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AA To Resume MIA-GND  
User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 733 posts, RR: 15
Posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

Effective 11/20 AA will resume MIA-GND nonstop flights.

This is the same date that AA will also restart MIA-ANU.

MIA-ANU will be a morning flight with an afternoon return.

MIA-GND will be an afternoon flight with an eve return.

It is nice to see these routes return.

AJMIA


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

The cursor function over the GND doesn't work for me. Where is GND?

User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3946 times:



Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 1):
The cursor function over the GND doesn't work for me. Where is GND?

Last I heard, Google is working these days.

http://www.grenadaairport.com/



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

No need to get snippy

User currently offlineBw415 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3778 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
Last I heard, Google is working these days.

LOLLLLLLLLLL!.. great response.. fully agree..

Interesting to see AA though continuing to spread its wings through the Caribbean.. I suspect that it is somehow tied to the selling off of AE...what concerns me is the frequency of this flight.. I don't think that GND can sustain a daily MIA flight.. anymore info would be appreciated. I also imagine it would be serviced by a 738?

bw415



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Schedule:

AA 2171 MIA 1700-2130 GND 738 Daily
AA 2174 GND 0920-1215 MIA 738 Daily

As I've mentioned in other posts, expect to see more expanded international 738 flying from MIA, especially has 738 deliveries start in early 2009. Although 738s will be replacing S80s 1:1 in the fleet, some of them will be used for expanded international flying, while domestic capacity is cut. International is where the money is right now.

Also look for more SJU by-passing. While SJU itself serves an important role as an intra-Caribbean hub, I would not be surprised in the near future, possibly as soon as November 2008, the only destinations in AA's Caribbean network that do not have non-stops to MIA are the ones that simply don't have a jet-capable runway (like NEV). For those counting, there are only four AA Caribbean destinations left that can handle a 738 and lack MIA flights: Bonaire, Fort de France, Pointe Pitre, and Samana. I know that AA is definitley in talks with resorts/officials in all but Bonaire to start jet flights next winter (and they might be talking to Bonaire officials, too, I have no idea). Those four airports definitley can't support more than 3x weekly, though, and AA is hesitant if a flight can't handle daily, and flies only three less-than-daily destinations from MIA: Bermuda, La Romana (daily during winter), and St. Kitts & Nevis.

Quoting Bw415 (Reply 4):
I don't think that GND can sustain a daily MIA flight.. anymore info would be appreciated.

AA couldn't care less if the flight fills. As long as the fares are high and cargo is good, AA will run it. MIA-SKB sees pathetic load-factors, often as low as 45% during off-season, but runs year-round, 5x a week because of high fares and cargo. The flight probably has Grenada hotel/resorts supporting it, and GND is a good cargo market.

I could see GND operating at reduced summer frequency. As of now, neither GND or ANU are in the default schedules for summer 2009, but unless they perform horribly, they will operate year-round.

It is also interesting to note how many of AA's recent new MIA routes have been resumptions of discontinued flights. Service launched/announced since spring 2007 to Antigua, Barranquilla, Cozumel, Grenada, Sarasota, Savannah, and Tallahassee are also old routes being resumed.

For trivia, here is a fairly (if not 100%) complete list of discontinued AA mainline routes from MIA:

Austin (mid/late-1990s)
Aguadilla, PR (early/mid-1990s)
Frankfurt (mid/late-1990s)
Houston/Hobby (early/mid-1990s) [offered alongside IAH flights]
Islip (early/mid-1990s)
London/Gatwick (1998)
Manchester, UK (2004-2006)
Monterrey, Mexico (1999)
Ponce, PR (early/mid-1990s)
San Diego (mid-1990s)
Seattle (1991-2002)
Vancouver (late 1990s)


[AA also cut a large number of intra-Florida and Bahamas routes following the ending of Saab 340 service at MIA that made many of those routes not viable].

Wonder which routes AA will decide to resurrect next...

[Edited 2008-04-19 23:57:55]


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3573 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
Last I heard, Google is working these days.

Except upon punching in "GND" the first hit to come back was "Girls Next Door", not that I was complaining.  wink 


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 3421 times:

This is great news, and a great market that AA will no doubt be successful in - I'm sure Miami-Grenada will do just fine, especially considering that AA will have 100% of the nonstop Grenada-U.S. market, with a daily 737 to Miami and a daily Super ATR to San Juan.

Next up for Miami, if I had my wish list (and I think all of these would easily succeed):

- Austin, Texas (daily 737)
- Bonaire, Netherland Antilles (Sat/Sun 737)
- Cartagena, Columbia (daily 737)
- Fort de France, Martinique (3x weekly 737)
- Georgetown, Guyana (5x weekly 737)
- Pointe-a-Pitre, Haiti, Guadeloupe (3x weekly 737)
- Roaton, Honduras (Sat/Sun 737)
- Samana, Dominican Republic (4x weekly 737)
- San Diego, California (daily 757)

Plus all the Brazilian North/Northeast markets - Belem, Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Fortaleza, Manaus, Natal, Recife and Salvador - all of which I could easily see support 3-4x weekly 757s, except for Recife and Salvador, which I could see supporting more, possibly 6-7x weekly 757s each.


User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Is cargo the primary reason for sending the big aircraft? For example, STT (excluding the seasonal flights from BOS and JFK) gets two 757s from MIA, but from SJU gets six AT7s and one 757. I'm primarily interested in the SJU route because the 757 is a huge aircraft compared to the AT7, so I wonder if they do this daily run primarily for a cargo transport, or are the load factors big enough to warrant it?

(Departs SJU 12:55p.m., arrives STT 1:30p.m.; Return departs STT 4:25p.m., arrives SJU 5:05p.m., although the inbound plane for the return might be coming from MIA.)



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3372 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 8):
I'm primarily interested in the SJU route because the 757 is a huge aircraft compared to the AT7, so I wonder if they do this daily run primarily for a cargo transport, or are the load factors big enough to warrant it?

It's a mix of both.

Cargo is heavy to most of the islands, but so is passenger traffic, whether that traffic is driven more primarily by the U.S.-originating leisure customers, or the U.S.- or islands-originating VFR (visiting friends and relatives) customers.


User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

SJC was also discontinued back in 2000 or 2001

User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

SJU-STT is a busy market, there is a lot of traffic between the islands and the 757 to/from SJU is usually completely full especially on weekends. Nice 18mins. flight time between SJU-STT low altitude and nice views.

User currently offlineMiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3093 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
For trivia, here is a fairly (if not 100%) complete list of discontinued AA mainline routes from MIA:

Austin (mid/late-1990s)
Aguadilla, PR (early/mid-1990s)
Frankfurt (mid/late-1990s)
Houston/Hobby (early/mid-1990s) [offered alongside IAH flights]
Islip (early/mid-1990s)
London/Gatwick (1998)
Manchester, UK (2004-2006)
Monterrey, Mexico (1999)
Ponce, PR (early/mid-1990s)
San Diego (mid-1990s)
Seattle (1991-2002)
Vancouver (late 1990s)

CLE is another discontinued mainline AA route from MIA. Actually CLE is an all eagle station now.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2830 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
Next up for Miami, if I had my wish list (and I think all of these would easily succeed):

I would also add 2-3x weekly to Tobago. Delta is reportedly pulling out of Tobago soon (no surprise there), and is with Delta's pull-out from FDF and PTP, AA might go in and try to replace Delta if the incentives/resort subsidies are right. However, as of now American does not fly to Tobago at all, not even from SJU. TAB is probably the only big gap in AA's Caribbean network.

I personally would also like to see OW fly their ATRs to Cap Haitien, Haiti. The only carrier on MIA-CAP is local regional airline Lynx Air.

Quoting Miaami (Reply 12):

CLE is another discontinued mainline AA route from MIA. Actually CLE is an all eagle station now.

Correct, but that route is still flown on Eagle (albeit, for some very strange reason, Saturday-only). Charlotte, Indianapolis, and Pittsburgh are also routes that used to have mainline. CLT lost mainline in exchange for more frequencies; IND lost it because of lack of planes. I expect IND will return to mainline next year with more 738s coming.



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User currently offlineSfojfk From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2697 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
I personally would also like to see OW fly their ATRs to Cap Haitien, Haiti. The only carrier on MIA-CAP is local regional airline Lynx Air.

Would like to see it as well. I hate going through PAP. I'll do anything to avoid a transfer at PAP. Never did the LynxAir before. Is there real demand for MIA-CAP? I know MIA/FLL/JFK-PAP is great.

I have only had to go to CAP for visiting inlaws a couple of times. The road route between PAP and CAP is absolutely dangerous. Will never do that.


User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2563 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 8):
Is cargo the primary reason for sending the big aircraft? For example, STT (excluding the seasonal flights from BOS and JFK) gets two 757s from MIA, but from SJU gets six AT7s and one 757. I'm primarily interested in the SJU route because the 757 is a huge aircraft compared to the AT7, so I wonder if they do this daily run primarily for a cargo transport, or are the load factors big enough to warrant it?

(Departs SJU 12:55p.m., arrives STT 1:30p.m.; Return departs STT 4:25p.m., arrives SJU 5:05p.m., although the inbound plane for the return might be coming from MIA.)

Many intra-Caribbean routes on AA ex-SJU get one mainline flight a day in addition to the ATRs. It's an easy way for AA to get more use out of the aircraft (and thus make more money) by having it do a short hop among islands rather than just sit in SJU and wait several hours to run flights back to the east coast...if you'll notice, almost all the AA mainline flights that are intra-Caribbean originate/continue onto US Mainland cities, such as PHL, BDL, BWI, IAD, DFW, ORD, etc. The SJU-STT flight in particular comes to SJU from PHL.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2468 times:



Quoting Sfojfk (Reply 14):
Is there real demand for MIA-CAP?

Sure is. Lynxair has been flying the route for over a decade, from MIA and FLL.

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 15):
Many intra-Caribbean routes on AA ex-SJU get one mainline flight a day in addition to the ATRs.

That's no longer the case. Only Antigua, Santo Domingo, St. Maarten, and St. Thomas still see mainline.



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2438 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
That's no longer the case. Only Antigua, Santo Domingo, St. Maarten, and St. Thomas still see mainline.

You forgot CCS...those flights go on to/from BOS when they're done in SJU.  Wink



Can passenger jets fly as fast as my feet do? Let's find out...
User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2323 times:



Quoting EMB170 (Reply 15):
Many intra-Caribbean routes on AA ex-SJU get one mainline flight a day in addition to the ATRs

Are most of the mainline aircraft used in these runs 757s, or are there other aircraft mixed in as well before heading north? I would imagine that the A300 would be in there somewhere, except for the fact that it might need a longer runway being a widebody (or is that not the case?)



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 18):
Are most of the mainline aircraft used in these runs 757s, or are there other aircraft mixed in as well before heading north? I would imagine that the A300 would be in there somewhere, except for the fact that it might need a longer runway being a widebody (or is that not the case?)

Yes. My understanding (I ran a few AA schedules just to be sure) is that the A300s will do quicker MIA-SJU turns so they can get back to MIA and run other Caribbean routes like MBJ or KIN. Ditto for the longer-stage JFK flights. I think at one point AA did try sending the 738 to SJU but they don't do that any more.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17661 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (6 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Why the RON schedule for GND? I'd think it'd be better as a daytime turn.


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