning of the name vis a vis the door handles


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9179 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
I know the interiors are different than the domestic 757

Well no, the interiors were in the Euro configuration if you would. The seats were convertible to go from 3+3 throughout to 2+3 up until a certain row and they had a removable curtain to designate where business and economy where but you knew that and were referring to how CO/DL/NW talk about their B757's (domestic/international) I guess.  Wink



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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

The sound didn't work for me, apart from that it was a cool video. It was about time that BA removed that hideous looking ring on the nose. Are they painting over the ring on the other 757s too?


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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8983 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 12):
The sound didn't work for me, apart from that it was a cool video. It was about time that BA removed that hideous looking ring on the nose. Are they painting over the ring on the other 757s too?

I believe all the Openskies a/c will look the same so when they get there openskies livery the black ring will disapear.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 11):
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
I know the interiors are different than the domestic 757

Well no, the interiors were in the Euro configuration if you would. The seats were convertible to go from 3+3 throughout to 2+3 up until a certain row and they had a removable curtain to designate where business and economy where but you knew that and were referring to how CO/DL/NW talk about their B757's (domestic/international) I guess.

The BA config until 2005 was 180 seats (BA operated 180 on domestic flights) of which back to doors 3 could be coverted to 2-3 config giving a Club Europe cabin of 105 and leaving 54M seats. New space saver seats where then added to the shorthaul fleet (excl 737's). This increased the max pax load from 180 to 186. In doing this BA removed some of the converter rows now I believe they can be configured to a max of 70 CE and 101Y.

G-BPEK is currently be configured to offer:

24 BIZ SEATS

28 PREM+

30 ECOM

Given a total of 82 seats

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
Feel free to enlighten me on BA's Open Skies ops. I've read very little on it, other than to know it's international point to point (EU/US) and am curious.

A the website is worth a look also there are blogs on there and you can leave comments that the management team look at and I know they reply to some of them

http://flyopenskies.com

[Edited 2008-04-19 13:10:33]

User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

I'm baffled by the interior styling, it's so clearly not BA, I just don't get the point.

I'm waiting to see who BA sell it to in a few years time (Maybe FR, to make up for selling GO to U2...??!!)...

Riv'



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8861 times:



Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 14):
I'm baffled by the interior styling, it's so clearly not BA, I just don't get the point.

Why are you baffled??.

The BIZ seats are the current ones fitted to the 767 and 777 fleets. The Ecom+ seats are the old CW cradle seats with seat power and reupholstered and the Ecom seats are as seen on european services. Also the Club, Premium Economy and Economy concept is already in operation on all BA's 767's and a small number of 777.

BA originally was going to offer a J and W only product. However they saw the market slowing before some other airlines did and it added economy.
Openskies did research amongst BA's CDG and JFK based frequent flyers, corporate customers and premium leisure pax. They found that pax wanted smaller cabin, upgraded service with more room and attentive crew.

Also with such few pax this means quicker boarding, disembarking etc. Also ALL openskies pax will have fast track use at CDG and also at T7 in JFK. Aswell as shorter check in times and lounge access. Meaning they arent hanging around crowded departure lounges and can make the most of there time at there destination.

They also found from there research that pax wouldn't paying higher fares for those privileges.

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 14):
I'm waiting to see who BA sell it to in a few years time (Maybe FR, to make up for selling GO to U2...??!!)...

I think Openskies will still be part of BA in 3 years with a fleet of 8+ aircraft operating to around 6 destinations in Europe.

GO was set up as LOCO and sold to a LOCO. It was sold after 9/11 as it didn't fit the new BA model that ws drawn up by the then Chief Exec Rod Eddington GO when sold didn't make enough money and was a drain in BA's balance sheet. BACON was sold to BE for the same reason. Now after 7 years of hard work by BA's staff and management to cut cost BA are expected to make a profit of between £800 million and £1 billion pounds for the year ending 31st March.

Openskies fits BA's new premium travel business model well. They are wanting to fill Openskies seats with business pax to JFK and not pax such as large non corporate groups, hen and stag weekends and bargain fare hunters and with only 82 seats they will easily be able to do it.

Also FR has never and could never be called a full service let alone a Full Service premium Cabin


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8764 times:

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 15):
I think Openskies will still be part of BA in 3 years with a fleet of 8+ aircraft operating to around 6 destinations in Europe.

I also think the same, but I see a minor change insted of 6 EU. They can do this, which is not the same than will do it, but at least it's doable.

When openskies open the second daily flight to any of these EU destinations, they could come up with their first domestic flight, something BA has always looked into. Imagine the last aircraft arriving late afternoon at JFK and continuing to LAX, only with passengers having come from the EU (allowed by the open skies agreement). That a/c would arrive at LAX at night (not too late thanks to the time difference) and would depart in the morning to arrive at JFK late afternoon and ready to connect its passengers to Europe.

I don't know if they even think to do it in the future, and certainly i don't know how profitable it will be (that's where bean counters step in), but a B757 with only 82 seats seems like the perfect aircraft to do so. Qantas can do it with a standard B747 (and lots of cargo, i don't forget), so this might just work. But for the time being, just a crazy idea.

[Edited 2008-04-19 14:55:33]

User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8699 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 15):
The BIZ seats are the current ones fitted to the 767 and 777 fleets. The Ecom+ seats are the old CW cradle seats with seat power and reupholstered and the Ecom seats are as seen on european services. Also the Club, Premium Economy and Economy concept is already in operation on all BA's 767's and a small number of 777.

Oh, I'm sorry - I didn't recognise the colours...

Of course the seats are physically as you say, I can see that, but the styling doesn't look like any BA plane I've been on, (and I've flown on BA over 200 times). My point was that shades of brown seem to be quite a departure from the traditional BA cabin colours, and I just don't see why it has been decided to do that, rather than give passengers the BA experience that they might think they are buying...

Yes, I was joking about FR, but I have no doubt that this venture will be sold on at some point, when it is decided, as inevitably happens with these things, that it doesn't fit into the image, strategy or business model of BA at that time. Tangential business ventures are all very well when someone identifies an opportunity to make (more) money, but they are always the first thing to be cut when economic pressure requires the board to concentrate on the core business.

Riv'



I travel, therefore I am.
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8700 times:



Quoting Aisak (Reply 16):
When openskies open the second daily flight to any of these EU destinations, they could come up with their first domestic flight, something BA has always looked into. Imagine the last aircraft arriving late afternoon at JFK and continuing to LAX, only with passengers having come from the EU (allowed by the open skies agreement). That a/c would arrive at LAX at night (not too late thanks to the time difference) and would depart in the morning to arrive at JFK late afternoon and ready to connect its passengers to Europe.

I don't know if they even think to do it in the future, and certainly i don't know how profitable it will be (that's where bean counters step in), but a B757 with only 82 seats seems like the perfect aircraft to do so. Qantas can do it with a standard B747 (and lots of cargo, i don't forget), so this might just work. But for the time being, just a crazy idea.

BA and Willie Walsh have always said that if foreign carriers are permitted to fly internally BA Will set up a base in JFK and fly domestically. Whether it will happen who knows and only time will tell.

I did however when I was in the US last see on BBC world and I think CNN that the next round of negotiations on openskies will start soon. The head of the US delegation said that they have no problem with european airlines flying domestically in US as long as US carriers can do the same in Europe. However the real sticking point is foreign ownership. e.g US airlines buying European ones and vice versa. They will be hard negotiations for both side.

Setting up Openskies in JFK makes sense as BA will then have a base in the US with crew ready to operate such services. BA has made it's wishes well known in the press. It would start at JFK to feed it's many european flights from terminal 7. It would be highly unlikely the 757's would be used on the shorter flights however I think they would be popular for flights to destinations on the west coast. For shorter journey they would probably use the A320 family.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8615 times:

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 17):
Of course the seats are physically as you say, I can see that, but the styling doesn't look like any BA plane I've been on, (and I've flown on BA over 200 times). My point was that shades of brown seem to be quite a departure from the traditional BA cabin colours, and I just don't see why it has been decided to do that, rather than give passengers the BA experience that they might think they are buying...

The changing to beige was a difficult desicion. However the blue and white is part of BA's 'British image' as they call it. The beige colour was picked as a more neutral cosmopolitan colour which will better suit and be more appealing to there customer demographic. Remember Openskies will only fly from mainland europe and not from the UK.

I can see where you are coming from however you don't get an AF product on a KL flight. Even though they are now called Air France KLM. Also when you book a codeshare flight with say BD to YYZ and it's operated by AC the service isn't a BD one. People have been flying with codeshares etc for years with one airlines flight number but operated by a totally different carrier.

The onboard service will be an enhanced more personal service compared the one currently on offer on BA services. However some things will probably be available such as sleeper service in BIZ as is available in CW.

The logo at the back says by British Airways. It doesn't say operated by British Airways otherwise it would have been called British Airways , BA Openskies or something with the BA name in it. The part BA is providing the financial start up costs, marketing, the aircraft , ground handling, engineering, airport lounges and training facilites. The management team are all ex BA managers but now all have Openskies not BA contracts so if Openskies does fail they will be out of jobs aswell.

I totally can see where you are coming from but I operate around 100 flights a year to a large number of countries. Alot of which are codeshare but they aren't expecting say a IB service on a BA a/c. It is all in how it will be advertised and worded.

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 17):
Yes, I was joking about FR, but I have no doubt that this venture will be sold on at some point, when it is decided, as inevitably happens with these things, that it doesn't fit into the image, strategy or business model of BA at that time. Tangential business ventures are all very well when someone identifies an opportunity to make (more) money, but they are always the first thing to be cut when economic pressure requires the board to concentrate on the core business.

Yes agreed but thats the same in all industries not just this one. Openskies will be given the same 12-18 months BA gave BACF and BACON to turn a profit. BACON failed and is now no more. BACF is doing very well and the board are looking at a fleet replacement program and in May they will add flights from LCY to BCN/WAW and AMS. However you don't know unless you try and the management team at Openskies has alot of experience and I think they truely will make this one work.

[Edited 2008-04-19 15:52:55]

User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7755 times:



Quoting Aisak (Reply 5):
Or Delta (Song) or United (Ted) or Alaska (Horizon) or Southwest (Ata)

These are bad examples.

Song is no longer around, but both Song & Ted were/are crewed by mainline crewmembers. Horizon and ATA also aren't good examples. QX is the regional feed for Alaska; not flying mainline aircraft with mainline crewmembers in a different configuration and color-scheme. ATA was never wholly owned by Southwest, and weren't on the same seniority list. They were a codeshare only.

This "Open Skies" airline is a blatant attempt at busting labor at BA in my opinion...unless they will be crewed by BA list pilots.



Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7717 times:



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
I don't get why BA couldn't do the Open Skies operations with regular BA colours, and crew. I know the interiors are different than the domestic 757, and to distinguish the exterior i would think something less than a repaint could have worked.

I'm also confounded by these "secondary brand" strategies, and very sceptical to them. And if it is an issue about the cost structure at BA being too high, then that is an issue with the main ops as well, and needs to be addressed holistically.

Nonetheless, I wish the new spin-off the best of luck and success.  Smile


User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7675 times:



Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 21):
Nonetheless, I wish the new spin-off the best of luck and success.

You wouldn't be saying that if you were a BA pilot whose opportunity for career/pay advancement are passed over due t this "alter-ego" airline. These planes need to be flown by BA pilots at BA negotiated payrates.



Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3683 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7446 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 19):
BACF and BACON

Just want clarification ...  confused 

BACF = BA CityFlyer?
BACON = BA Connect?



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7309 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 23):
ust want clarification ... confused

BACF = BA CityFlyer?
BACON = BA Connect?

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25 Nzrich : Its a pity they did not have their own logo on the tail
26 F4f3a : The crew are not based in us . Have a look at the terms and conditions on website. You have to be at a gate way airport ie AMS or CDG. the aircraft ar
27 Sevenair : When are they due to fly? When are tickets going to be onsale? I am interested to see the prices, and times.
28 BALHRWWCC : The crew I was talking about was the cabin crew. Who are all to be JFK based. They may be G reg aircraft but only the flight crew have to be european
29 Rivet42 : Ah, your comparison with BACon and BACF (could equally include GB Airways & BMed) is much more relevant than KL/AF, because these were/are franchises
30 MSYPI7185 : I think the new paint looks very nice, but there is one thing that is screwing with my head. The Pushback tug is under the aircraft during towing. I h
31 TristarSteve : The first Openskies B757 PEK has started crew training. It left LHR yesterday for PIK. It is due to visit CWL NCL and MAN as well.
32 AAmd11 : Maybe MAN will be one of the next destinations for OpenSkies.
33 BALHRWWCC : Openskies will not operate from the uk only the european continent.
34 BY738 : I wouldnt like to bet on that.....
35 Post contains links BALHRWWCC : It is part of the agreement that openskies have put forward for BALPA's pending agreement. BA agreed when Openskies was set up to add any route from t
36 Burnsie28 : Horizon is a regional carrier, with its own management and so fourth. ATA wasn't owned by Southwest, they were by far two seperate companies. Delta S
37 LHR777 : It's fine. Don't worry about it. If it wasn't safe, they wouldn't do it. Why do you think it's unsafe?
38 GlobeEx : I know BA just droped the JFK-MAN run, but why not using a 757 on this, maybe operated by Open Skies? Atleast by that why BA wouldn't harm their Londo
39 LH417AF025 : aren't the couple of dollars they save on the crew being paid for their hotels in london which are not too cheap right now? i believe this is one of
40 AAmd11 : It was not a serious suggestion/expectation.
41 AznMadSci : So is the intent of OpenSkies to center around a JFK hub to Europe and not expand to other cities in North America, similar to what NW does/did with
42 JGPH1A : I don't think IB would stand idly by and let that happen.
43 David_itl : And of course BA tried so hard to get the premium traffic to use the MAN service when for the same price and more fringe benefits for those passenger
44 Malaysia : Yeah I never figured out what the effect is of that pushback method, by setting the towbar to the back pins and towing it from behind. I have seen thi
45 LHR777 : I've been in that paint-shop hangar at LHR that the OpenSkies aircraft was painted in. There doesn't appear to be a lot of room to get a tug and tow-
46 Malaysia : Okay so its for closed quarters towing where no room in front of aircraft, that can allow a tug to fit, so I guess they have to tow using the back pi
47 BALHRWWCC : Codeshare. BA will codeshare with Openskies and the plan is it will be a affiliate partner in OW. They did introduce increased exec mile promotions o
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