IAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 348 posts, RR: 3 Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9527 times:
ExpressJet is losing the ground handling contracts for CO/COEX at 4 stations as of June 1. BTR, SHV, LCH, AEX.
5 more stations go out for bid for a takeover date of Sept 7th. AVL, TYS, GSP, SAV, SYR.
So the seamless operation CO/COEX/CO CONX is going away. Now going to be handled my multiple vendors with other number one priorities (their companies operations) and CO taking a secondary status. But hey... it saves a few bucks right?
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3246 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9080 times:
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2): So what does this mean for cities like AVL and GSP? Will we see AE come in, or will we see Chatauqua take over those routes?
This has nothing to do with the regionals who fly the route. It's only about which company handles the airplane on the ground. For example, Comair here in TOL ground handles Delta flights operated by Comair, ASA, and CHQ.
They will be doing the handling in LCH, and dont have flights there. AVL thinks the same will happen there.
Haven't heard about IAD yet... that operation will be bad if that happens....as they do CO, CM, SY and a few other occassional charters... one of the largest XJT stations in the system. The new handler will have to staff up to handle all of those flights...and learn to deal with the EWR mess.
Ryanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8894 times:
Hey....I fly out of BTR on Continental all the time...I am just confused with them closing stations, what that actually means...does that mean Continental will not have their own ticket counter and gate? Can someone please explain?
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10607 posts, RR: 62 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8841 times:
Quoting Ryanrap1 (Reply 10): Hey....I fly out of BTR on Continental all the time...I am just confused with them closing stations, what that actually means...does that mean Continental will not have their own ticket counter and gate? Can someone please explain?
No, the Continental Express brand will still be present in these markets - they will still fly there.
What is changing is that whereas these stations used to be staffed by ExpressJet (Continental Express) employees, they are now going to be outsourcing them to other companies - in this case, American Eagle and Northwest, it looks like.
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 20 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8822 times:
Odds are quite a bit of the existing staff will be offered positions with the new handling agent, but likely with lower pay. They'll need the staff, and the people being let go from XJT will be prime candidates due to their familiarity with the operation.
From the customer's perspective, the impact will be negligible. I doubt anyone will really notice once the initial teething troubles are out of the way.
IAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 348 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8743 times:
Quoting 777gk (Reply 12): Odds are quite a bit of the existing staff will be offered positions with the new handling agent, but likely with lower pay. They'll need the staff, and the people being let go from XJT will be prime candidates due to their familiarity with the operation.
Oh ya.. they will offer postions to agents with 5, 10, even 15+ years of experiance and throw them to the bottom of their payscale but expect them to step up and train others.
CBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8523 times:
Completely off topic, but I didn't think it warranted another topic because I dont have solid proof. But I have heard from a very reliable source from someone who was at a CO meeting that CO plans to decrease XJT flying by 25% by September 1st of this year. CO is also looking at selling some of the EMB-145s that XJT flies, and RAH is seriously looking at purchasing some for there Chautauqua cert. Anyone else heard anything about this? I believe it was only discussed late last week and should be announced in the next few weeks! Just remember...dont kill the messenger!
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11878 posts, RR: 100 Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8018 times:
Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 15): CO plans to decrease XJT flying by 25% by September 1st of this year. CO is also looking at selling some of the EMB-145s that XJT flies, and RAH is seriously looking at purchasing some for there Chautauqua cert.
If CO can sell off ERJ-145's in this environment, that would be a smart move. Either the flying could be canceled or bid out to a lower cost vendor. Personally, I'd like to see CO bring in a smaller jet into mainline. Although, can mainline outsource handling?
Anyone have a link as to how many RJ's are parked in the desert?
Drewwright From United States of America, joined May 2001, 621 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7844 times:
Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 15): CO is also looking at selling some of the EMB-145s that XJT flies
Fortunately, XJT has first right of refusal. In the unlikely event that XRs are removed from the fleet, I think XJT would choose to keep them...their performance is second to none among 50 seat jets.
More likely, CO will try to get rid of the 135s and 145ERs and XJT will be more than happy to see those go.
Furthermore, Republic has boldly stated that they intend to get out of the 50 seat market asap, so buying or leasing more 50 seaters would not make sense! More likely, CO will merge with UA, scope will go away, and RAH will be flying 70+ seaters for CO.
This would be in keeping with the topic at hand, undercutting in the industry. It is not limited to flight ops...ground ops are also affected. As long as someone exists that is willing to undercut another company, every single station will go from XJT to someone else. By paying meager wages, understaffing, and reducing quality control, the bottom feeders can certainly afford to underbid quality operations, and the airlines are more than happy to save a buck wherever they can. But let us see where this strategy is taking Mesa in the near future. Is cheaper better? Generally speaking, no.
ThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 692 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6387 times:
Quoting Chqiah (Reply 20): Inside info, not confirmed completely, COEX will be mainly CHQ (Republic) in IAH (which is a big XJT market) replacing our CRJ's with an all ERJ fleet. As far as the -170 goes I'm not sure.
I pretty much just read the thread title and skimmed the opening post, thinking that XJT was pulling out of these cities entirely. My apologies.
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 7): This has nothing to do with the regionals who fly the route. It's only about which company handles the airplane on the ground. For example, Comair here in TOL ground handles Delta flights operated by Comair, ASA, and CHQ.
"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
That's not CHQ's website, that's RW's website, there's a difference although we are all under Republic Airways. Well from what I hear at our new Line Base at IAH we will eventually phase out the CRJ's for all ERJ's and we have an AAR rep working with us, who is a good friend of mine, who either A. possibly will not have a job anymore if this happens, according to him because they don't do ERJ parts, or B. they will have to adapt. But now you have me curious and I'm checking the website.
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25 XJETFlyer: CO is screwing up folks. I will not use any CHQ or any other crappy regional company. CO better wake up and stop trying to save a few $$$$ by putting
26 Brons2: Not just this industry, but many others as well. I do not work in the aviation industry, but we have done our fair share of outsourcing as well. Ofte
27 CALMSP: well, when everyone is trying to cut costs...........eliminate RJ flying.............I doubt they will be with another carrier as soon as you think.
28 TOLtommy: Then that goes for you as well. No more non-refundable tickets. Do your part! Only purchase full coach fares from here out. Quit looking for the lowe
29 Drewwright: Sounds like you're getting your "inside info" from a junior flight attendant. CHQ barely runs an acceptable operation in IAH with the few planes it d
30 XJETFlyer: Who said I ever look for the cheapest fare? I usally fly f/class on CO and pay what the asking price is on regional. Do my part? It's the airlines jo
31 RL757PVD: Its be interesting with a place like LCH because AE nor NW flies there, though i think AE would be a good addition for them, maybe this will help
32 AeroMojo: I completely disagree with this. XJT is a failing product with their branded line and they've been milking the CO cow for years flying CO routes with
33 ThePinnacleKid: Their March load factor was up on the branded side to around 72%.... it's taking a while but moving in the right direction... especially since the dr
34 CHQIAH: That's pretty funny......a junior FA is the last person on earth I would seriously listen to regarding the status of a company. It doesn't really mat
35 Jumbojettim: First of all, the branded is failing because oil is at $117 a barrel. Tell me what airline that can post profits in today's environment. XJT has been
36 AgentXE1225: Several things to correct. 1)SYR not 1 of 1st 5. they are GSP, AVL, BHM, SAV, and TYS. 2)CO can't sell a/c that they don't have 1st dibs on. What they
37 AgentXE1225: By the way, XJT agents in MOST, not all outstations are cross-utilized. I work everywhere. Gate, counter, ramp, ops, bagroom, baggage service. Don't k
38 OMA2FAI2SAV: The Savannah Airport Commission is going to take the ground handling of CO/NW in Savannah now. They already are ground handling FL and have put bids i
39 XJET: This is true, but only for now. All RUMORS, and I stress RUMORS suggest that the new CPA negotiations call for eliminating XE's first right to refusa
40 AeroMojo: This is because those A/C are still owned by CO! As for everything else, what you say may be true for now but I dont think the branded will last. Sta
41 ThePinnacleKid: Not quite... they are owned by a bank... then the planes are leased to Continental.. then sub-leased by ExpressJet... they are XJet's aircraft and Co
42 Slider: Bingo. Wow, why make it personal? It's business, man. Good Lawd, you are dense. With $117/bbl oil, no one will pay more for a better product.
43 AeroMojo: All right, all right. Calm down. Your a little sensitive arent ya? Well at least I know your buttons lol.
44 XJET: There are a lot of us that are scared for our jobs and careers. It creates a little added stress. Things at XE, are.....iffy? Oh I love working in th
45 ThePinnacleKid: Huh? Spoken like a true bean counter.... heck... as Bethune once said: ''You can make a pizza so cheap, nobody will buy it'' -and- ''Have you ever se
46 FlyIGuy: IAD ground staff is handled by FSS but I don't know about the CS part...
47 CALMSP: bottom line.................I would not want to be employed by XJT right now.
48 Drewwright: Thanks for bringing those quotes into the mix and injecting a little old-fashioned business sense from a respected airline CEO. Continental has some
49 Toltommy: As you've said: So then I challenge you, and you state: Congrats on routinely flying F class. I suspect your clients love it. I hope they don't realiz
50 CALMSP: very well could be. however, thats not the topic at hand here.
51 AeroMojo: Sorry dude, I was really directing my angst at crews who are high on their pedestal. I can see where your coming from though. I feel for you guys!
52 AeroMojo: This is true we are all, in a way, expendable. It doesn't matter if your a Legacy or LCC. Or a Ramper or a pilot. If people dont fly, we all walk.
53 AeroMojo: It is mostly that Management in IAH treat their workers like indentured servant's!! You can live with the wages cause there are always Day Trades and
54 AgentXE1225: I know, right? But we have cut budgets across the board in every area that they can be cut. And, just for s***s and giggles, Jim and Chuck did a litt
55 XJET: Oh I here ya. I really think that CO thinks our crews are overpaid. Yeah we got the best contract in the country, but that isn't saying much at the r
56 Drewwright: Yeah, buddy! Bring on the next-gen ATR...one with better engines and a/c packs and I'll be all over that like white on rice!
57 XJETFlyer: I feel that the quality given by the professionals at XJET is great. I'm willing to pay good money for that. The incompetence of CO's lesser quality e
58 AgentXE1225: As an employee, I always love to hear that our product is liked. As far as quality goes, most of the grumbling I've heard was about Chautauqua-operat
59 CALMSP: can you name a station that is operated as a CHQ station please??
60 EssentialPowr: Like Independence or Great Planes? Short term "mini crisis relief" is hardly enough to sustain an airline. Where has that happened? Here is the issue
61 Co/ba: You are right FSS handles the ramp. Above wing is XE. They were broken the news last monday I believe. Told they were out in six months. Rumor has it
62 AgentXE1225: Now that you mention it, no. Apologies for my error and no ill will towards them. They are all just trying to do the same thing that I am, and with t
63 CHQIAH: Not IAH, we are a Line Base. Maybe STL......I really don't know.
64 IAD51FL: Conf Call the other day: Only 5 stations are on the official list.... AVL, GSP, SAV, TYS, BHM There has been no other "official" list put out by CO. X