Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 7347 posts, RR: 56 Posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1149 times:
Read this brilliant book about the end of Braniff called 'Splash Of Colo(u)rs'. There was a few paragraphs in a section about Panagra about South American operations (praising the airline's safety record in a potentially treacherous part of the world). La Paz is so high that pilots need to go on oxygen as soon as they get into the cockpit because at that altitude their conciousness is impaired. One crew didn't do it for one reason or another (they felt fine I guess) but a mistake was made in the speed calculations and they rotated 20 kts too early. In a partially stalled condition the DC8 lifted off then just hung there above the ground without climbing or accelerating. They lifted the gear and roared past the end of the runway and out over a flat plain at an altitude allegedly not exceeding 20 ft for the first minute. According to the author (a pilot), the only thing keeping them up was 'ground effect', the cushion of air that develops under the wing when it's just above the ground. A few extra knots (or a gentle puff of a headwind) gradually lifted them a few feet at a time until they got to V2 and started climbing. Apparently the DC8 left a massive spray of dust (like a pickup truck on a dirt road) in the air in it's wake.
(a) Anyone else know about the oxygen requirements in this scenario; and (b) great story, huh?
JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 37 Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1122 times:
Flown the 8 to Quito more times than I care to remember. Oxygen is not required in Quito. Quito is 10,000 seomething feet if I recall.
La Pas Bolivia is a different story. Oxygen is required 1/2 hour before departure.
I flew into La Pas with a jumpseater and advized him of the situation concerning the altitude. I knew he was a smoker and he had never been here before. I advized him to walk down the steps slowly and not to carry both his pieces of lugage at the same time.
Needless to say he carried both bags at once and ran down the stairs only to collapse at the bottom. I had to take a Scott mask down to him. I hate to say it but I told him so.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 7347 posts, RR: 56 Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1106 times:
It was a mention of Quito on another thread that made me think of the Panagra story, but it was La Paz where it happened.
BTW, the world's highest plane crash was an Eastern 727, at something like 21,000 ft descending into La Paz. There was no way rescuers / recovery teams could sustain conciousness at that height, so the wreck remains there to this day. (That said, local mountain people have reportedly made it to the site.)
Here's a thought. If someone is born and raised in such a low-oxygen environment, what's it like when they come down here at sea level? Probably feel as drunk as a skunk, excess O2 is intoxicating. Lots of giggling apparently.
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3342 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1061 times:
>(a) Anyone else know about the oxygen requirements in this scenario
Going from memory here (not S.A. qualified), but I believe AA pilots are required to be on 100% oxygen from top-of-descent until after parking checklist is complete and prior to beginning of preflight duties (prior to start of flight planning and/or aircraft inspection) until.... I don't recall (sorry).
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Jumbojettim From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 193 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1047 times:
Supplemental oygen must be used in these examples:
a) any portion of the flight above 12,500ft. that is longer than 1/2hr. and
b) any portion of the flight above 14,000ft.
One would think that this would apply if one is preparing to takeoff at an airport at such a high altitude.