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New Charleroi Ryanair Hub: Impact On SN / VEX / ..  
User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

As from April, Irish low cost airline Ryaniar will start flying from Charleroi Brussels South Airport (around 40 km from Brussels, capital of Belgium) to 6 new destinations: Pisa, Venice, Shannon, London, Stockholm, Carcasonne. This will supplement their current three daily flights to Dublin.

Belgium already has a so called low-fare airline, Virgin Express, though they never really had succes with the concept. They have had more losses than profits, and it seems that their costs are too high. They fly from Brssels main airport in Zaventem.

The question is, what will be the results fot carriers like Sabena and Virgin Express when Ryanair starts its flights. Ryanair only competes directly with Virgin Express on the route to London, but will be competing with Sabena on the routes to Venice, Dublin and Stockholm. What will be the impact on Sabena's load factors? How did it go in Ireland? Did Ryanair expanded the market with new passengers or did they steal a lot of passangers from Aer Lingus?
Let me know your opinion!!

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User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Dear Sndp

I posted a message a little while back http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/392985/ asking if anyone knew where the new hub would be. Many suggested Charleroi. I have not been able to confirm anything so far and would therefore be very interested to learn of the source of you information.


User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Ryanair has just denied that it has made a decision. They deny the reports in the press at the weekend. Knowing Ryaniar, I think that this is just another tactic for securing an even better deal from CRL than the one the airport thought that it had.

User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

It is indeed true that the news was not confirmed by Ryanair yet but by the minister of economics of Wallonia (the French part of Belgium). Ryanair was not very happy with the announcement and this afternoon we received the news that Ryanair has not yet decided that the new hub will be in BElgium. Stockholm, Beauvais and Frankdurt Hahn are still candidates. It can, however, be expected that Charleroi will be the ultimate winner, as it was confirmed by the minister. If not, he has made a big mistake. For Ryanair, it is not good that the news came out so early, as they are on the stock exchange market and that makes that they have to come out with information, for their shareholders. They have planned a press conference next tuesday, the 28th.

User currently offlineSwake From Belgium, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2386 times:

Brussels South Airport....
Like Ostend is Brussels West Airport? And Antwerp Brussels North?? Or is Antwerp Amsterdam South??
Ryanair has always been eager to market their network as connections between secondary non-congested 'big city' airports, and for good reason! Gives them full opportunity to make the fastest go-arounds in the industry, saves them from line-ups, thus assuring passengers reliable travel times... If only these secondary airports were somewhat closer to the metropoles they claim to fly to...
For this reason I don't expect Ryanair to really acquire some of SN's market share on the mentioned routes. Sabena being a classic airline aims for high yield busspax and therefore offers 4 to 5 daily connections departing from 10-20km remote from downtown airports (hence the Malpensacontrovesy involving several classic airlines) with good reliable inflight service. FR mainly attracts holidaymakers and citytrippers out for an overnight or a long weekend. That's the reason why they charge higher fares for weekend travel whereas classic airlines discount fares during the weekend. Industry analysts have long time ago come to the conclusion that no-frills airlines do not as much attack the big boys' market share but are creating new demand by attracting a public not preoccupied with tight personal schedules or hasslefree travel. The fatum of the late Debonair and the cloudy future for GoFly (and what about Virgin Express???) proove that you have to aim for one or the other. Board a Ryanair plane and see what I mean. So, happy landings FR, with a new market of people travelling now to the presumable destinations that otherwise, would, if ever, have gone by car.

User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2383 times:

CNN reports the airports under consideration were Pisa, Charleroi, Stockholm and Frankfurt Hahn.

Apparently new routes will be announced on Wednesday (new routes from where?) and the new Euro base will be announced next week.

Apparently, FR are looking to initially base 2 a/c at the new base, rising to 4 next year.

Sndp, I don't know about the success of FR in DUB, but I can tell you that they have been phenomenally successful in their operations from STN. FR consistently offer amongst the lowest air fares in the whole of Europe.

As far as I know, they haven't really dented BA's load factors, as BA specialise in flying pax in Euro Club class
and they operate from LHR, which is a completely different world to STN.

The demand for low fares is definitely there though, as we have been blessed with not one, but four major low fares airlines: Easyjet, Ryanair, Buzz and GO.

KLM have begun to drop some fares on the STN-AMS route, and midweek fares start at GBP59.

We are very lucky!!

User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Not all Ryanair flights operate to distant airports. Paris Beauvais is closer to Paris than Orly or CDG ! Some airports are ridiculously far away from the City that Ryanair advertises. The Stockholm flights operate to Norrköping which is probably 100km away from Stockholm. The other thing with Ryanair is that you can all too easily get excited about a £25 fare from London to wherever but then you have to spend £25 on the Stansted Express and then upto a similar amount at the other end to get to where you are going. It just doesn't work out cheap everytime. It also annoys me that they don't edvertise their fares as inclusive of tax as the law in the UK requires. They get around this by being based in Eire.

User currently offlineSwake From Belgium, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Couldn't agree with you more, Parra. But Paris Beauvais closer to Paris than Orly or CDG ???
from Ryanair's site :
Beauvais is 35 miles north west of Paris
from http://www.smartweb.fr/aero/ :
CDG 22km at the north of Paris
Orly 16km at the south of Paris

Debonair used to fly to Pontoise which is somewhat closer...

User currently offlineParra From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

I've gone and got mixed up with Le Bourget ! Doh !!!

User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Ryanair use Stavska (I think that's the spelling) for Stockholm, not as previously said on here, it's still a fair way out and a very dull ride.

The experience in the UK has been budget players attract roughly the same travellers as mainline airlines, with a bias towards the young, elderly and msmall - medium sized businesses, growing the market

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