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AF 747-400 Retirement  
User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12829 times:

Good morning,

has someone any idea about the exact AF 747-400 retirement please?

Where are they flying to, from now, until June 2009. And what is the exact scheduled retirement of each 747?

Thanks a lot.  Smile


Waimanalo
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User currently onlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12659 times:

I don't have the exact dates of retirement but all the remaining 13 B744 in service should be retired by 2012, replaced 1 for 1 by the additional B77W ordered last year.

AF flies its B744 to :

BKK (winter season)
SFO (summer season)
YYZ (summer season)
MEX (summer season)
YUL (summer season)
BOS
GIG
HAV
PUJ
MIA
CCS
SDQ


User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12389 times:

I will miss those B747s in the AF colors...I had the chance to fly on them, three times only but twice on the upper deck. I'll be flying the 747 next August from CDG to YUL and back.

How many of those 747 will be converted to Special Freighters for AF ?


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12278 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):

Don't they send the B744 to DEL in the winter season??

I had the opportunity to fly F-GISA to DEL in January 2007. Now i think its a freighter.



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User currently offlineWorkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12101 times:



Quoting Mk777 (Reply 3):
Don't they send the B744 to DEL in the winter season??

Yes, they do. And also to MRU , I believe. This would also explain what the airframes flying YUL, YYZ and MEX in summer do in winter.


User currently onlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12090 times:



Quoting Mk777 (Reply 3):
Don't they send the B744 to DEL in the winter season??

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Correct. DEL is also served by AF B744 during the winter season (A343 during the summer season).

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 2):
How many of those 747 will be converted to Special Freighters for AF ?

3 of them have already converted into freighters : F-GISA, SB, SE.
Nothing has been clearly decided yet for the 3 remaining ex-Combi (F-GISC, SD, F-GEXB) whether they will be also converted or not, as in a medium term, AF plans to replace all the B744F by additional B777LRF.

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User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12015 times:

Does anyone know who has purchased their remaining 13 B744's?

I recall reading a while back they were all going to be converted to SF's by Bedek at TLV.


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11893 times:

JFK also sees the 747-400.


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User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10318 times:

dear FLYSSC, Bonjour P.....,

Are you sure the 747-400 will fly SFO for the next two summer seasons 2008 and 2009 ? if yes, when start the summer season at AF please?

regards Didier  Smile  Smile



Waimanalo
User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1840 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9716 times:



Quoting DID747 (Reply 8):
Are you sure the 747-400 will fly SFO for the next two summer seasons 2008 and 2009 ? if yes, when start the summer season at AF please?

The summer season starts, for all airlines, usually end march (around the 25th or 26th) and lasts end of october. Regarding SFO, I can tell you that it is right now a 744 (I have a reservation on this flight in may and it is a 744). But I don't know for 2009.


User currently onlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9407 times:



Quoting DID747 (Reply 8):
Are you sure the 747-400 will fly SFO for the next two summer seasons 2008 and 2009 ?

For the summer season 2008, the B744 flies daily to SFO until October 25th.
The summer season is starting on the last sunday of March until the last sunday of October.

The B744 is also scheduled to SFO for the next summer season 2009 ... at least for the moment !

Concerning JFK, indeed, AF010/011 is operated by a B744 during the summer season.


User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1710 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 8916 times:

During what time of the year do AF send the 744 to PPT?


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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1840 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8576 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 11):
During what time of the year do AF send the 744 to PPT?

There is no more AF 744 service to PPT. It is now an A340.


User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

The fact AF leaves 744 IS NO SENSE !!! AF should order the 747-8i like LH . 77X and 332s are just new toys for a while !!! Sorry , I hate TWINS , all remembering me the A300B2, the dumpy awfull look of the A310s !

dennys


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

It will be a sad day in history when AF retires the 744 from pax service. I think most if not all will find new homes and not be broken up.

Hunter



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

...what a shame to start seeing them go... Sad


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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

According to the French ATDB, F-GITA/B/C (the 3 oldest all-pax variants) are provisionally set for retirement in 2009-10, while the Combi F-GEXB should be retired or converted in 2009. None of the others have dates set in stone.

What I do ask--and excuse my ignorance if this is a stupid question--but is there any need/point in retiring F-GITH/I/J given that they are part of a follow-on order and only delivered in 2003-4?

ZXV



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6409 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
AF plans to replace all the B744F by additional B777LRF.

But not the 747-400ERFs, correct?

Quoting Dennys (Reply 13):
The fact AF leaves 744 IS NO SENSE !!! AF should order the 747-8i like LH

They ordered plenty of A380s. I promise they have 4 engines.

The 747-8i is a dead product. I'll be surprised if LH gets it in the end.

NS


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

They will still be around for a while.

They might still order the B 747-8 if they see significant improvements. That's what they said.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 17):
The 747-8i is a dead product. I'll be surprised if LH gets it in the end.

Well I think it will do well in the long run. Give it sometime.

My 2 cents


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5120 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 18):
They might still order the B 747-8 if they see significant improvements. That's what they said.

When, and what improvements? We already know what the 747-8i is, and they have plenty of 777-300ERs in high density config already along with many A380s on order.

NS


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4829 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 18):
Well I think it will do well in the long run. Give it sometime.

As a freighter yes as a passenger plane i highly doubt it



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User currently offlineSpeedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

What about F-GISE? The last time I was on AF 744 was F-GISE. Are they still flying as pax or already converted to cargo version?

User currently offlineSailas From Finland, joined Jul 2007, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

i love AF livery on the 744, big shame to see them go, but Yes there is a daily 744 service to JFK on AF but i opted for the 772 instead. I still have never been on a 747 of any type. I was so jealous when my grandparents isited back when i was about 6-7years old and they flew the ZRH-GVA leg on a 743.


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User currently onlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3112 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 11):
During what time of the year do AF send the 744 to PPT?

PPT is now served 4 x Weekly with an A343 instead of 3 x Weekly B744 previously

Quoting Speedbird0125 (Reply 21):
What about F-GISE? The last time I was on AF 744 was F-GISE. Are they still flying as pax or already converted to cargo version?

F-GISA, F-GISB, F-GISE are now converted into Freighters.

Quoting Dennys (Reply 13):
The fact AF leaves 744 IS NO SENSE !!!

On the opposite, it makes a lot of sense ! why using a thirsty 4 engine aircraft when you can do exactely the same job with a money maker twin B77W ?

Quoting Dennys (Reply 13):
AF should order the 747-8i like LH

What for ?


User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

TO FLY SSC :

747-8i FULL PAX would meet pax nbr requirements on ORY - FDF , ORY - PTP, ORY-RUN , ORY-CAY , CDG-BKK, CDG - HAV .... and ORY - NCE in summer !

AAA/ 77W have to stop at Cape Verde for refulling stops too often
BBB/ 748 will about 650 seater (100-150 more pax flown compared to the 77W )
CCC/ NO 380 are to be used for full pax versions .

AF should order the 748 and cick out some 77W from now on !

rgds
dennys


25 FlySSC : B748 = one more aircraft family = additional costs for maintenance, Crew training, no commonality with the rest of the fleet. B77W = most efficient t
26 Teva : Is AF planning anything special when the "GITAnic" retires? Teva
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